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Post#1 » by J-Roc » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:26 am

Not my post, but deserves its own thread.

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alan_smithee wrote:I've been a long time reader of this message board and a close friend of mine that is a regular here thought it would be good if I shared some information about Bryan Colangelo with you all as I work within the organization. First off I know how message boards work and I know people will ask for proof of who I am but I really would not feel comfortable sharing my credentials, even in private with admins as I do not want to put my job in any sort of jeopardy. I know this is one of the most popular Raptors fan sites and there are people within the organization that would keep tabs on it. I hope you all understand my paranoia (which is also why I did not start a new thread and why I am posting from a public place).

For the skeptics I guess you should stop reading at this point and the rest can read on. I should mention that I am not a big shot, or high ranking person that would have inside information as to what goes on in the locker room, or what trades are being worked on so I cannot say much on that regard. I only can say what I hear being talked around the offices and information that passes through my hands. I am close to a couple of people close to the top so from time to time I do get a glance at what goes on behind closed doors. I don't have anything groundbreaking but just some confirmation of things you might already have heard.

I consider myself a fan of the Raptors before I consider myself an employee and I would like to see this team have success more than anything. From what I have seen I don't think Bryan Colangelo is the right person to lead this team to success. What I would like to tell you all is at the moment it does not appear as though Bryan will be leaving this team anytime in the foreseeable future. As much as fans here may be unhappy with his results, management and ownership still have a lot of confidence in him. There are a number of factors why this is the case. Even before the recent winning streak his job was never really in imminent danger.

First of all, the change of ownership from the OTPP to the Bell/Rogers consortium gave Bryan a new lease on life. You have to understand that when OTPP was in charge both the Leafs and Raptors were treated in the same way as an investor would treat any other stock. As long as they are making money for you then you probably don't care how they are doing it. There was no pressure on either team to have more success. The Raptors were already exceeding expectations in terms of growth and revenue so you can imagine that in an environment where hockey is king, the Raptors were doing just fine as far as dollars go. Eventually some rumblings started a few years ago that OTPP might sell the franchises and cash out which is when someone figured that winning teams would nicely raise the price tag. This is when some pressure began to be applied on Colangelo to improve the team. Ownership wanted additional playoff revenues that just weren't there at the time.

When the pressure did begin to mount on him they found some buyers willing to pay a bigger price than originally negotiated and the rest was history. With new owners Bryan got to start fresh with none of the previous pressures on him. Currently management is treating him as if he is in his second year with the team.

With the Raptors in the hands on Bell and Rogers not much has changed as to how much ownership cares about the team. Although there are certain people on the board with more of an interest in basketball, the Leafs still come first. The lost revenue from the NHL lockout is the biggest concern at the moment so the Raptors are flying under the radar for the most part. You have to understand that with the OTPP and with current ownership the Raptors operate sort of like a splinter group. As long as they report back with their books intact, there isn't much interference from up top. Even though the Raptors are going through some bad seasons the money is still coming in. There is still strong corporate sponsorship, good season ticket sales, obviously a good TV deal, and other sales resulting from merchandise and concessions. As long as these factors are present there won't be much pressure on Bryan to make any drastic changes to what he has been doing all along.

The fan outrage that recently came about over Bryan's track record didn't go unnoticed but it was only until members of the Toronto sports media began to call him out that ownership decided to check in on him. It wasn't a "you're in trouble now Bryan" type of meeting but rather just a "what's all this fuss" type of meeting. The fact that it took this long for the board members to realize that there might be something wrong with the team just goes to show how much they are concerned about it all. Like I mentioned earlier, the hockey lockout is letting Bryan fly under the radar. Some people have mentioned that ownership may have put restraints on Bryan this season but that is hardly the case. I have been told that Bryan has told the board that not landing Nash was a wrench in the gears, and he has declared this season as a "development year".

It is also no secret that Larry Tanenbaum and Bryan Colangelo are close friends. If you have been to any kind of MLSE function you will probably see the two mingling together. Larry is the chairman and even though he is a minority in the group, people listen to him when he talks. He is sort of the father at the head of the boardroom table. He may not be too insightful when it comes to basketball but compared to the other guys he is a jock so they assume he knows what he is talking about. Larry has always had Bryan's back whenever any kind of internal criticism has been lobbed his way because in his mind Bryan is a basketball genius. As long as Larry is around, Bryan's job will be safe unless something drastic happens.

It also doesn't help that Bryan has surrounded himself with a bunch of incompetent yes men - assistants, analysts, consultants, etc who just help stroke his ego. Take a guy like Alex Rucker for example. He is the type of guy that loves to believe that he is on a higher intellectual plane than everyone else. He will point out a pile of rubbish to you and tell you that it really is a pile of gold but you just can't see it the way he does because you are not as smart as him. The organization doesn't realize that he is just trying to make a name for himself. With him advising Bryan on what to do this team probably will not head in the right direction. Most people who have worked with him (aside from Bryan) really think he is full of you-know-what. These yes men also report back to the higher level and tell them that Bryan is doing a bang up job.

I could have spared myself all that writing and just said that Bryan isn't going to be leaving this team any time soon unless he leaves himself. The new owners have no qualms with him at the moment and they still have much faith in him. The only issue might arise if he asks for more money than the owners are willing to pay him. I can tell you basketball wise they are making good money so throwing a lot of money at Bryan would not be out of the question for them.

I should say that the fans should continue to speak out and say they would like changes because it does get noticed by the organization. However, I should add that until season ticket holders start to not renew their seats in large numbers they won't put fan reaction too high on their priority list. This site is a good start and people need to keep it going.

There isn't much more I can tell you. As for Bryan himself he is a very narcissistic person. When you hear him talking nonsense to the media it may sound like he is making excuses for himself but the truth is that for much of it he really believes what he is saying. He hates to be criticized as he feels that problems he encounters are not his fault, but rather the fault of other circumstances out of his hands. In typical CEO like fashion he will be quick to pass the buck onto those below him. He is also a natural pitchman and could easily work in marketing. You can start talking to him about a basketball player and a minute later you will find yourself talking about something completely different like the latest Bentley.

As for the team and trades i don't know much. I can say that I have heard that a divide had begun to form amongst the players and escalated during the road trip. From what I know some players were unhappy with some of Casey's tactics. It involved minutes, holding players accountable and also involved Kyle Lowry, Linas Kleiza and a few other players being critical to Casey of Andrea Bargnani. The plane trips and practices had become awkward times because of the rift. Bryan's meeting with the team was basically him telling everyone to play nice with each other (i.e. be nice to Bargnani) otherwise they will be shipped out. I know Amir is a company man and he was on Andrea's and Casey's side in all of this. Jose cemented his reputation with Bryan as he was one of the veterans that got everyone back on the same page.

Bryan was especially unhappy with Lowry, and Bryan doesn't like that type of rebellious attitude. It will be interesting to see how long his future with the team will be. I have been told that Kyle was told to tone it down and to not stir the pot in terms of how Casey should run the team. These types of incidents are common with losing teams but are usually kept under wraps while only the players, coaches and GM know about them. This one was big which is why word got out. I have been told that after the game in Utah tempers in the locker room were already high and after the game in LA everything just boiled over.

I know this isn't ground breaking info as most of it has leaked out to the media already, but it should give you an idea of how ownership is thinking and that Bryan probably will be with this team for a while.
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Post#2 » by david5773 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:29 am

Bottom line, we have the worst owners ever.
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Post#3 » by Suga2Panda » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:31 am

Big mistake making BC both President and GM when his bosses know nothing about basketball. No accountability whatsoever...
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Post#4 » by Chaos Engine » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:37 am

Oh my lord. Everything I read there seems 100% plausible. Which is terrible for this franchise. I always thought Lowry was a bit of a off beat acquisition for BC because Bryan LOVES good "character" guys aka soft nice players who don't question authority. Which is why he let go of Bayless and JJ so easily. Lowry has that Kobe attitude at times, without the success or accolades, so I can see why BC is unhappy with him.

Everything about his relationship with Larry and the board makes sense to me. BC is a politician playing GM. He has the gift of the gab, a silver tongue that leads people to believe he knows what he's talking about. And BC does truly believe he is a basketball genuis aka "the evolution of the game".

As long as he's here our team will never be anything better than first round fodder, if that. Why did David Stern decide to punish us with this snake-oil man? I wish he never recommended him to MLSE in the first place.
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Post#5 » by ATLTimekeeper » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:38 am

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Post#6 » by Lord_Zedd » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:39 am

Which is why the winning streak was the worst thing that could have ever happened. It saved BC's job this year and if the Raptors finish strong after a 4-19 start, MLSE will most likely extend him.

It looks like Ed Davis is good as gone and Kyle Lowry too if he keeps that up (Which he should IMO).

Truth or not, I understand the anonymous factor in the OP. Knew someone who worked in Activision Blizzard and the guy was a big contributor in a popular blog site that Blizzard hated oh so much.
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Post#7 » by RapsFanInOhio » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:40 am

Had me til he started bashing Rucker.
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Post#8 » by TiKusDom » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:40 am

BC is getting extended. BOOK IT

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Post#9 » by miruss2001 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:40 am

looks like i can expect to be disgusted with this team for many years to come.
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Post#10 » by RapsFanInOhio » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:41 am

Lord_Zedd wrote:Which is why the winning streak was the worst thing that could have ever happened. It saved BC's job this year and if the Raptors finish strong after a 4-19 start, MLSE will most likely extend him.

It looks like Ed Davis is good as gone and Kyle Lowry too if he keeps that up (Which he should IMO).

Truth or not, I understand the anonymous factor in the OP. Knew someone who worked in Activision Blizzard and the guy was a big contributor in a popular blog site that Blizzard hated oh so much.

What in that post would lead you to believe that Davis is as good as gone?
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Post#11 » by FluLikeSymptoms » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:42 am

RapsFanInOhio wrote:Had me til he started bashing Rucker.

I settled in right about there. Sounds like an annoyed co-worker.
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Post#12 » by ATLTimekeeper » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:45 am

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RapsFanInOhio wrote:Had me til he started bashing Rucker.

I settled in right about there. Sounds like a previously banned poster.


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Post#13 » by sanity » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:46 am

Hope the Mayans are right tomorrow, because thats the only chance this team seems to have
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Post#14 » by Block416 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:47 am

J-Roc wrote:Not my post, but deserves its own thread.

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1218734&start=390

alan_smithee wrote:I've been a long time reader of this message board and a close friend of mine that is a regular here thought it would be good if I shared some information about Bryan Colangelo with you all as I work within the organization. First off I know how message boards work and I know people will ask for proof of who I am but I really would not feel comfortable sharing my credentials, even in private with admins as I do not want to put my job in any sort of jeopardy. I know this is one of the most popular Raptors fan sites and there are people within the organization that would keep tabs on it. I hope you all understand my paranoia (which is also why I did not start a new thread and why I am posting from a public place).

For the skeptics I guess you should stop reading at this point and the rest can read on. I should mention that I am not a big shot, or high ranking person that would have inside information as to what goes on in the locker room, or what trades are being worked on so I cannot say much on that regard. I only can say what I hear being talked around the offices and information that passes through my hands. I am close to a couple of people close to the top so from time to time I do get a glance at what goes on behind closed doors. I don't have anything groundbreaking but just some confirmation of things you might already have heard.

I consider myself a fan of the Raptors before I consider myself an employee and I would like to see this team have success more than anything. From what I have seen I don't think Bryan Colangelo is the right person to lead this team to success. What I would like to tell you all is at the moment it does not appear as though Bryan will be leaving this team anytime in the foreseeable future. As much as fans here may be unhappy with his results, management and ownership still have a lot of confidence in him. There are a number of factors why this is the case. Even before the recent winning streak his job was never really in imminent danger.

First of all, the change of ownership from the OTPP to the Bell/Rogers consortium gave Bryan a new lease on life. You have to understand that when OTPP was in charge both the Leafs and Raptors were treated in the same way as an investor would treat any other stock. As long as they are making money for you then you probably don't care how they are doing it. There was no pressure on either team to have more success. The Raptors were already exceeding expectations in terms of growth and revenue so you can imagine that in an environment where hockey is king, the Raptors were doing just fine as far as dollars go. Eventually some rumblings started a few years ago that OTPP might sell the franchises and cash out which is when someone figured that winning teams would nicely raise the price tag. This is when some pressure began to be applied on Colangelo to improve the team. Ownership wanted additional playoff revenues that just weren't there at the time.

When the pressure did begin to mount on him they found some buyers willing to pay a bigger price than originally negotiated and the rest was history. With new owners Bryan got to start fresh with none of the previous pressures on him. Currently management is treating him as if he is in his second year with the team.

With the Raptors in the hands on Bell and Rogers not much has changed as to how much ownership cares about the team. Although there are certain people on the board with more of an interest in basketball, the Leafs still come first. The lost revenue from the NHL lockout is the biggest concern at the moment so the Raptors are flying under the radar for the most part. You have to understand that with the OTPP and with current ownership the Raptors operate sort of like a splinter group. As long as they report back with their books intact, there isn't much interference from up top. Even though the Raptors are going through some bad seasons the money is still coming in. There is still strong corporate sponsorship, good season ticket sales, obviously a good TV deal, and other sales resulting from merchandise and concessions. As long as these factors are present there won't be much pressure on Bryan to make any drastic changes to what he has been doing all along.

The fan outrage that recently came about over Bryan's track record didn't go unnoticed but it was only until members of the Toronto sports media began to call him out that ownership decided to check in on him. It wasn't a "you're in trouble now Bryan" type of meeting but rather just a "what's all this fuss" type of meeting. The fact that it took this long for the board members to realize that there might be something wrong with the team just goes to show how much they are concerned about it all. Like I mentioned earlier, the hockey lockout is letting Bryan fly under the radar. Some people have mentioned that ownership may have put restraints on Bryan this season but that is hardly the case. I have been told that Bryan has told the board that not landing Nash was a wrench in the gears, and he has declared this season as a "development year".

It is also no secret that Larry Tanenbaum and Bryan Colangelo are close friends. If you have been to any kind of MLSE function you will probably see the two mingling together. Larry is the chairman and even though he is a minority in the group, people listen to him when he talks. He is sort of the father at the head of the boardroom table. He may not be too insightful when it comes to basketball but compared to the other guys he is a jock so they assume he knows what he is talking about. Larry has always had Bryan's back whenever any kind of internal criticism has been lobbed his way because in his mind Bryan is a basketball genius. As long as Larry is around, Bryan's job will be safe unless something drastic happens.

It also doesn't help that Bryan has surrounded himself with a bunch of incompetent yes men - assistants, analysts, consultants, etc who just help stroke his ego. Take a guy like Alex Rucker for example. He is the type of guy that loves to believe that he is on a higher intellectual plane than everyone else. He will point out a pile of rubbish to you and tell you that it really is a pile of gold but you just can't see it the way he does because you are not as smart as him. The organization doesn't realize that he is just trying to make a name for himself. With him advising Bryan on what to do this team probably will not head in the right direction. Most people who have worked with him (aside from Bryan) really think he is full of you-know-what. These yes men also report back to the higher level and tell them that Bryan is doing a bang up job.

I could have spared myself all that writing and just said that Bryan isn't going to be leaving this team any time soon unless he leaves himself. The new owners have no qualms with him at the moment and they still have much faith in him. The only issue might arise if he asks for more money than the owners are willing to pay him. I can tell you basketball wise they are making good money so throwing a lot of money at Bryan would not be out of the question for them.

I should say that the fans should continue to speak out and say they would like changes because it does get noticed by the organization. However, I should add that until season ticket holders start to not renew their seats in large numbers they won't put fan reaction too high on their priority list. This site is a good start and people need to keep it going.

There isn't much more I can tell you. As for Bryan himself he is a very narcissistic person. When you hear him talking nonsense to the media it may sound like he is making excuses for himself but the truth is that for much of it he really believes what he is saying. He hates to be criticized as he feels that problems he encounters are not his fault, but rather the fault of other circumstances out of his hands. In typical CEO like fashion he will be quick to pass the buck onto those below him. He is also a natural pitchman and could easily work in marketing. You can start talking to him about a basketball player and a minute later you will find yourself talking about something completely different like the latest Bentley.

As for the team and trades i don't know much. I can say that I have heard that a divide had begun to form amongst the players and escalated during the road trip. From what I know some players were unhappy with some of Casey's tactics. It involved minutes, holding players accountable and also involved Kyle Lowry, Linas Kleiza and a few other players being critical to Casey of Andrea Bargnani. The plane trips and practices had become awkward times because of the rift. Bryan's meeting with the team was basically him telling everyone to play nice with each other (i.e. be nice to Bargnani) otherwise they will be shipped out. I know Amir is a company man and he was on Andrea's and Casey's side in all of this. Jose cemented his reputation with Bryan as he was one of the veterans that got everyone back on the same page.

Bryan was especially unhappy with Lowry, and Bryan doesn't like that type of rebellious attitude. It will be interesting to see how long his future with the team will be. I have been told that Kyle was told to tone it down and to not stir the pot in terms of how Casey should run the team. These types of incidents are common with losing teams but are usually kept under wraps while only the players, coaches and GM know about them. This one was big which is why word got out. I have been told that after the game in Utah tempers in the locker room were already high and after the game in LA everything just boiled over.

I know this isn't ground breaking info as most of it has leaked out to the media already, but it should give you an idea of how ownership is thinking and that Bryan probably will be with this team for a while.


I always read this forum, and about 90% of the stuff you post is useless..

Considering the dude said "I hope you all understand my paranoia (which is also why I did not start a new thread and why I am posting from a public place).", maybe you shouldn't have taken it upon yourself to say this deserves its own thread. lol ... respect what the man said.
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Post#15 » by TimoCruz » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:49 am

Its sad to see how dumb our ownership is. We will never achieve anything with this management.

EDIT: Not sure what the poster is like, I don't normally look at screen names when reading comments.
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Post#16 » by Yosemite Dan » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:50 am

Nice but much too detailed to be real. Sounds like someone was bored and wanted to create a gazillion threads as he seems to touch on almost every contentious issue that this board has 50 page threads over. The scope of these revelations are way too broad. But props to the poster who obviously had a vivid imagination and a lot of spare time.

"I'm a low level employee but I have learned thru a co-worker who learned through another co-worker etc....." and wouldn't one of these coworkers who keep blabbing think it might get on a board like this like it just did now?

Some of that information would never leave a room where it was said, never mind being passed down from worker to worker like it's high school.

I speak a little from personal experience because my sister in law once worked in the payroll dept at MLSE about 10 years ago for several years. I always bugged her about what's happening over there and she gave me nothing because she said nothing is ever said there, just like any other professional corporation.

Any high level information with that much detail would never filter down like that, especially with a property as high profile as the Raps and Leafs because the highest guy who would pass down that info would never trust anyone below him to keep that private and he sure wouldn't risk his job over it.
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Post#17 » by Inevitable » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:50 am

We're f*cked forever unless we luck into a Kyrie Irving situation where we are forced into drafting the best player.

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Post#18 » by James_Raptors » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:53 am

Taking it with a grain of salt.
Sounds like the poster had an axe to grind ie: Alex Tucker and an agenda of his own, at points.
Basically, some, all or very little could be true. It's just out there, like other opinions and information.
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Post#19 » by FluLikeSymptoms » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:55 am

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RapsFanInOhio wrote:Had me til he started bashing Rucker.


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Post#20 » by 22haytham22 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:56 am

Regardless of what the poster says, I truly want BC gone and as far as ownership, didn't the Jays who are owned by Rogers throw substantial amounts of money this year to build a contending team, as far as I know the owners are willing to spend regardless and so in the end of the day it is up to the GM to build that team properly. BC has done a terrible job and we need to keep putting pressure on the media to put pressure on the raptors...look this 4 game win streak is nice but for anything to happen we really need to keep losing and it pains me to say it
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