yardbarker

PG: Raptors establish a winning culture

Moderators: Yuri Vaultin, tsherkin, Alfred, FluLikeSymptoms, Rhettmatic, itbobby007, Undefeated, DG88, Morris_Shatford

Post#181 Re: PG: Raptors establish a winning culture
Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:20 am by Dalek

wootwoot wrote:Nice to see the team playing better the last 2 games. More teamwork shown on both ends of the floor than in previous games. Mavericks played badly tonight, but that is not the only reason we won. We have faced other teams this season that have played badly and still beaten us easily.

Positives I take from the past two games are better teamwork/chemistry, better production from bench, better pace for the team (Run and gun B-ball is not advisable for a team with poor individual defending guards. I think this team is built for a slower pace where running happens only off of open-court & top-of-key turnovers - the slower pace allows you to limit turnovers and long rebounds where half your team is still running towards the opponent's basket, which in turn allows you to set up your defense so you can defend as a team instead of having 1 or 2 individuals back on D), and having the team's best performing players (this season) on the court for significant minutes together. This team will still struggle against more talented teams who play well, but if they play together like they have the last 2 games, their winning percentage will go up.

Also, it was really fun for me to see T-Ross & Demar on the fast break together a few times tonight!


Casey ball should be low turnover, grind it out basketball. It is why I favour us using more low postscoring if we make a trade. Someone like Luis Scola/Millsap would be ideal, but maybe Ed Davis can play the role.
Dalek

Veteran
User avatar
Posts: 2,555
And1: 463
Joined: Jan 24, 2005
Location: The Paint
Top

Post#182 Re: PG: Raptors establish a winning culture
Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:26 am by Gntts

niQ wrote:
ROBBS wrote:


Niiice. Loved it!


I did not hope that Demar would ever pass the ball while driving to the basket. Glad to see him sharing the ball a lot yesterday. The pass to TRoss was not the only one he did make in the situations in which he was almost never passing earlier this year. It is good for the team.
Gntts
Sophomore
Posts: 171
And1: 84
Joined: Nov 1, 2012
Top

Post#183 Re: PG: Raptors establish a winning culture
Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:36 am by fredericklove

Choker wrote:
JJ From Deep wrote:Wow at whoever called Amy Fay average...LOL


That's not her is it? Her boobs are bigger than that and she's a lot thicker. Kind of hard to tell. Funny that I actually know her too lol


It's her, her original source says Amy Fay. Very very average looking I guess :lol:
fredericklove



Banned User
Posts: 24,573
And1: 6,390
Joined: Nov 12, 2009
Location: Toronto Raptors Playoffs Trauma Treatment Center
Top

Post#184 Re: PG: Raptors establish a winning culture
Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:17 am by fabste

JJ From Deep wrote:Wow at whoever called Amy Fay average...LOL


For italian standards she IS average :wink:
fabste
Banned User
Posts: 822
And1: 7
Joined: Mar 1, 2007
Top

Post#185 Re: PG: Raptors establish a winning culture
Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:57 am by Choker

fredericklove wrote:It's her, her original source says Amy Fay. Very very average looking I guess :lol:


Dang she's changed a lot since I've last seen her. Lowkey heard she's been getting caught up in that stardom life that would cause one to lose a lot of weight in a short amount of time ahem.
WallWithTheDime wrote:To all you canadian bitches how about you do **** in the playoffs then talk......You guys are getting so **** lucky if i see one of you pricks in public I will break you in half
Choker

RealGM
User avatar
Posts: 37,068
And1: 11,329
Joined: Aug 18, 2006
Location: Long Beach, California
Top

Post#186 Re: PG: Raptors establish a winning culture
Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:21 am by J-Roc

There was a painful period in yesterday's game where the Raps were jacking up long range shots, or bad shots, and luckily getting offensive rebounds. Then Kleiza hits a ridiculously deep three. And Jack Armstrong tells us this is Dwane Casey "grind it out" basketball. Sad.
Image
J-Roc




RealGM
User avatar
Posts: 30,048
And1: 3,254
Joined: Aug 2, 2008
Location: Sunnyvale
Top

Post#187 Re: PG: Raptors establish a winning culture
Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:49 am by theonlyeastcoastrapsfan

Basketball_Jones wrote:but...but...I thought we needed space in order to win. I'm confused.

Well, this game doesn't disprove that does it? We took out a Val and played Linas to provide spacing, that busted their zone and we pulled away. If you want to make the anti Bargs point not sure pointing to spacing is the way because every game since Casey is trying to find away to get spacing from the four.

I know so much is going to go on Bargs, but to me moving the ball and trusting team mates better doesn't sound like Barg's issues as much as the other absentee "star".

Also Jonas has potential, but really all this year has been about giving him experience, which is fine, and I'm glad he's getting a free pass, but he's not really giving us much, and really hasn't all year.

Sent from my BlackBerry 9810 using Tapatalk
theonlyeastcoastrapsfan
RealGM
User avatar
Posts: 17,701
And1: 1,573
Joined: Mar 14, 2006
Location: Hotlantic Canada
Top

Post#188 Re: PG: Raptors establish a winning culture
Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:57 am by theonlyeastcoastrapsfan

I was really impressed with DeRozan, he hit some tough shot when the team needed it and the gsame was in the balance. Down the stretch we got hot (LK) from 3 and pulled away but until the I thought DeMar had come out and put the team on his back. Made a statement.

I was impressed with Jose, who was big tonight. Have to thing the Mavs would love to have him.

Of course Ross has a solid 2nd Quarter, kind of fell in love with it abit, but overall strong game, and of couse Linas got hot from 3.

The team played together on both ends though and I think most of all that's the difference.

Was funny after all the BC Focus hating to hear Cases interviews duirng the game, where he essentially echoed the sentiments.



Sent from my BlackBerry 9810 using Tapatalk
theonlyeastcoastrapsfan
RealGM
User avatar
Posts: 17,701
And1: 1,573
Joined: Mar 14, 2006
Location: Hotlantic Canada
Top

Post#189 Re: PG: Raptors establish a winning culture
Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:58 am by Illuminati_

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:
Basketball_Jones wrote:but...but...I thought we needed space in order to win. I'm confused.

Well, this game doesn't disprove that does it? We took out a Val and played Linas to provide spacing, that busted their zone and we pulled away. If you want to make the anti Bargs point not sure pointing to spacing is the way because every game since Casey is trying to find away to get spacing from the four.

I know so much is going to go on Bargs, but to me moving the ball and trusting team mates better doesn't sound like Barg's issues as much as the other absentee "star".

Also Jonas has potential, but really all this year has been about giving him experience, which is fine, and I'm glad he's getting a free pass, but he's not really giving us much, and really hasn't all year.

Sent from my BlackBerry 9810 using Tapatalk



"but but but...spacing" posters who keep repeating this just make themselves look ignorant daily. Like mentioned above why in the world was Linas subbed in? When you have two big man with no mid range game to speak of yet alone one that stretches to 25 feet out howin the world will demar operate? All a team has to do is collapse on the entire team and we all know Demar cant shoot 15 feet out.

but but but....lol its a simple concept.
Illuminati_
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,808
And1: 258
Joined: Oct 31, 2009
Top

Post#190 Re: PG: Raptors establish a winning culture
Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:33 am by Nothingface

The real question is, are we better without Bargnani, or are we better without Lowry.

The team rarely looks cohesive with Lowry at the helm...
I do what I feel, not because people ask me to do this,” Bargnani says, holding his hands over his head and doing a strange chicken dance.
Nothingface
Assistant Coach
User avatar
Posts: 4,322
And1: 8
Joined: Jan 6, 2006
Location: Spinward Marches
Top

Post#191 Re: PG: Raptors establish a winning culture
Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:12 am by Indeed

Basketball_Jones wrote:but...but...I thought we needed space in order to win. I'm confused.


Kleiza is the stretch big. If you didn't watch the game, you may want to read the comments here.
As people said above, our system needs a stretch big, 3 point shooting, passing and defense. Ross is a big part of it. However, I agree with someone that our offense relies on Kleiza will not be consistent. And our defense is good, but few of them are unforced error. Also, Dallas is a small team, Marion is their PF with Brand in the middle.

A win is a win, so perhaps we will look forward and see if our offense and defense can maintain.
Indeed
RealGM
User avatar
Posts: 12,472
And1: 393
Joined: Aug 20, 2009
Top

Post#192 Re: PG: Raptors establish a winning culture
Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:14 am by mirrornick

bape_lovers wrote:so we won every game that you created GT? :o

mirrornick wrote:Oh boy I might get banned. I'm 5-1 this season and preseason when I make a game thread.

Sorry folks . I will not create another GT this year


Nope, most of the wins were in preseason.
mirrornick

Banned User
Posts: 12,009
And1: 5,102
Joined: Jul 8, 2009
Location: Markham
Top

Post#193 Re: PG: Raptors establish a winning culture
Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:17 am by Choker

Nothingface wrote:The real question is, are we better without Bargnani, or are we better without Lowry.

The team rarely looks cohesive with Lowry at the helm...


Even with cohesiveness we would still have an abundance of problems.
WallWithTheDime wrote:To all you canadian bitches how about you do **** in the playoffs then talk......You guys are getting so **** lucky if i see one of you pricks in public I will break you in half
Choker

RealGM
User avatar
Posts: 37,068
And1: 11,329
Joined: Aug 18, 2006
Location: Long Beach, California
Top

Post#194 Re: PG: Raptors establish a winning culture
Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:19 am by Indeed

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:
Basketball_Jones wrote:but...but...I thought we needed space in order to win. I'm confused.

Well, this game doesn't disprove that does it? We took out a Val and played Linas to provide spacing, that busted their zone and we pulled away. If you want to make the anti Bargs point not sure pointing to spacing is the way because every game since Casey is trying to find away to get spacing from the four.

I know so much is going to go on Bargs, but to me moving the ball and trusting team mates better doesn't sound like Barg's issues as much as the other absentee "star".

Also Jonas has potential, but really all this year has been about giving him experience, which is fine, and I'm glad he's getting a free pass, but he's not really giving us much, and really hasn't all year.

Sent from my BlackBerry 9810 using Tapatalk


Yes, Bargnani has became like Bosh, a black hole who only look for his shot. This is why I turn away from Bosh.
I thought I would give Bargnani a year for him to adjust, since he showed in his rookie year, he is a willing passer, but I guess the time has came, and we cannot afford someone to think "me first". We cannot have "I need to make shot", "I need to get into rhythm", "I need to stop my man scoring efficiently", and etc. It should be "the team needs to make shot", "the team needs to get into rhythm", "the team needs to stop the other team scoring efficiently", and etc.
Indeed
RealGM
User avatar
Posts: 12,472
And1: 393
Joined: Aug 20, 2009
Top

Post#195 Re: PG: Raptors establish a winning culture
Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:24 am by Choker

Although Linas and Ross were the huge boosters for us that won the game, Ed Davis' decision making was what was helping us stay in it initially before those above mentioned two broke out. There are a lot of problems on this team and not having a legit inside presence who could make decisions is one of them. Hypothetically DeRozan is one of those options but he's not a good decision maker though.

Davis has been a huge bright spot for this team.
WallWithTheDime wrote:To all you canadian bitches how about you do **** in the playoffs then talk......You guys are getting so **** lucky if i see one of you pricks in public I will break you in half
Choker

RealGM
User avatar
Posts: 37,068
And1: 11,329
Joined: Aug 18, 2006
Location: Long Beach, California
Top

Post#196 Re: PG: Raptors establish a winning culture
Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:32 am by BorisDK1

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote: Well, this game doesn't disprove that does it? We took out a Val and played Linas to provide spacing, that busted their zone and we pulled away. If you want to make the anti Bargs point not sure pointing to spacing is the way because every game since Casey is trying to find away to get spacing from the four.

The anti-Bargnani viewpoint becomes clear when you realize that it was our defense (coupled with their inability to shoot) that won us that game. Our offensive efficiency was mediocre, and Kleiza didn't exactly provide "spacing": he just made wide-open shots that he usually misses, which Dallas was content to let him try. (How could he be said to create space if he were wide open?)
I know so much is going to go on Bargs, but to me moving the ball and trusting team mates better doesn't sound like Barg's issues as much as the other absentee "star".

Did you watch the third quarter, when their zone offense completely fell apart with Jose at the helm? When Ed Davis had Vince Carter sealed behind him on the right block (opening up the left jump hook, obviously) for three consecutive possessions with Jose with the ball in his hands at the top of the 3 point arc, only for the ball to be stationary-dribbled and then thrown to the wing to a contested player?

I know this board hates point guards who score, no matter how efficiently, but to make this game into an anti-Lowry standpoint is probably not going to work in your favour.

Actually, making this past game an anti- or pro-anybody for any ideas greater than this single game is probably wrong-headed. We had major issues in terms of execution and awareness, but made just enough shots on a night where Dallas couldn't hit sand if they threw off a camel.

OTOH, Amir Johnson played a spectacular defensive game. He deserves some props.

I do agree about your point about Jonas, though.
BorisDK1
Assistant Coach
User avatar
Posts: 4,278
And1: 224
Joined: Jul 4, 2010
Top

Post#197 Re: PG: Raptors establish a winning culture
Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:44 am by Basketball_Jones

Sorry folks, didn't watch the game. It was joke rather then a serious analysis type of thing. So was Kleiza actually playing power forward, with Davis/Amir manning center? None the less, I think the spacing thing is overrated when you factor in how bad the defense has been this season. Defense will win more games in the long run. Spacing can be solved later on, but you shouldn't have to sacrifice defense and rebounding for it.
T-Ross the Boss wrote:Still scratching my head @ Aaron Gray 20 minutes

When he got the ball he was horrified, like someone shot his family.
Basketball_Jones
RealGM
Posts: 13,726
And1: 1,165
Joined: Mar 9, 2004
Top

Post#198 Re: PG: Raptors establish a winning culture
Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:45 am by Choker

Terrence Ross highlights



I may be the only person that sees him as a great sub off the bench. Not saying he's not starter material, but looking at other subs he could really provide a boost similar to theirs in the near future. Like current J.R. Smith, who's actually playing defense and passing the ball.
WallWithTheDime wrote:To all you canadian bitches how about you do **** in the playoffs then talk......You guys are getting so **** lucky if i see one of you pricks in public I will break you in half
Choker

RealGM
User avatar
Posts: 37,068
And1: 11,329
Joined: Aug 18, 2006
Location: Long Beach, California
Top

Post#199 Re: PG: Raptors establish a winning culture
Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:51 am by fredericklove

Choker wrote:
fredericklove wrote:It's her, her original source says Amy Fay. Very very average looking I guess :lol:


Dang she's changed a lot since I've last seen her. Lowkey heard she's been getting caught up in that stardom life that would cause one to lose a lot of weight in a short amount of time ahem.


Ah well forget Amy I'm looking at your Shay GIF right now. She and Troian rank pretty high on my list 8-)
fredericklove



Banned User
Posts: 24,573
And1: 6,390
Joined: Nov 12, 2009
Location: Toronto Raptors Playoffs Trauma Treatment Center
Top

Post#200 Re: PG: Raptors establish a winning culture
Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:51 am by lucky777s

That is 3 out of 5 wins without Lowry. Does not look good on him from that standpoint.

However, you can't give the Raps too much credit in 2 of the 5 wins. IND was absolutely brutal in the game when they scored 74 and DAL last night barely even showed up. Don't get excited about our D, 90% of that was just DAL being horrible.

I would still want to give Lowry a full year here to see how he fits in. Then we either trade him or extend him this summer. It would suck to give OKC the 4 pick and then only get the 13 pick back in return for Lowry on draft night trade, but that may be the best we can do.

1. FIRE BC
2. Trade Bargs and Jose if we can. Play Bargs off the bench if we cannot.
3. See how team plays out the year under Casey
4. Decide whether Lowry is our guy, trade or extend
5. Decide if Casey is our guy, fire or extend
6. Trade Bargs if still here, unless he was perfect as 6th man. Maybe even then
7. See what we can do on draft night depending if we have a pick or not
8. Address the wing spots
9. Be open to big moves that might be out there if we still owe pick, otherwise assess team and see if one final tanking is still required.
lucky777s
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,587
And1: 680
Joined: Jun 20, 2009
Top

PreviousNext

Return to Toronto Raptors


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: BangerBrotha, baucestatus, C_Money, cbosh4mvp, Cmike17, Collie, crapfan, Crazy_NBA_Fan, DBA, Demari, Elastic, fantom1nus, Garmfay, Geraz, Google [Bot], Jeepescu, JonBones, Mr Fitzhume, Raptorzzs, redbak, revvolutions, Saint_Killa, salgabri, Screamshock, The Business, TheRealDeal, Yahoo [Bot]