ESPN: Should VC, T-Mac, A.I., Hill & Sheed Be In The H.O.F?

[dTox]

when looking at their actual achievements its hilarious that more of them think VC makes it than tmac

This and it's not even close.

TMac

7× NBA All-Star (2001–2007)
NBA Most Improved Player (2001)
2× NBA scoring champion (2003–2004)
2× All-NBA First Team (2002–2003)
3× All-NBA Second Team (2001, 2004, 2007)
2× All-NBA Third Team (2005, 2008)
USA Today High School Player of the Year (1997)

VC
NBA Rookie of the Year (1999)
8× NBA All-Star (2000–2007)
All-NBA Second Team (2001)
All-NBA Third Team (2000)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (1999)
NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion (2000)
Consensus NCAA All-American Second Team (1998)

People seem to be forgetting that this is the BASKETBALL Hall of Fame not the NBA.

Leaving out Carters Olympic accolades is stupid.

Also, Carter has single handily taken his team at least to the 2nd round, what the hell has Tmac ever done in the playoffs?

[D.Brasco]

Hill will get in due to his college years and only AI out of the rest should get in. Come on people wanting VC in "cuz he was teh best dunker"?

[Boogie!]

"Ethan Sherwood Strauss, HoopSpeak: Yes. He's the greatest dunker ever, and he happened to have a long, successful career doing a lot more than that. What went down in Toronto does not bother me. The guy didn't want to be stuck plying his trade in another country. I get it."

this part annoyed me a little bit. it's like he's saying "of course he should be in the hall of fame. he shouldn't be punished because he had to play his prime years in canada."

[Scase]

"Ethan Sherwood Strauss, HoopSpeak: Yes. He's the greatest dunker ever, and he happened to have a long, successful career doing a lot more than that. What went down in Toronto does not bother me. The guy didn't want to be stuck plying his trade in another country. I get it."

this part annoyed me a little bit. it's like he's saying "of course he should be in the hall of fame. he shouldn't be punished because he had to play his prime years in canada."

I read it more that he was saying Carter shouldn't have it held against him he was "stuck" in canada. Either way dick comment.

[UN-Owen]

Joe Dumars is in the Hall with a career PER of 15.3 and a career high of 18

Richmond's career PER is 17.6 with peak seasons of 21.6, 20.4 and 19.2

I hate the idea that what separates a Hall of Famer and a non Hall of Famer is whether or not they were lucky enough to play with some other future Hall of Famers


Everyone mentioned in this thread had a significantly better prime than Dumars

[Raps in 4]

VC for being the greatest dunker ever.

Iverson for being one of the best scorers ever.

TMac, Hill, and Sheed... I'm not so sure.

This.

[Troubadour]

Allen Iverson should be a first-ballot hall of famer. Hill, no. Vince Carter, T-Mac, maybe. Sheed, eventually.

[raptorscam]

A.I. has no business in this discussion. Advanced metrics notwithstanding the guy was one of the top couple of players in the league for a decade. He might've been a me-first player who didn't always help his team but he's one of the best me-first players there has ever been.

Not sure any of the others belong although I've heard in the past that Sheed is a guy who other players in the league consider to be an underrated, incredible player. I kinda like his candidacy for the exact opposite reason from Iverson. Seems like an awesome teammate who was good at so many things that I'd like to see him in even if the numbers don't support it. My instinct is to say "hell no" with Vince but it is easy to forget how many good seasons he had in NJ. He's still a "no" for me but he's closer than I thought he was the first time I heard this suggested...

[Raptors Aiya]

1. Is Vince Carter a Hall of Famer?

Ethan Sherwood Strauss, HoopSpeak: The guy didn't want to be stuck plying his trade in another country. I get it.

AY YO WHO THE **** IS THIS???

VINCE DIDNT LEAVE CUZ HE DIDNT WANT TO PLAY IN ANOTHER COUNTRY. GET YO F**KIN FACTS STRAIGHT YA NARROW MINDED AMERICAN BITCH MADE A**HOLE

Sorry for the cussing, that line just made me mad.

i mean "I GET IT"???

U don't "GET" s**t!!

[SDM]

AI is a lock. I'm lukewarm on the others, I can go either way, except Sheed who is in the Hall of Very Good.

[Raptors Aiya]

1. Is Vince Carter a Hall of Famer?

Ethan Sherwood Strauss, HoopSpeak: The guy didn't want to be stuck plying his trade in another country. I get it.

[Tommy Gun]

Also, Carter has single handily taken his team at least to the 2nd round, what the hell has Tmac ever done in the playoffs?

LOL@ Carter single handedly taking his team to the 2nd round. Is that a joke?? Davis averaged 16/12 that series and Boogie was huge too. VC fans always try to re-write the history of that series. VC had a decent series - 23 PPG on 37% shooting with a few big games. But in now way did he single handedly win that series

The same supporting cast next year went on a huge run WITHOUT VC at the end of the year and pushed the Pistons to the last second of the series. VC had a very good supporting cast that was a perfect fit for his skills

[Raptors Aiya]

1. Is Vince Carter a Hall of Famer?

Ethan Sherwood Strauss, HoopSpeak: The guy didn't want to be stuck plying his trade in another country. I get it.

[Homer Jay]

T.Mac, A.I., and VC have ruined their legacies so much while Kobe is still in the League playing with the best of them.

Thats how you know who really works hard in the off season.

I would still put VC in the HOF just because you can't ignore that type of talent.

T.Mac and A.I playing in China kind of tarnishes their reputation.

Not to be a cheerleader but VC is older than both Kobe and T-Mac and is still putting up 12.5 points per game in 23 minutes with an above average PER. He is one of the top 5 6th men in the NBA and a darkhorse candidate for 6th man of the year. I don't think he's 'ruined' his legacy at all.....

Agreed. VC remade himself as a different player once his athleticism disappeared. That is something not a lot of players do. He's going to be 37 when this season is over, an age when most guys are retired, yet he still looks like he can play another 2-3 years. I never would have pegged him for that type of career. Most guys who rely on athleticism are done before 35.

[bape_lovers]

I say sheed...coz he actually helped his team to get the finals and only player there with a ring..

[orbesnet]

love to see one of T-Mac of VC get in and not the other... let the rivalry continue! (green font)

Iverson is a show-in.

[team edward]

If Vince had spent his entire career in Toronto he would make the HOF.

Loyal face of the franchise for an entire country, rather than what he is perceived to be.

Babcock f'ed it all up for everyone.

[Mattsanity]

AI is the only one with a lock on the HOF. He won season MVP.

[LLJ]

"Ethan Sherwood Strauss, HoopSpeak: Yes. He's the greatest dunker ever, and he happened to have a long, successful career doing a lot more than that. What went down in Toronto does not bother me. The guy didn't want to be stuck plying his trade in another country. I get it."

this part annoyed me a little bit. it's like he's saying "of course he should be in the hall of fame. he shouldn't be punished because he had to play his prime years in canada."

If you read the comments for the article, the fans killed Strauss for being the most idiotic guy on this survey. VC left because we sucked, not because we were "in another country".

[lobosloboslobos]

SO VC getting a gold medal in the olympics on an ultra-stacked team that could not possibly lose is a huge deal worth entry into HOF?
VC making it to the 2nd round of the playoffs is a huge deal worth entry into HOF?
VC 'reinventing himself' as a decent all-around player once he had flamed out as a superstar is a huge deal worth entry into HOF?

smh

I'll give you that he could deserve consideration because he was arguably the most spectacular dunker ever, but (tragically) nothing else he did comes close to being deserving of that honor. T-Mac was twice the top scorer in the league. VC was once the 10th scorer in the league. Tmac was 1st or 2nd all-NBA 5 times, VC was 2nd all-NBA once. Don't those strike you as rather extreme differences?

EDIT: I know I seem like a hater who doesn't appreciate what VC did for the Raps, but it ain't so. I watched most games he played in a Raps uniform and cheered myself hoarse for him over and over. But you don't make the hall of fame (or shouldn't) for being briefly youthfully great followed by the extended adult reality of being variously very good, good, decent and lame.