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Post#16 Re: LOL, Raps post game, Smith & Jones ar
Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:16 am by Double Helix

Part of the reason BC is still around and part of the reason he still has fans is because many of the things he attempts do sound good in theory. He just hasn't seen many if those ideas pan out consistently.

A few losses in previous drafts and our team is drastically different. Winning the first in any but the Bargs draft and everything is different.

Without a doubt, the results haven't been there and ultimately that's all that matters but BC rarely frustrates in the moment of any one decision. It's only after it's turned sour that it often seems so naive in hindsight. Maybe that's because he's an expert salesman. Maybe that's because many relate to his line of thinking in theory and feel bad about his lack of luck but he's certainly likeable.

I know he should probably lose his job after this and several other disappointing seasons but deep down I'd love to see him somehow save his job with a Hail Mary play that workers short term and long. I like BC. I can often see his logic. I'm equally disappointed as any at how early things have worked out. It's really as simple ad that for me.
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Post#17 Re: LOL, Raps post game, Smith & Jones ar
Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:19 am by Yosemite Dan

TheFreshPrince wrote:Burn a CD man, don't listen to these guys on the radio. I used to love listening to their positive outlooks on things when I was younger but then I noticed that we always sucked. It's the same for that tool Mike Wilner who does the Blue Jays post game interviews and acts like the Jays are perennial title contenders when they've missed the playoffs every season since '93.

The funniest part about it is, they take your call and then cut off the line so you can't respond to their ignorant comments. The true definition of politically apologetic cowards.


I hardly ever listen to these guys, my car radio was on the FAN when I started it up. And this caller was on the line so I was enjoying Smith getting bitched slapped and figured that he would at least say "my bad" and that BC has shown he can't get it done but nothing he said was even close to that and I was just stunned and at the end when he said that he has no problem with MLSE giving him another multi year extension because there was still potential to what he can do with this team., I was thinking this guy must have been dropped on his head as a child quite a bit.
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Post#18 Re: LOL, Raps post game, Smith & Jones ar
Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:36 am by Geddy

Smith, Jones and Grange have become some of the biggest BC ass kissers around these days. They are using the same excuses that we first heard early in BC's tenure as GM and expecting us to be patient with him.
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Post#19 Re: LOL, Raps post game, Smith & Jones ar
Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:42 am by C_Money

zippy wrote:To be honest on the topic of BC I'm not sure there's a better GM currently available. I'm neutral on the issue I don't defend BC but at the same time I don't blame everything on him I'm sure there's circumstances behind the scene that he can't control.

Do I think BCs time is up? Probably. However I just can't think of any candidates available that can do a better job.


There are so many executives around the NBA. Nobody knew who Masai Ujuri was before the Nuggets hired him but he's doing a great job. You just have to trust that MLSE knows what they are doing.
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Post#20 Re: LOL, Raps post game, Smith & Jones ar
Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:45 am by Geddy

zippy wrote:To be honest on the topic of BC I'm not sure there's a better GM currently available. I'm neutral on the issue I don't defend BC but at the same time I don't blame everything on him I'm sure there's circumstances behind the scene that he can't control.

Do I think BCs time is up? Probably. However I just can't think of any candidates available that can do a better job.


There are about 28 teams that are better than the Raptors at the moment so it wouldn't be hard to surpass Conangelo's success with this team. I don't get what exactly is good about Colangelo that would be hard for another GM to eclipse.
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Post#21 Re: LOL, Raps post game, Smith & Jones ar
Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:51 am by West Rouge

Toronto sports fans are the problem. They would support a piece a poop wrapped in a jersey as long as it won a couple times a year
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Post#22 Re: LOL, Raps post game, Smith & Jones ar
Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:51 am by Centre Court

No one kisses Colangelo's as$ like Paul Jones. I can't listen to him anymore.
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Post#23 Re: LOL, Raps post game, Smith & Jones ar
Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:55 am by Phenomenologist

Double Helix wrote:Part of the reason BC is still around and part of the reason he still has fans is because many of the things he attempts do sound good in theory. He just hasn't seen many if those ideas pan out consistently.

A few losses in previous drafts and our team is drastically different. Winning the first in any but the Bargs draft and everything is different.

Without a doubt, the results haven't been there and ultimately that's all that matters but BC rarely frustrates in the moment of any one decision. It's only after it's turned sour that it often seems so naive in hindsight. Maybe that's because he's an expert salesman. Maybe that's because many relate to his line of thinking in theory and feel bad about his lack of luck but he's certainly likeable.

I know he should probably lose his job after this and several other disappointing seasons but deep down I'd love to see him somehow save his job with a Hail Mary play that workers short term and long. I like BC. I can often see his logic. I'm equally disappointed as any at how early things have worked out. It's really as simple ad that for me.


The only time I've ever liked one of BC's moves in theory was when he traded Araujo for Humphries. Everything else he's done during his tenure I responded to with some form of dislike, be it mild or bonafide hate. And that's because BC is a **** moron.
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Post#24 Re: LOL, Raps post game, Smith & Jones ar
Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:56 am by West Rouge

Centre Court wrote:No one kisses Colangelo's as$ like Paul Jones. I can't listen to him anymore.


he's annoying. He's great for all the loolipop licking kool-aid drinking fans.
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Post#25 Re: LOL, Raps post game, Smith & Jones ar
Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:23 am by zippy

Bryan Colangelo is by no shot an amazing General Manager, but he has some experience which in my opinion is better than no experience. What the majority of you are saying is you're willing to gamble and take a shot hiring a no name guy as our GM hoping it works out like Masai???

If Dr. J was still interested to be our GM I'd take him on, hell I'd even have Phil Jackson as our GM lol but I'm talking tangible available prospects that will absolutely guarantee success for this team! You can't just be trigger happy firing the man and replacing him with garbage.
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Post#26 Re: LOL, Raps post game, Smith & Jones ar
Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:39 am by KnickerBonkerz

I guess they do get paid to nuthug the organization but even our commentators are more in tune with reality.

Smith and Jones have never EVER said anything bad about BC or any of his moves, they're on board with everything he does. Once BC gets fired they will be talking about what a great move it is by MLSE and start supporting whoever it is they hire.
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Post#27 Re: LOL, Raps post game, Smith & Jones ar
Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:41 am by UN-Owen

zippy wrote:Bryan Colangelo is by no shot an amazing General Manager, but he has some experience which in my opinion is better than no experience. What the majority of you are saying is you're willing to gamble and take a shot hiring a no name guy as our GM hoping it works out like Masai???

If Dr. J was still interested to be our GM I'd take him on, hell I'd even have Phil Jackson as our GM lol but I'm talking tangible available prospects that will absolutely guarantee success for this team! You can't just be trigger happy firing the man and replacing him with garbage.


There are thousands (yes, thousands!) of highly intelligent basketball fans who if given access to the resources at BC's disposal could implement and execute a successful plan for building a contender
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Post#28 Re: LOL, Raps post game, Smith & Jones ar
Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:53 am by Yosemite Dan

That's why I love seeing Jones (who may have the most grating voice in all of sports) and Smith on PTS. Mccowan always talks down to them and calls them idiots and those 2 idiots think that Bobcat is joking but he is clearly not. Even he realizes that they are the biggest ass kissers around and doesn't need to be a basketball guy to realize these guys are licking MLSE's ass in particular because they would never find a job anywhere else if they got canned as broadcasters and at Sportsnet.

Bobcat always brings up that Bargs is useless and smirks when he hears these morons defending him.
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Post#29 Re: LOL, Raps post game, Smith & Jones ar
Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:00 am by 22haytham22

Both those guys are tool bags, they make no sense when it comes to the Raptors, such damn puppets
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Post#30 Re: LOL, Raps post game, Smith & Jones ar
Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:05 am by Geddy

Yosemite Dan wrote:That's why I love seeing Jones (who may have the most grating voice in all of sports) and Smith on PTS. Mccowan always talks down to them and calls them idiots and those 2 idiots think that Bobcat is joking but he is clearly not. Even he realizes that they are the biggest ass kissers around and doesn't need to be a basketball guy to realize these guys are licking MLSE's ass in particular because they would never find a job anywhere else if they got canned as broadcasters and at Sportsnet.

Bobcat always brings up that Bargs is useless and smirks when he hears these morons defending him.


He's been doing the same with Grange lately and you can tell Grange gets uncomfortable when Bobcat keeps taking jabs at BC, Bargnani and the rest.
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Post#31 Re: LOL, Raps post game, Smith & Jones ar
Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:16 am by nonc

Yosemite Dan wrote:That's why I love seeing Jones (who may have the most grating voice in all of sports) and Smith on PTS. Mccowan always talks down to them and calls them idiots and those 2 idiots think that Bobcat is joking but he is clearly not. Even he realizes that they are the biggest ass kissers around and doesn't need to be a basketball guy to realize these guys are licking MLSE's ass in particular because they would never find a job anywhere else if they got canned as broadcasters and at Sportsnet.

Bobcat always brings up that Bargs is useless and smirks when he hears these morons defending him.


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Post#32 Re: LOL, Raps post game, Smith & Jones ar
Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:23 am by LarSiN

I stopped following Smith on Twitter last year. He gets a bit of an attitude at times. What pushed it over the edge was when "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" came out and got good reviews. He saw it and hated it and kept going on about how everybody but him was wrong and that he should unfollow anyone who actually liked it. I finally saw it and really liked it (like most people). I mentioned it to him on twitter and pretty much got a "Well, you're wrong" response. I mean, you can not like a movie if you want, but to get all standoffish and stubborn in the face of 90% of people who DID like it is pretty childish.

Anyway, never been a huge fan. I also unfollowed Holly after one too many swoony tweets about various players. The last straw was when she was taking anyone to task who had issues with Lebron James, citing the fact that he was a father, so he must be a good guy. Sorry, at that time there were legit reasons to have issue with LBJ.

On the plus side there are other better Raps reporters to follow. No offense to anyone who loves Smith or Mackenzie
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Post#33 Re: LOL, Raps post game, Smith & Jones ar
Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:24 am by team edward

I'm convinced the only reason BC kept his job for this current extension is because he sold MLSE on his ability to deliver Nash. Based on what they did this offseason it's clear they would have done absolutely anything in this world to get him.

Now that it's clear there is no Nash, BC's success in the eyes of the owners will depend on the team's success relative to the expectations he set for the owners. No rational person could claim this team has so far been anything must a disaster, 4 wins notwithstanding.

in 7 years BC has changed every player on the roster (including Jose - remember he traded him). He had his hands tied on one draft pick, but otherwise all picks were at his disposal. He has had money to spend on free agents several times as well as the green light to close significant deals including JO. WHen he got the job Embry had already all but wiped the slate clean for him. He could have built a full rotation solely through the draft and free agency if he had wished to do so and had made competent decisions.

Anyone that suggests that Brian Colangelo is not responsible for the state of this franchise is delusional.
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Post#34 Re: LOL, Raps post game, Smith & Jones ar
Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:35 am by Inevitable

LarSiN wrote:
Anyway, never been a huge fan. I also unfollowed Holly after one too many swoony tweets about various players. The last straw was when she was taking anyone to task who had issues with Lebron James, citing the fact that he was a father, so he must be a good guy. Sorry, at that time there were legit reasons to have issue with LBJ.

On the plus side there are other better Raps reporters to follow. No offense to anyone who loves Smith or Mackenzie


I remember (some media-day I believe) when Holly was interviewing some players and took them to the side away from most of the media personnel and posters here were ragging on her for that behaviour :lol:
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Post#35 Re: LOL, Raps post game, Smith & Jones ar
Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:59 am by Volcano

zippy wrote:Please name someone with experience that you can guarantee will turn this team into a contender?

I'm glad its not up to you either, you seem emotionally unstable.


It's not supposed to be his job to look for candidates now is it? You're telling a customer at a supermarket that he's not equipped to source supplies and inventories because he's complaining about rotten fruit.

Double Helix wrote:Part of the reason BC is still around and part of the reason he still has fans is because many of the things he attempts do sound good in theory. He just hasn't seen many if those ideas pan out consistently.


WRONG.

Most of his ideas were terrible in theory. The reason you agree with him is because your sense of logic is skewed like his. That's why both of you had to concede to the downfall of Bargs even though everyone else saw it coming a mile away.

The GM should not be allowed to have a SINGLE decision that's horrible in theory. This is his job. If he does something that's obviously mindnumbingly stupid to everyone involved in the game, then he doesn't deserve to keep his job.
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