Alfred wrote:Larry Tanenbaum really seems to have Bryan's back for some reason.
BC is a company guy.
Weren't there rumors that BC might take over Peddie's job after he retired?
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Alfred wrote:Larry Tanenbaum really seems to have Bryan's back for some reason.
lucky777s wrote:MLSE may also be worried that the season could get even worse, like DEAD LAST by a mile and want to save their one big move, FIRING BC, for such a time when the fans are really revolting.
They may not understand that dumping him now will give them more breathing room and just the idea of the new GM search will keep fans attentions well enough. They can blame all the teams woes on BC, and in this case that would even be the truth so there is no risk of backlash.
In so many words, basically you still believe in BC and think that if he where to be fired, he would just be a "fall guy" for MLSE ... the company who agreed upon the evaluation that Hedo is worth 50 mil/ 5 years, Jose at 40 mil, Bargs extended for 50 mil during his rookie contract etc... they believed in him, nobody would blame them at this point for firing BC.ballocks wrote:I may be alone 'round these parts but I'm glad. I'd give BC the rest of this season to see what he can do. I question several of his major moves but I always wonder what the background is when it comes to this team. I'd prefer not to give MLSE another fall guy. If the problem is systemic (or rather, 'organic' lol) to the organization, I wouldn't want any fans fooled by simply bringing another pawn in the game. I'm wary of using anyone as a scapegoat at this point; I'm more worried by how Colangelo's efforts seem to parallel Babcock's and Grunwald's before him, than I am that he's unqualified for the job per se.
Also, BC has proven to be relatively adept on the trade front. If this team is forced to move Bargnani now (arguably at his lowest point) due to immense public pressure, I do have some confidence in BC's ability to parlay value from him. You might question his strategy or vision, but he has on multiple occasions rescued his own errors. The community complains about Turkoglu to this day, for example, but Colangelo managed to get out from under that contract after just one season- and turned him into Barbosa, who was more than serviceable here. Why are we complaining about five years when we only 'suffered' for one? I don't know. But we do.
Likewise, he gets a bad rap for Kapono but... he ultimately flipped him for Reggie. Maybe he doesn't acquire the right players in the first place, that's certainly a point to be made since his FA record is atrocious, but he's skilled at moving them before they ultimately die here, which is equally important- if not more so... especially if you're talking about a player like Bargnani now, who finds himself immersed in a desperate situation, and fits the same category to a large extent.
I might as well keep popping and go out with a bang- or a thud . I have no problems with the JO deal, either. TJ and Rasho were spent, so what are we really talking about here? Critics can berate Colangelo for Hibbert but it's a stretch to me- at worst it's not a trade issue, but a draft issue. You can complain about one, but not both. To say that he traded away a future All-Star for Jermaine O'Neal is a fractured argument imo, since Hibbert was never on the table for them. JO was indeed a "swing and a miss" but the alternative was hardly better, so I can't justify the criticism- at least not on that basis.
And not to be forgotten, I strongly feel he engineered one of the most overlooked Ripley's Believe it or Not trades in history by dumping Hoffa for Hump. I don't understand how we got anything for Hoffa- there was basically just one suitor that would even consider taking a flier due to his Brigham Young ties, and not only did Colangelo consummate the deal, he managed to return a half-decent young piece from the same lottery (!). In fact, you could argue that BC got more for Rafael Araujo than Babcock got for Vince. Just saying. I mean, BC takes a lot of flack for bidding against himself at times, and rightfully so, but I should hope the same holds true in Utah with Kevin O'Connor and other GMs around the league when they take the same bait.
Either way, I want to give Colangelo a final chance to see what he can do on the trade market with Bargnani, and then judge him from there. This team can ill afford to lose Bargs for nothing and Colangelo, like it or not, has proven that he can sometimes make chicken salad under duress. But the clock is ticking, no doubt. Bargnani's injury- assuming it's legit- is not helping the cause.
GooniesNeverDie wrote:it's time to escalate our cause.. it's time to distribute flyers and make our voices be heard. bc needs to go
Beardman wrote:In so many words, basically you still believe in BC and think that if he where to be fired, he would just be a "fall guy" for MLSE ... the company who agreed upon the evaluation that Hedo is worth 50 mil/ 5 years, Jose at 40 mil, Bargs extended for 50 mil during his rookie contract etc... they believed in him, nobody would blame them at this point for firing BC.
ballocks wrote:Beardman wrote:In so many words, basically you still believe in BC and think that if he where to be fired, he would just be a "fall guy" for MLSE ... the company who agreed upon the evaluation that Hedo is worth 50 mil/ 5 years, Jose at 40 mil, Bargs extended for 50 mil during his rookie contract etc... they believed in him, nobody would blame them at this point for firing BC.
I think you missed the point, brother. Yes, he signed Turkoglu to a 5/53- but he got out from under it almost as soon as possible. Hedo's albatross is not on the books anymore. Why are we complaining about a deal that we're not paying for? Hell, we got a pretty good player on a decent contract out of it (Leandro)? That's a rabbit out of a hat as far as I'm concerned. I can''t explain it- and it doesn't mean that I do or don't endorse the terms of the original contract- but he's demonstrated that he can save himself a few times. If that's not Turkoglu's market value anymore, that's fine, but you need to take Phoenix up on it as well... not to mention Orlando. Colangelo isn't the only one to sign off on that contract over the past 3.5 years.
When it comes to Bargnani, dude, I never thought he was worth that money myself- but there were people here and in the Toronto media, the same ones ostracizing him today, who thought he was a bargain (their word, not mine) as recently as two months ago! I'm not saying he's worth 5/50 right now or that he ever was, but he is the same guy. I mean, are we complaining about that contract just because he went into... a slump? It's unbelievable what's going on these days. Let's make sure we're not putting our collective foot in our mouth vis a vis how we felt about these exact same things just a few months back.
And for the record, I've never been a Bargnani (or even for that matter Colangelo) fan, but seeing people hop from one bandwagon to the next rubs me the wrong way. If we're going to criticize BC for something, let's at least ensure we're not contradicting ourselves in the process. That's all. I have yet to see a reasonable argument as to why he should be fired now- right. now.- as opposed to two weeks ago, two years ago, or two months or years from now. It just seems like some fans are losing their minds trying to find someone to blame. It's very much like CB in 2010. You had fans calling for his head, let him walk for nothing and all kinds of other nonsense- and here we are 3 years later still trying to sift through the wreckage. If you're going to get rid of someone, you need to make sure that you do it on the right terms and at the right time. If you do it as part of an emotional outburst, chances are you'll regret it. \Yoda
Jer15Jer wrote:I'll be the voice of the minority. I think Bryan is still the man for the job.
I think he brings great leadership to the organization and I believe in him as a GM.
No, he hasn't been flawless but he's certainly had a lot of bad luck.