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Posted: **Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:36 pm**

ballocks wrote:
Beardman wrote:In so many words, basically you still believe in BC and think that if he where to be fired, he would just be a "fall guy" for MLSE ... the company who agreed upon the evaluation that Hedo is worth 50 mil/ 5 years, Jose at 40 mil, Bargs extended for 50 mil during his rookie contract etc... they believed in him, nobody would blame them at this point for firing BC.

I think you missed the point, brother. Yes, he signed Turkoglu to a 5/53- but he got out from under it almost as soon as possible. Hedo's albatross is not on the books anymore. Why are we complaining about a deal that we're not paying for? Hell, we got a pretty good player on a decent contract out of it (Leandro)? That's a rabbit out of a hat as far as I'm concerned. I can''t explain it- and it doesn't mean that I do or don't endorse the terms of the original contract- but he's demonstrated that he can save himself a few times. If that's not Turkoglu's market value anymore, that's fine, but you need to take Phoenix up on it as well... not to mention Orlando. Colangelo isn't the only one to sign off on that contract over the past 3.5 years.

When it comes to Bargnani, dude, I never thought he was worth that money myself- but there were people here and in the Toronto media, the same ones ostracizing him today, who thought he was a bargain (their word, not mine) as recently as two months ago! I'm not saying he's worth 5/50 right now or that he ever was, but he is the same guy. I mean, are we complaining about that contract just because he went into... a slump? It's unbelievable what's going on these days. Let's make sure we're not putting our collective foot in our mouth vis a vis how we felt about these exact same things just a few months back.

And for the record, I've never been a Bargnani (or even for that matter Colangelo) fan, but seeing people hop from one bandwagon to the next rubs me the wrong way. If we're going to criticize BC for something, let's at least ensure we're not contradicting ourselves in the process. That's all. I have yet to see a reasonable argument as to why he should be fired now- right. now.- as opposed to two weeks ago, two years ago, or two months or years from now. It just seems like some fans are losing their minds trying to find someone to blame. It's very much like CB in 2010. You had fans calling for his head, let him walk for nothing and all kinds of other nonsense- and here we are 3 years later still trying to sift through the wreckage. If you're going to get rid of someone, you need to make sure that you do it on the right terms and at the right time. If you do it as part of an emotional outburst, chances are you'll regret it. \Yoda

peace

Regardless to whether or not he '"fixed" his previous mistakes, he still continues to make them.

He has signed off on at least 200 million in bad contracts. The likes of Kapono, Kleiza, Fields etc. He has nothing to show for any of it. Signing players to atrocious deals and then floundering to move them the following off season is a bad thing, but somehow you make it seem like he should be applauded for doing so ...

Posted: **Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:41 pm**

Ballocks, for all his great fixes there are 3 undeniable truths:

1. We never end up with anything good long term from all his efforts.

2. He throws away first round picks to clear up many of his mistakes.

3. Making a big mistake and then just erasing it only accomplishes wasting another year of Raptor basketball, no progress is made.

Getting Hump was a nice trade, but where is he now? He never helped us much. What did Barbosa do for us? And don't forget that Hedo had to eat a year of his deal just to get out of town. BC is very, very lucky that Hedo wanted out badly enough to do that - not many players would. I liked Reggie Evans but where is he now, not here. James Johnson, Bayless, Weems - nothing for any of them. Its a revolving door.

When Babs signed Rafer to a big deal and it failed he immediately turned Rafer into the expiring Mike James. Now that was a good trade. We probably could have re-signed him to a reasonable deal and used Charlie V to fill another hole or not draft Bargs to fill that other hole.

Posted: **Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:51 pm**

Seems like Grange wrote the article after an extensive off the record convo with BC

Re: Getting a saviour - We need Wiggins to emphatically say he only wants to play here in order to draft him. Otherwise it just aint happening.

Posted: **Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:51 pm**

RE: (page 3):

...****!

Posted: **Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:01 pm**

Can't wait to see BC get a corporate promotion for the embarrassment he's made of this team in the last 7 years. FML

Posted: **Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:05 pm**

What will it take for this moron to be fired? This team is just a mess from top to bottom.

Posted: **Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:07 pm**

Rhettmatic wrote:
"You can't come in and move Colangelo, not right now," said one source with knowledge of ownership's thinking. "For one thing, who is telling you to move him? Who makes that decision? They are prepared to weather the storm right now until they can get someone in there that can recommend the path they need to take, one way or the other. You need someone there that can give ownership that insight, you can't panic."

Basically, no one on the "board" has the balls to do anything, and I wouldn't doubt that it's because none of those guys follow the NBA or understand the game. I bet it's a major part of the reason why BC gets away with making such horrible moves.

Inaction is such a big problem with this team. People are just now debating things that at the very latest should have been done a year or two ago. Waited for BC to screw over the team in the off-season, now are trying to trade Bargnani/Calderon when their value is at an all-time low. This is why bad teams stay bad.

Posted: **Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:24 pm**

Great article from Grange. It read like equal parts dare and advice to management.

Posted: **Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:48 pm**

What a terrible **** article. Has anyone ever expressed less while writing so much?

Posted: **Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:06 am**

Grange driving the Wiggins tank! Hope he has some listeners within the upper echelons of MLSE

Posted: **Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:54 am**

Brinbe wrote:Grange driving the Wiggins tank! Hope he has some listeners within the upper echelons of MLSE

wishful thinking. MLSE is making money, to them they don't need to change a thing! Bryan and Bargs will be here next year to push for 10th.

Posted: **Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:05 am**

nonc wrote:
Brinbe wrote:Grange driving the Wiggins tank! Hope he has some listeners within the upper echelons of MLSE

wishful thinking. MLSE is making money, to them they don't need to change a thing! Bryan and Bargs will be here next year to push for 10th.

Don't forget Jose too! All of them, here forever!

Posted: **Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:21 am**

Of FFS.

Posted: **Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:22 am**

Reasons why BC wont get fired, Tanenbaum has a lot of political power and is a close associate of Jerry Colangelo, BC is Larry's boy. The team is not paying the lux tax and is making a killing on merchandise and attendance that alone ensures BC's job security, bottomline. So as much as we like him gone, it aint happening as this is still a business and BC is the ultimate corporate mouthpiece.

Posted: **Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:24 am**

Vote of confidence. Perfect!

So long BC.

Posted: **Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:26 am**

This shouldn't be news to anyone... We all knew MLSE would wait until the end of the season no matter what happens.

Posted: **Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:54 am**

Still not sure why we hired Stefanski. I've always thought it was B.C hiring a figure head to do negotiations, handle contracts, etc, since he was readily overpaying guys left and right. Then the Fields signing...

If we end up having B.C as a lame duck GM with Ed or Embry in charge of the draft, etc. It will be a bad situation. Hopefully this means MLSE is just looking for candidates. They better get their act together.

Posted: **Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:27 am**

He will get another contract. But with a significant pay cut. As long as the raps turn a decent profit MLSE won't care. But when that happens I'll quit supporting the team. I'd never thought that would be a possibility.

Posted: **Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:01 am**

I highly doubt it. The "accelerated rebuild" is an unmitigated disaster. Now BC is forcing the full monty rebuild onto MLSE by default which is something they are averse to doing. He will pay the ultimate price for that one. There is no Lear Jet to go flying in or Wayne Gretzky video presentations to pitch when they are accumulating entry level drafted assets. MLSE without the dog and pony show is just not the same fun loving MLSE.

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