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Re: We are only 5 to 6.5 games back of 5-8 seed 

Post#61 » by Dr Positivity » Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:30 pm

Interesting point in the Denver-Clippers game last night where it was mentioned George Karl has a formula of road wins - home losses to determine how his team is doing. After 82 games it always adds up to how many Ws a team is from .500. Right now we're -3 (2 road wins, 5 home losses), which when multiplied by 82/28, would lead to a number of -9, so a 32 W team. I think that's a little more respectable than people realize
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Re: We are only 5 to 6.5 games back of 5-8 seed 

Post#62 » by Yosemite Dan » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:12 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:Interesting point in the Denver-Clippers game last night where it was mentioned George Karl has a formula of road wins - home losses to determine how his team is doing. After 82 games it always adds up to how many Ws a team is from .500. Right now we're -3 (2 road wins, 5 home losses), which when multiplied by 82/28, would lead to a number of -9, so a 32 W team. I think that's a little more respectable than people realize


Is there any way you can translate that post to english?
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Re: We are only 5 to 6.5 games back of 5-8 seed 

Post#63 » by Dr Positivity » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:33 pm

Road wins - Home Losses is a way for George Karl to evaluate a team's record if there's a heavy proportion of home or road games in the schedule. This is because if the amount of home games and road games are equal, road wins - home losses will always equal how many wins a team is from .500. For example in 2011 the Heat went 58-24 with a 30-11 home record and 28-13 road record. 28 road wins minus 11 home losses = 17. 58 Ws, is 17 Ws above 41. The Raptors that year had 6 road wins and 25 home losses, 6-25 = -19, and with 22 Ws overall that's 19 Ws below 41. The point for Karl was that Denver is 15-14 but that record looks a lot better if you consider they've had 9 home games vs 20 road games so far, they have 7 road wins and 1 home loss which is +6, according to the broadcast that was 2nd in the league behind the Spurs

Now to translate it to the season so far, I just took 82 Gs divided by how many games the team has played, and multiplied it. For Denver who's played 29 Games, 82/29 is x2.83. So 2.83 * 6 would equal 17. In other words if Denver's rate of road wins - home losses continues, they would finish 17 Ws above 41, so with 58. I did the same thing for the Raptors and they punched out as a 32 W team if their road wins - home losses continues

Now the problem with this calculation, I believe, is that a team who plays a lot of road games should be in a position to benefit from it. Ie the Raptors and Nuggets have had a lot of opportunities to get road wins and have avoided a lot of opportunities to get home losses. A better way would be just to multiply home and road winning % by 41. The Raptors are currently on pace for 24 home wins and 5 road wins using this (29 overall), while the Nuggets are on pace for 36 home wins and 14 road wins (50 overall)
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Re: We are only 5 to 6.5 games back of 5-8 seed 

Post#64 » by Oakville_Raptor » Wed Dec 26, 2012 11:33 pm

sca wrote:
Oakville_Raptor wrote:The Raptors will be 9-20 after the Spurs game so people on here need psychiatric help if they think they have any chance of making the playoffs this season.

Stranger things have surely happened.


This team doesn't have the heart and talent to make a run like the 2001-2002 Raptors did.
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Re: We are only 5 to 6.5 games back of 5-8 seed 

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Re: We are only 5 to 6.5 games back of 5-8 seed 

Post#66 » by sca » Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:22 am

Oakville_Raptor wrote:
sca wrote:
Oakville_Raptor wrote:The Raptors will be 9-20 after the Spurs game so people on here need psychiatric help if they think they have any chance of making the playoffs this season.

Stranger things have surely happened.


This team doesn't have the heart and talent to make a run like the 2001-2002 Raptors did.

Did you feel like we had that heart and talent back when we started 7-14 in 2006-07? I'm not betting on us making the playoffs either, but what you're saying is inappropriate.
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Re: We are only 5 to 6.5 games back of 5-8 seed 

Post#67 » by Jval17 » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:30 am

Gained grown on orlando, just 2.5 back. Win tomorrow, 1.5 back.
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Re: We are only 5 to 6.5 games back of 5-8 seed 

Post#68 » by Neutral 123 » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:00 am

8 games out of 5th and 6 games out of 8th... Ouch.
To them, it's like everyone wants the money they are never going to make. amluvinit2 on the tea party..
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Re: We are only 5 to 6.5 games back of 5-8 seed 

Post#69 » by TheAlchemist » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:22 am

Neutral 123 wrote:8 games out of 5th and 6 games out of 8th... Ouch.


Looks too much of a gap to close. We have some abysmal talent and we only beat a bunch of subpar teams to get that win streak. Fools gold, that's all it is.
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Re: We are only 5 to 6.5 games back of 5-8 seed 

Post#70 » by TheAlchemist » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:27 am

Neutral 123 wrote:8 games out of 5th and 6 games out of 8th... Ouch.


Looks too much of a gap to close. We have some abysmal talent and we only beat a bunch of subpar teams to get that win streak. Fools gold, that's all it is.
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Re: We are only 5 to 6.5 games back of 5-8 seed 

Post#71 » by Inevitable » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:31 am

We need to rev up a reversed tank..we need to win enough to give OKC a bad pick.
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Re: We are only 5 to 6.5 games back of 5-8 seed 

Post#72 » by sycammer » Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:24 am

this team had to win at least 4/5 games in this 6 game homestand, instead we went 3-3, so chances of making the playoffs are slim, good thing if we dont make the postseeason; BC is fired.

as the swirsk said, we have pieces but nothing much more - there r glaring holes in this roster - are we on the right track yes, but it will take another 1 or 2 maximum to be in the playoffs. we need the 2014 pick and considering this yr's draft is weak, what has already happened (pick traded for kyle) cannot be undone.

we need wiggins or parker for this team to turn this franchise around :pray: :pray: :pray:
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Re: We are only 5 to 6.5 games back of 5-8 seed 

Post#73 » by Scase » Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:41 am

Inevitable wrote:We need to rev up a reversed tank..we need to win enough to give OKC a bad pick.

What in gods name is the difference. Good pick or bad pick we don't get it period.
If the pick they get is bad then someone elses pick gets better, this isn't rocket science.
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Re: We are only 5 to 6.5 games back of 5-8 seed 

Post#74 » by Neutral 123 » Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:26 pm

Inevitable wrote:We need to rev up a reversed tank..we need to win enough to give OKC a bad pick.

Doesn't work like that. Crap teams can't decide to start winning.
To them, it's like everyone wants the money they are never going to make. amluvinit2 on the tea party..
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Re: We are only 5 to 6.5 games back of 5-8 seed 

Post#75 » by Neutral 123 » Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:27 pm

sycammer wrote:this team had to win at least 4/5 games in this 6 game homestand, instead we went 3-3, so chances of making the playoffs are slim, good thing if we dont make the postseeason; BC is fired.

as the swirsk said, we have pieces but nothing much more - there r glaring holes in this roster - are we on the right track yes, but it will take another 1 or 2 maximum to be in the playoffs. we need the 2014 pick and considering this yr's draft is weak, what has already happened (pick traded for kyle) cannot be undone.

we need wiggins or parker for this team to turn this franchise around :pray: :pray: :pray:

They'll probably trade that pick for Jason Maxiell.
To them, it's like everyone wants the money they are never going to make. amluvinit2 on the tea party..
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Re: We are only 5 to 6.5 games back of 5-8 seed 

Post#76 » by Loopy » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:26 pm

Interesting games today with playoff implications.

Raps are 5.5 games behind Boston for the 8th spot.

Hope Boston loses today, and on Thursday when they play the Knicks who may look for revenge after the Melo/Garnett drama.

I think we still got 4 games to play against Boston which can be huge for the playoff race.
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Re: We are only 5 to 6.5 games back of 5-8 seed 

Post#77 » by Chaos Engine » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:34 pm

People are still hoping for the 8th seed? Lol.

Just pray for 9th or 10th. Give OKC a crappy pick.
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Re: We are only 5 to 6.5 games back of 5-8 seed 

Post#78 » by Zeno » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:48 pm

Raptors only 5 games out of dead last in the league. Could go either way but likely 10th.
When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?

Please adviseā€¦.

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Re: We are only 5 to 6.5 games back of 5-8 seed 

Post#79 » by Jval17 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:35 pm

Boston lost to the knicks, we are 4.5 back of 8 now!
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Re: We are only 5 to 6.5 games back of 5-8 seed 

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