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2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II

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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#466 » by Dalek » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:39 pm

If Memphis is looking to move contracts and save some money, I think Gay is attainable.

Calderon
Fields
Ed Davis

for

Rudy Gay
Bayless

Fields could be a good glue guy for them, although he is not a scorer, while Calderon gets to be teamed with Gasol.
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#467 » by sweetcity » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:53 pm

We need cohesion, Lowry Anderson and Rudy Gay are all good friends.

DeMar DeRozan for Ersan Illysova

Andrea Bargnani for Wilson Chandler and Tim Mozgov

Jose Calderon + Fields + Ed Davis for Rudy Gay + Bayless


Raptors

Lowry + Bayless
Anderson + Ross
Gay + Chandler
Illysova + Johnson
JV + Movgov
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#468 » by JustaKnickFan » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:07 pm

Ed Davis and Calderon for Josh Smith. Big risk but maybe J-Smoove decides he loves White Vegas?
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#469 » by rumz » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:47 pm

Wizards trade: Wall, Vesely, Seraphin to Toronto
Raptors trade: Lowry and Valanciunus to Wash

Wall/Jose/Lucas
DeBrick/Ross/Peaches
AA/Fields/Vesely/Kleiza
Ed/Acy/mop girl/random tall guy @ YMCA/Primo Bargnani
Amir/Seraphin/Gray

Colangelo's wet dream come true as the Raptors get the coveted 8th spot only to get swept by the Heat.
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#470 » by Los Manos » Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:29 pm

So how about these two simple trades which I think make sense for each team, first with Sacramento:

Terrence Ross + Andrea Bargnani for Tyreke Evans + Jason Thompson

I don't want to lose Ross but this deal makes a lot of sense for Sac. They don't have to overpay for Evans and in return get a big man to stretch the floor next to Cousins which they currently don't have and with the move to Seattle they get a home state kid full of upside. Someone to market to the new fans and generate excitement with his style of play. I did originally have Salmons in instead of Thompson but if you could squeeze him out of Sac then we have a solid rotation of bigs moving forward.

and now to Memphis:

Calderon + DeRozan for Rudy Gay + Tony Wroten

Memphis get below the luxury tax and gain a starting two guard along with short-term PG help to reinforce their backcourt. This gets Memphis exactly what they need, tax relief and immediate help along with upside in DeRozan.

Both these deals have a whole lot to like for all teams involved and aren't over complicated. I want to move forward with our front court rotation of JV, Ed & Amir with Lowry at the point. The relationship that exists already between Lowry & Gay would make me a whole lot calmer on the idea of Lowry re-signing here. I also think the roster a good balance of experienced heads and solid leadership that could really be the jumping off point for Tyreke in his career.

Lowry / Lucas / Wroten
Evans / Anderson
Gay / Fields / Kleiza
Davis / Johnson
Valanciunas / Thompson / Gray

I know there is nothing new in the idea of going after Evans or Gay but let me know you thoughts on the deals from all sides and how the raptors line-up after the deals.
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#471 » by Raptorfan2012 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:21 pm

Los Manos wrote:So how about these two simple trades which I think make sense for each team, first with Sacramento:

Terrence Ross + Andrea Bargnani for Tyreke Evans + Jason Thompson

I don't want to lose Ross but this deal makes a lot of sense for Sac. They don't have to overpay for Evans and in return get a big man to stretch the floor next to Cousins which they currently don't have and with the move to Seattle they get a home state kid full of upside. Someone to market to the new fans and generate excitement with his style of play. I did originally have Salmons in instead of Thompson but if you could squeeze him out of Sac then we have a solid rotation of bigs moving forward.

and now to Memphis:

Calderon + DeRozan for Rudy Gay + Tony Wroten

Memphis get below the luxury tax and gain a starting two guard along with short-term PG help to reinforce their backcourt. This gets Memphis exactly what they need, tax relief and immediate help along with upside in DeRozan.

Both these deals have a whole lot to like for all teams involved and aren't over complicated. I want to move forward with our front court rotation of JV, Ed & Amir with Lowry at the point. The relationship that exists already between Lowry & Gay would make me a whole lot calmer on the idea of Lowry re-signing here. I also think the roster a good balance of experienced heads and solid leadership that could really be the jumping off point for Tyreke in his career.

Lowry / Lucas / Wroten
Evans / Anderson
Gay / Fields / Kleiza
Davis / Johnson
Valanciunas / Thompson / Gray

I know there is nothing new in the idea of going after Evans or Gay but let me know you thoughts on the deals from all sides and how the raptors line-up after the deals.


These are actually really good trades if they work salary wise. Not sure if Memphis wants Demar since they want to shed salaries but I think the Kings may do that deal.
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#472 » by Sterling_Archer » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:38 am

Los Manos wrote:So how about these two simple trades which I think make sense for each team, first with Sacramento:

Terrence Ross + Andrea Bargnani for Tyreke Evans + Jason Thompson

I don't want to lose Ross but this deal makes a lot of sense for Sac. They don't have to overpay for Evans and in return get a big man to stretch the floor next to Cousins which they currently don't have and with the move to Seattle they get a home state kid full of upside. Someone to market to the new fans and generate excitement with his style of play. I did originally have Salmons in instead of Thompson but if you could squeeze him out of Sac then we have a solid rotation of bigs moving forward.

and now to Memphis:

Calderon + DeRozan for Rudy Gay + Tony Wroten

Memphis get below the luxury tax and gain a starting two guard along with short-term PG help to reinforce their backcourt. This gets Memphis exactly what they need, tax relief and immediate help along with upside in DeRozan.

Both these deals have a whole lot to like for all teams involved and aren't over complicated. I want to move forward with our front court rotation of JV, Ed & Amir with Lowry at the point. The relationship that exists already between Lowry & Gay would make me a whole lot calmer on the idea of Lowry re-signing here. I also think the roster a good balance of experienced heads and solid leadership that could really be the jumping off point for Tyreke in his career.

Lowry / Lucas / Wroten
Evans / Anderson
Gay / Fields / Kleiza
Davis / Johnson
Valanciunas / Thompson / Gray

I know there is nothing new in the idea of going after Evans or Gay but let me know you thoughts on the deals from all sides and how the raptors line-up after the deals.


These look like really good deals I would do them for sure. Makes us young very athletic long and can play defence. The depth is still solid as well.
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#473 » by Cipoteman » Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:12 am

To PHI

Demar DeRozan


To TOR

Thad Young
2014's 1st round draft pick
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#474 » by HolyMage110 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:45 am

Trade
DD Bargs Lowry Calderon Fields
for crappy players and picks and tank for next season for a shot at Wiggins.
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#475 » by bboyskinnylegs » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:05 am

I hope some trades happen soon so we have new players to be disappointed with.
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#476 » by TheGoodDoctor » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:20 am

I just hope we are targeting Gordon, Gay and Tyreke.
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#477 » by carl_english » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:23 am

Cipoteman wrote:To PHI

Demar DeRozan


To TOR

Thad Young
2014's 1st round draft pick

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: TAKE IT AND RUN
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#478 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:23 am

I'd put everyone on the trade block to be honest, even Valanciunas, but only if he'd bring in a prime talent or a top 5 pick. Otherwise, I'd take Val off the block.
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#479 » by TheGoodDoctor » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:55 am

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:I'd put everyone on the trade block to be honest, even Valanciunas, but only if he'd bring in a prime talent or a top 5 pick. Otherwise, I'd take Val off the block.


I just said this in another thread.

I hate bringing up Drummond but damn had we drafted him I really think we could have easily flipped Valanciunas for Harden and that's really where I wish we would go with this. Personally I don't see our management or ownership having the balls to trade for picks so instead I'm just hoping we trade for players like a Harden that have at least the potential to break out (ie/ Gordon, Tyreke and Gay)....admittingly the more Gordon plays the less likely I think he's even touchable because he's a stud who is going to break out just like Harden but I would still try to find some gambles around the league.

Our management absolutely will not commit to a true rebuild so let's all please accept that. The reality is we have to now try and take some gambles in our trades for the most part and of course our draft picks (after this year) on some upside and damn the risk already.
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#480 » by ballislife » Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:19 am

Calderon + DeRozan + filler if needed (not Davis or Ross)

for

Rudy Gay + a backup PG

That should be enough to pry Rudy away from Memphis. He might be happy here playing with his good friend Lowry. I just feel we need to get the best out of DeRozan's contract. He's signed for the long term, and he's a good, young player (in NBA teams eyes)... Calderon is one of the better pure PGs with a nice expiring going forward. I dont see why this deal isnt possible... unless Memphis absolutely hates DeRozan. I think the only thing holding this deal back is BC's love for DD, the same way he's loved Bargs over the years.
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Post#481 » by WigginsNation » Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:29 am

Los Manos wrote:So how about these two simple trades which I think make sense for each team, first with Sacramento:

Terrence Ross + Andrea Bargnani for Tyreke Evans + Jason Thompson

I don't want to lose Ross but this deal makes a lot of sense for Sac. They don't have to overpay for Evans and in return get a big man to stretch the floor next to Cousins which they currently don't have and with the move to Seattle they get a home state kid full of upside. Someone to market to the new fans and generate excitement with his style of play. I did originally have Salmons in instead of Thompson but if you could squeeze him out of Sac then we have a solid rotation of bigs moving forward.

and now to Memphis:

Calderon + DeRozan for Rudy Gay + Tony Wroten

Memphis get below the luxury tax and gain a starting two guard along with short-term PG help to reinforce their backcourt. This gets Memphis exactly what they need, tax relief and immediate help along with upside in DeRozan.

Both these deals have a whole lot to like for all teams involved and aren't over complicated. I want to move forward with our front court rotation of JV, Ed & Amir with Lowry at the point. The relationship that exists already between Lowry & Gay would make me a whole lot calmer on the idea of Lowry re-signing here. I also think the roster a good balance of experienced heads and solid leadership that could really be the jumping off point for Tyreke in his career.

Lowry / Lucas / Wroten
Evans / Anderson
Gay / Fields / Kleiza
Davis / Johnson
Valanciunas / Thompson / Gray

I know there is nothing new in the idea of going after Evans or Gay but let me know you thoughts on the deals from all sides and how the raptors line-up after the deals.



Very well thought out. I like the ideas, if only it could come true.
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#482 » by StopitLeo » Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:01 pm

Does anyone think Lowry will be able to run a proper pick and roll next year? Because so far this year he has been terrible. I am inclined to hold onto him because his cost/value is better than anyone else we could trade for or sign, but for the same reason he has good trade value.

Lowry and Jose, ironically, have the best trade value on the team IMO. They should be the keys to any deal for Bargnani or DeRozan (if we can unload that contract, I'll take Ross at 1/5th the price thanks).

I like the proposed Memphis trade above. For the Sac trade though I'd rather move Lowry than Ross. Not sure that they want to part with Thompson given what Robinson has shown. Nevertheless, how about:

Bargnani + Lowry = Evans + Thompson + Brooks
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#483 » by torsport » Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:55 pm

Early this season I was with most posters at tweaking the roster with better than average talent at the positions we have: ie Milsap, Lowry, Ilyasova, Evans, etc.

There was another poster that has convinced me otherwise. You do whatever you can to land an allstar talent and figure out the rest later. Cuban had mentioned this as his philosophy as well,and looking at Houston I think it is the best way to go. I mean is Lin, Asik, Patterson, Morris or Parsons really anything better than above average role players?

So if someone like Harden is available you pay the asking price and build around that talent.

Not sure who is available that fits that description: Love, Cousins and anyone is available in a package to get them: JV, Ross, Lowry, it doesn't matter. Championships are never won without all stars and we have none.
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Re: 2012-13 Toronto Raptors Trade Idea Thread Part II 

Post#484 » by ash_k » Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:55 pm

A trade cannot happen soon enough.

A Frontline of Acy, Amir, Ed and JV moving forward looks very solid and promising
Keep Ross.

The rest can be traded
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Post#485 » by Kenyon009 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:02 pm

I would trade everyone other than JV and clean out the front office load up on picks and draft well. Develop home grown talent and maybe in3 years we can sniff a championship contender and win one in five. Trading for Lowry set us back a year and the bad tank job by Casey. Trade assets for picks and stock up on lotto picks. Then you tank as hard as you can hoping for one of Julius Randle, Wiggins, or Parker. If you're the worst team in the league that's a 75% chance. Then you can tank the following year while developing JV and hopefully Wiggins. Trade the remaining picks for a disgruntled star like Russell Westbrook (A guy who might get tired of playing with Durant. Then sign players in the free agency to fill in the gaps and have decent role players.

JV
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Wiggins
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