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speedythief wrote:We sucked long before Bargnani, Junior. He's only been around for a minute, and he's only been a focal point of the team for a few seconds.

Ilmago_Bargs7 wrote:So now Bargs is blamed for everything-?? lol... so now i have to forget Jose's years of atrocious defence, no i have to forget that we havent had a true SF in a while, etc, etc...???

Hero wrote:We need to find the worst situation for him and trade him there. Imo Lakers. No way he can handle the pressure and the fans are way more ruthless, as is the media.

talksick wrote:Love it, Bargs is being whipped for saying they are the worst team in the NBA and Casey is being made fun of in the other thread for saying the Raps aren't. People make up your mind.

Hero wrote:We need to find the worst situation for him and trade him there. Imo Lakers. No way he can handle the pressure and the fans are way more ruthless, as is the media.

two5 wrote:

speedythief wrote:We sucked long before Bargnani, Junior. He's only been around for a minute, and he's only been a focal point of the team for a few seconds.

've watched this team play since I was 10 years old. We had a few awful years after Vince, but Bosh was very capable of getting us many playoff years.

If Bargnani was so talented and great, why couldn't he help us get in the playoffs or even suceed as Bosh's Robin?

The guy got to play with a star big man in Bosh, for many years, who now is the second best player on the best team in the world

Ilmago_Bargs7 wrote:So now Bargs is blamed for everything-?? lol... so now i have to forget Jose's years of atrocious defence, no i have to forget that we havent had a true SF in a while, etc, etc...???

kplooksafterme wrote:Even though Bargnani may be right that this is the worst team in the NBA, and assuming that nothing was lost or gained in translation, his comments are really a slap in the face to his team-mates. Saying the Raptors are the worst team in the NBA without specifying that you're just talking about the results and not necessarily the quality of players on the team is like saying your team-mates are garbage. This might be true, but you can't say stuff like this publicly and still expect to get along with your team.

two5 wrote:

speedythief wrote:Unfortunately the Raptors are a miserable franchise. I actually don't blame Bargs for saying what he said, in a moment where he felt he could express himself without the atrocious and desperate sports media in Toronto castigating him. In a sense I agree with him--it seems like no franchise bottoms-out every year like we do. We don't just get into skids, we bust through the bottom of the barrel pretty much every season. It's extremely discouraging to be a fan of a franchise that is consistently devoid of creativity, audacity, and common sense. All that being said, Bargs is the de facto leader of the team and he is out of line saying that, if he's been quoted correctly and in context. It's a defeatist statement and if we really are committed to a "winning culture" within the club (questionable at the top) he's not on board with that and he needs to suck it up and make up for it or find a new place to ply his trade.

This reason why this franchise is so miserable is due to Bargnani. I mean the guy has just been a burden on this franchise ever since after his rookie season.

He got to play with a star player in Bosh, being spoonfed open and good looks and the guy still sucked. Both offensively and defensively.

He's the common denominator.

Go look at Bosh now, second best player on a championship/dynasty capable team. You want to tell me the fault lies in the talents of other guys?

Even alongside talented players, he's bad. The guy is just a big 7 foot, overglorified Al Harrington