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by nonc on Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:16 am
Yosemite Dan wrote:That's why I love seeing Jones (who may have the most grating voice in all of sports) and Smith on PTS. Mccowan always talks down to them and calls them idiots and those 2 idiots think that Bobcat is joking but he is clearly not. Even he realizes that they are the biggest ass kissers around and doesn't need to be a basketball guy to realize these guys are licking MLSE's ass in particular because they would never find a job anywhere else if they got canned as broadcasters and at Sportsnet.
Bobcat always brings up that Bargs is useless and smirks when he hears these morons defending him.
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by LarSiN on Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:23 am
I stopped following Smith on Twitter last year. He gets a bit of an attitude at times. What pushed it over the edge was when "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" came out and got good reviews. He saw it and hated it and kept going on about how everybody but him was wrong and that he should unfollow anyone who actually liked it. I finally saw it and really liked it (like most people). I mentioned it to him on twitter and pretty much got a "Well, you're wrong" response. I mean, you can not like a movie if you want, but to get all standoffish and stubborn in the face of 90% of people who DID like it is pretty childish.
Anyway, never been a huge fan. I also unfollowed Holly after one too many swoony tweets about various players. The last straw was when she was taking anyone to task who had issues with Lebron James, citing the fact that he was a father, so he must be a good guy. Sorry, at that time there were legit reasons to have issue with LBJ.
On the plus side there are other better Raps reporters to follow. No offense to anyone who loves Smith or Mackenzie
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by team edward on Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:24 am
I'm convinced the only reason BC kept his job for this current extension is because he sold MLSE on his ability to deliver Nash. Based on what they did this offseason it's clear they would have done absolutely anything in this world to get him.
Now that it's clear there is no Nash, BC's success in the eyes of the owners will depend on the team's success relative to the expectations he set for the owners. No rational person could claim this team has so far been anything must a disaster, 4 wins notwithstanding.
in 7 years BC has changed every player on the roster (including Jose - remember he traded him). He had his hands tied on one draft pick, but otherwise all picks were at his disposal. He has had money to spend on free agents several times as well as the green light to close significant deals including JO. WHen he got the job Embry had already all but wiped the slate clean for him. He could have built a full rotation solely through the draft and free agency if he had wished to do so and had made competent decisions.
Anyone that suggests that Brian Colangelo is not responsible for the state of this franchise is delusional.

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by Inevitable on Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:35 am
LarSiN wrote:
Anyway, never been a huge fan. I also unfollowed Holly after one too many swoony tweets about various players. The last straw was when she was taking anyone to task who had issues with Lebron James, citing the fact that he was a father, so he must be a good guy. Sorry, at that time there were legit reasons to have issue with LBJ.
On the plus side there are other better Raps reporters to follow. No offense to anyone who loves Smith or Mackenzie
I remember (some media-day I believe) when Holly was interviewing some players and took them to the side away from most of the media personnel and posters here were ragging on her for that behaviour

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by Volcano on Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:59 am
zippy wrote:Please name someone with experience that you can guarantee will turn this team into a contender?
I'm glad its not up to you either, you seem emotionally unstable.
It's not supposed to be his job to look for candidates now is it? You're telling a customer at a supermarket that he's not equipped to source supplies and inventories because he's complaining about rotten fruit.
Double Helix wrote:Part of the reason BC is still around and part of the reason he still has fans is because many of the things he attempts do sound good in theory. He just hasn't seen many if those ideas pan out consistently.
WRONG.
Most of his ideas were terrible in theory. The reason you agree with him is because your sense of logic is skewed like his. That's why both of you had to concede to the downfall of Bargs even though everyone else saw it coming a mile away.
The GM should not be allowed to have a SINGLE decision that's horrible in theory. This is his job. If he does something that's obviously mindnumbingly stupid to everyone involved in the game, then he doesn't deserve to keep his job.
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by SharoneWright on Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:45 am
Phenomenologist wrote:It's pretty simple. If BC gets extended or remains on as president, I simply won't follow this team anymore. Enuf is **** enuf.
I don't cheer for a General Manager.
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by Scase on Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:58 am
Double Helix wrote:Part of the reason BC is still around and part of the reason he still has fans is because many of the things he attempts do sound good in theory. He just hasn't seen many if those ideas pan out consistently.
A few losses in previous drafts and our team is drastically different. Winning the first in any but the Bargs draft and everything is different.
Without a doubt, the results haven't been there and ultimately that's all that matters but BC rarely frustrates in the moment of any one decision. It's only after it's turned sour that it often seems so naive in hindsight. Maybe that's because he's an expert salesman. Maybe that's because many relate to his line of thinking in theory and feel bad about his lack of luck but he's certainly likeable.
I know he should probably lose his job after this and several other disappointing seasons but deep down I'd love to see him somehow save his job with a Hail Mary play that workers short term and long. I like BC. I can often see his logic. I'm equally disappointed as any at how early things have worked out. It's really as simple ad that for me.
Think about this one thing.
How bad do you really have to be, to not have one successful outing over the course of 7 years. We all know the reason we won the division title is directly related to it being called the titanic division that year. It was hard NOT to win it.
SharoneWright wrote:Phenomenologist wrote:It's pretty simple. If BC gets extended or remains on as president, I simply won't follow this team anymore. Enuf is **** enuf.
I don't cheer for a General Manager.
No you cheer for a horrible team that will stay horrible BECAUSE of said GM.
#FireBC

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by NYPDinformant on Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:05 am
this is what happens when the everything is wrapped up into one ownership group
nobody wants to bite the hand that feeds them
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by Waylon Mercy on Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:58 am
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by Phenomenologist on Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:07 am
^^Wow awesomely awesome. I love that Val has jungle fever. LOL
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by Tha Cynic on Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:34 am
Double Helix wrote:Part of the reason BC is still around and part of the reason he still has fans is because many of the things he attempts do sound good in theory. He just hasn't seen many if those ideas pan out consistently.
A few losses in previous drafts and our team is drastically different. Winning the first in any but the Bargs draft and everything is different.
Without a doubt, the results haven't been there and ultimately that's all that matters but BC rarely frustrates in the moment of any one decision. It's only after it's turned sour that it often seems so naive in hindsight. Maybe that's because he's an expert salesman. Maybe that's because many relate to his line of thinking in theory and feel bad about his lack of luck but he's certainly likeable.
I know he should probably lose his job after this and several other disappointing seasons but deep down I'd love to see him somehow save his job with a Hail Mary play that workers short term and long. I like BC. I can often see his logic. I'm equally disappointed as any at how early things have worked out. It's really as simple ad that for me.
I completely disagree. Most of what he does actually makes no sense. It makes sense if you believe in his comparisons where he absolutely overrates the players he signs or trades for, and compares them to star players or key players on other teams. Bargnani as Dirk? Kapono as their Stojakovic, Landry Fields as their freakin' Shane Battier? The list goes on and on. To make things worse, he doesn't understand the most important aspects of a successful basketball team. If he did, he wouldn't sign the type of players he does. If fact, his biggest problem is his ability to understand how to build a basketball team. He may be a business genius or whatever, but as a GM he is terrible.
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by Harry Palmer on Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:30 am
Double Helix wrote:Part of the reason BC is still around and part of the reason he still has fans is because many of the things he attempts do sound good in theory.
No, no they really don't. not if you're thinking critically while you listen.
And this isn't just hindsight, as you know.
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by UcanUwill on Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:34 am
zippy wrote:Bryan Colangelo is by no shot an amazing General Manager, but he has some experience which in my opinion is better than no experience. What the majority of you are saying is you're willing to gamble and take a shot hiring a no name guy as our GM hoping it works out like Masai???
Cant believe this guy... You cant get worse, when you have absolute worst already. What experience BC has exactly? To sign borderline NBA talents for outrageous prices?
This is pathetic, how in a world one person can do so poorly and still keep his job and have supporters? I actually believe thtn Colangelo's talent evaluation is worse than average RealGM poster. First of all, is his Bargnani delusion, Sir Richard Dawkins should write a book about that... No matter how poorly he builds this team, how bad it looks on paper to begin with, he thinks this team is a play-off contender. What a joke. When you look back at Toronto squads, you will be surprised how many relatively young players aren't even in the NBA anymore.
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by J-Roc on Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:32 am
Volcano wrote:zippy wrote:Please name someone with experience that you can guarantee will turn this team into a contender?
I'm glad its not up to you either, you seem emotionally unstable.
It's not supposed to be his job to look for candidates now is it? You're telling a customer at a supermarket that he's not equipped to source supplies and inventories because he's complaining about rotten fruit.
Double Helix wrote:Part of the reason BC is still around and part of the reason he still has fans is because many of the things he attempts do sound good in theory. He just hasn't seen many if those ideas pan out consistently.
WRONG.
Most of his ideas were terrible in theory. The reason you agree with him is because your sense of logic is skewed like his. That's why both of you had to concede to the downfall of Bargs even though everyone else saw it coming a mile away.The GM should not be allowed to have a SINGLE decision that's horrible in theory. This is his job. If he does something that's obviously mindnumbingly stupid to everyone involved in the game, then he doesn't deserve to keep his job.
Thank you. Was about to post the same thing. DH, seriously, guys like you shouldn't be confusing kids here by posting that BC's moves make sense.

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by KiySi on Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:48 am
Unfortunately that's what journalism is these days. You have to be a puppet, and be politically correct on your route to kissing everyone's ass even if you disagree with it.
If you want to be a journalist who speaks his mind, and spews truth - you better just be doing it for a hobby because odds are you won't get a job that way.
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