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2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II

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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#561 » by YoungD23 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:19 pm

sweetcity wrote:its all just hypothetical and for fun bro... I realize you have 25,000 posts, so this forum is your life basically. I'd suggest chilling out a little though, you aren't taking over for BC or any GM in this lifetime


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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#562 » by Zeno » Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:19 pm

Just throwing this out for discussion since Nets are trying to trade for Howard again and need a third team. Not that I think it is going to happen. Just wanted to come up with a deal if Raps were the third team.

Raps trade Bargs, Lowry
Raps get Lopez, Watson

Lakers trade: Howard
Lakers get: Bargs, Lowry, Brooks

Nets trade: Lopez, Brooks
Nets get: Howard

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=byxahnd

Don't think Lakers would do it though.
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#563 » by Ice102 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:38 pm

This would be an effort to tank next year and be in a great position to acquire Wiggins/Parker and another strong asset or two.

Trade 1:

TOR- Bargnani, Johnson for CHA-Thomas, Gordon and DET 1ST

Trade 2:

TOR- Calderon to UTA- Filler (a longer contract if need be) and 2014 1ST rd. pick (Top 7 protected)

Trade 3:

TOR- Lowry to IND- Filler (longer contract if need be) and 2014 1ST rd. pick (top-7 protected)
-Like Utah, Indiana needs a solid point guard to help them advance further.

So we lose Bargnani, Calderon and Amir and have to pick up terrible contracts like Gordon and Thomas (and maybe one or two others in the other deals), but TOR gains 3 1st rd. picks in next years draft - add that to our own pick, and we'll have four first round picks in a strong draft.

We'll also be able to develop our players such as Val, Davis and Ross and increase their value if we need to make a move up on Draft Day 2014.

Would you guys do these deals?
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#564 » by why22 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:00 pm

Ice102 wrote:This would be an effort to tank next year and be in a great position to acquire Wiggins/Parker and another strong asset or two.

Trade 1:

TOR- Bargnani, Johnson for CHA-Thomas, Gordon and DET 1ST

Trade 2:

TOR- Calderon to UTA- Filler (a longer contract if need be) and 2014 1ST rd. pick (Top 7 protected)

Trade 3:

TOR- Lowry to IND- Filler (longer contract if need be) and 2014 1ST rd. pick (top-7 protected)
-Like Utah, Indiana needs a solid point guard to help them advance further.

So we lose Bargnani, Calderon and Amir and have to pick up terrible contracts like Gordon and Thomas (and maybe one or two others in the other deals), but TOR gains 3 1st rd. picks in next years draft - add that to our own pick, and we'll have four first round picks in a strong draft.

We'll also be able to develop our players such as Val, Davis and Ross and increase their value if we need to make a move up on Draft Day 2014.

Would you guys do these deals?



I love that idea overall. Id even move Demar as well for another pick lol
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#565 » by StopitLeo » Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:01 pm

Ice102 wrote:This would be an effort to tank next year and be in a great position to acquire Wiggins/Parker and another strong asset or two.

Trade 1:

TOR- Bargnani, Johnson for CHA-Thomas, Gordon and DET 1ST

Trade 2:

TOR- Calderon to UTA- Filler (a longer contract if need be) and 2014 1ST rd. pick (Top 7 protected)

Trade 3:

TOR- Lowry to IND- Filler (longer contract if need be) and 2014 1ST rd. pick (top-7 protected)
-Like Utah, Indiana needs a solid point guard to help them advance further.

So we lose Bargnani, Calderon and Amir and have to pick up terrible contracts like Gordon and Thomas (and maybe one or two others in the other deals), but TOR gains 3 1st rd. picks in next years draft - add that to our own pick, and we'll have four first round picks in a strong draft.

We'll also be able to develop our players such as Val, Davis and Ross and increase their value if we need to make a move up on Draft Day 2014.

Would you guys do these deals?


Top 7 protected picks won't be very useful unless you think they could've packaged to move up.
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#566 » by bballsparkin » Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:59 pm

Ice102 wrote:This would be an effort to tank next year and be in a great position to acquire Wiggins/Parker and another strong asset or two.

Trade 1:

TOR- Bargnani, Johnson for CHA-Thomas, Gordon and DET 1ST

Trade 2:

TOR- Calderon to UTA- Filler (a longer contract if need be) and 2014 1ST rd. pick (Top 7 protected)

Trade 3:

TOR- Lowry to IND- Filler (longer contract if need be) and 2014 1ST rd. pick (top-7 protected)
-Like Utah, Indiana needs a solid point guard to help them advance further.

So we lose Bargnani, Calderon and Amir and have to pick up terrible contracts like Gordon and Thomas (and maybe one or two others in the other deals), but TOR gains 3 1st rd. picks in next years draft - add that to our own pick, and we'll have four first round picks in a strong draft.

We'll also be able to develop our players such as Val, Davis and Ross and increase their value if we need to make a move up on Draft Day 2014.

Would you guys do these deals?


I have no problem shooting for a high pick next year. I mean we miss the playoffs one way or another lol. And it seems next year is stacked. But I doubt the Raptors ownerships ever consider something as drastic as this. So it's a pipe-dream. The league might have things to say too, who knows. Plus the Lakers etc would be pissed as we'd be giving OKC a good pick this year, cuz Toronto wouldn't win another game all season. And if we luck out and get a pick this year in the top three. We could possibly lose out on a pick next year even if we finish last. Perhaps plain old Raptors luck, or Stern power tripping.

I would hate to lose Amir. Love how he lays it all out on the floor but admittedly there would be no reason to keep him and wear him down if the Raps plan on losing next year so sure sell high and dump Bargs. Trading both PG's in the same season will never happen. It would be nice to cash in on one of them though.
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#567 » by gamer4Life » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:55 am

Calderon + Fields

for

Lin, Aldrich, Douglas, 2nd round pick
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#568 » by Master Ze » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:57 am

gamer4Life wrote:Calderon + Fields

for

Lin, Aldrich, Douglas, 2nd round pick

This leaves the Raptors with undoubtedly the worst SF rotation in the league and perhaps the worst in the last decade with an injured Kleiza, washed up Pietrus, and a D-league player in AA.

Aside from that, why would Houston want to give away both their PG's for an expiring in Jose? Leaves them without a backup up PG and a useless Fields since they've already got Parsons, Delfino, and Morris.
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#569 » by kingz32 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:18 am

Would the Nets accept a Dwight Howard + 1st round Draft Pick for Brooks Lopez & Marshon Brooks deal?
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#570 » by Leolovinliberal » Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:35 am

kingz32 wrote:Would the Nets accept a Dwight Howard + 1st round Draft Pick for Brooks Lopez & Marshon Brooks deal?


Uh.............this is the Raptors trade idea thread.
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#571 » by Landomar » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:14 am

Here's a crazy idea.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bekoeh7

Kyle Lowry to OKC for Jeremy Lamb and Perry Jones. To make salaries match, we could also take back Eric Maynor, while adding Alan Anderson and Quincy Acy. We also might be able to get them to throw in some type of future draft pick, but whether or not this would be needed, I'll leave up to the reader. :P

For OKC
- They would massively upgrade their backup PG spot, while also enabling some crazy smallball lineups of death (as we know Westbrook can handle playing SG defensively in certain situations).
- They improve their 2013 lottery pick by weakening the Raptors for the rest of the year
- Lamb and P.Jones aren't playing now anyway, and OKC can use their upcoming draft picks to fill in anticipated rotation openings with cost effective players (such as Kevin Martin's current spot / role)

For TOR
- We add two young players with high upside, while also preparing to gear up for a strong 2013-2014 tanking campaign (or at least this would be one framework in which this kind of deal could make sense). In other words, get worse for the short term, while hopefully adding some useful long term pieces.
- We avoid having to decide whether to overpay Lowry, lose him for nothing, or attempt to trade him later. Just get it over with I say :P
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#572 » by sweetcity » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:03 pm

DeRozan + Bargnani + Fields to Charlotte for Diop + Gordon + 2014 Pistons 1st

clears tons of salary and gives us a late lotto pick.

Eric Bledsoe for Ed Davis

Dont need Ed and Amir, this trade gives us the ability to trade Lowry, Bledsoe who is arguably the better player and will be a little cheaper.

Lowry to Sacramento for Garcia for 2014 unprotected 1st

Raptors - PLUS CAP SPACE TO SIGN A MAX CONTRACT OR TWO LARGER FA DEALS

Bledsoe - FA
Ross - Raps 2014 1st
2014 Sacramento Unprotected 1st -
Amir - Pistons 2014 1st
JV - FA
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#573 » by dagger » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:07 pm

sweetcity wrote:DeRozan + Bargnani + Fields to Charlotte for Diop + Gordon + 2014 Pistons 1st

clears tons of salary and gives us a late lotto pick.

Eric Bledsoe for Ed Davis

Dont need Ed and Amir, this trade gives us the ability to trade Lowry, Bledsoe who is arguably the better player and will be a little cheaper.

Lowry to Sacramento for Garcia for 2014 unprotected 1st

Raptors - PLUS CAP SPACE TO SIGN A MAX CONTRACT OR TWO LARGER FA DEALS

Bledsoe - FA
Ross - Raps 2014 1st
2014 Sacramento Unprotected 1st -
Amir - Pistons 2014 1st
JV - FA


Why, given our history and current situation, would we want max cap space at this juncture. What bad team not in New York or Los Angeles has ever signed a max free agent - except perhaps, by egregiously overpaying.
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#574 » by dagger » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:09 pm

Landomar wrote:Here's a crazy idea.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bekoeh7

Kyle Lowry to OKC for Jeremy Lamb and Perry Jones. To make salaries match, we could also take back Eric Maynor, while adding Alan Anderson and Quincy Acy. We also might be able to get them to throw in some type of future draft pick, but whether or not this would be needed, I'll leave up to the reader. :P

For OKC
- They would massively upgrade their backup PG spot, while also enabling some crazy smallball lineups of death (as we know Westbrook can handle playing SG defensively in certain situations).
- They improve their 2013 lottery pick by weakening the Raptors for the rest of the year
- Lamb and P.Jones aren't playing now anyway, and OKC can use their upcoming draft picks to fill in anticipated rotation openings with cost effective players (such as Kevin Martin's current spot / role)

For TOR
- We add two young players with high upside, while also preparing to gear up for a strong 2013-2014 tanking campaign (or at least this would be one framework in which this kind of deal could make sense). In other words, get worse for the short term, while hopefully adding some useful long term pieces.
- We avoid having to decide whether to overpay Lowry, lose him for nothing, or attempt to trade him later. Just get it over with I say :P


What have Lamb and Jones done to prove they are good prospects? And where do you find time/space to develop Lamb in particular with our glut at SG? If anything, Ross deserves more minutes, not a time share with Lamb behind DeMar.
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#575 » by YoungD23 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:31 pm

sweetcity wrote:its all just hypothetical and for fun bro... I realize you have 25,000 posts, so this forum is your life basically. I'd suggest chilling out a little though, you aren't taking over for BC or any GM in this lifetime
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#576 » by sweetcity » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:35 pm

dagger wrote:
sweetcity wrote:DeRozan + Bargnani + Fields to Charlotte for Diop + Gordon + 2014 Pistons 1st

clears tons of salary and gives us a late lotto pick.

Eric Bledsoe for Ed Davis

Dont need Ed and Amir, this trade gives us the ability to trade Lowry, Bledsoe who is arguably the better player and will be a little cheaper.

Lowry to Sacramento for Garcia for 2014 unprotected 1st

Raptors - PLUS CAP SPACE TO SIGN A MAX CONTRACT OR TWO LARGER FA DEALS

Bledsoe - FA
Ross - Raps 2014 1st
2014 Sacramento Unprotected 1st -
Amir - Pistons 2014 1st
JV - FA


Why, given our history and current situation, would we want max cap space at this juncture. What bad team not in New York or Los Angeles has ever signed a max free agent - except perhaps, by egregiously overpaying.


Dagger, again you need to chill out. Did you read the part about two larger FA's? I understand the chances of signing a max guy (unless he is Canadian are slim) doesnt mean we couldnt be competitive in a bidding process for a player like Paul Millsap
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#577 » by Ice102 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:25 pm

Those trades aren't bad but if we're interested in future cap space and picks, I'd rather just go with what I suggested previously. With this scenario, you keep Davis instead of Johnson, which is better for the future:

Ice102 wrote:This would be an effort to tank next year and be in a great position to acquire Wiggins/Parker and another strong asset or two.

Trade 1:

TOR- Bargnani, Johnson for CHA-Thomas, Gordon and DET 1ST

Trade 2:

TOR- Calderon to UTA- Filler (a longer contract if need be) and 2014 1ST rd. pick (Top 7 protected)

Trade 3:

TOR- Lowry to IND- Filler (longer contract if need be) and 2014 1ST rd. pick (top-7 protected)
-Like Utah, Indiana needs a solid point guard to help them advance further.

So we lose Bargnani, Calderon and Amir and have to pick up terrible contracts like Gordon and Thomas (and maybe one or two others in the other deals), but TOR gains 3 1st rd. picks in next years draft - add that to our own pick, and we'll have four first round picks in a strong draft.

We'll also be able to develop our players such as Val, Davis and Ross and increase their value if we need to make a move up on Draft Day 2014.

Would you guys do these deals?
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#578 » by Troubadour » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:47 pm

Toronto Trades:
Andrea Bargnani
Linas Kleiza
John Lucas III
Aaron Gray

Lakers Trade:
Pau Gasol

Raptors:
Jose Calderon/Kyle Lowry
Demar DeRozan/Terrence Ross
Landry Fields/Alan Anderson
Ed Davis/Quincy Acy
Pau Gasol/Amir Johnson

Jonas could come off bench or start with Pau. Probably back up for Gasol, though
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#579 » by waltthewiz » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:59 pm

DET Trades:

Jonas Jerebko

TOR Trades:

Linas Kleiza

Jerebko is unhappy with his role and has two years remaining. Kleiza has one year remaining.

I liked what Jerebko brought to Detroit his rookie season. Could form a good rotation with him and Landry at SF.
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#580 » by Hassassin » Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:01 pm

Change Kleiza to Fields and I'd do it.
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