DHK wrote:Phenomenologist wrote:Hero wrote:Not only does Drummond have amazing potential and has had some monster game this year against quality opponents, he is also very consistent in his play. Every time I look at his performances I can't help but be wowed. At 8th pick we didn't go for the obvious choice and instead reached. Another horrible move for a horrible franchise.
Taking Ross over Drummond was basically Araujo all over again. Except it's even worse this time because I would argue that perennial all-star vs borderline starter is worse than solid starter versus non-NBA player.
Oh, and that quote by BC is obvious spin; there is no way even BC is that dumb. I hate the guy, but if he knew the results, he would have trammed Drummond in a heartbeat, fit/developing two bigs/etc. be damned.
And where is that moron kurtz? Yah, he's already got a man's body, so despite the fact that he's only 19, he won't be improving his body at all going forward. Sigh, why can't people understand gradations?
No..Araujo is a special case..
You're blowing it out of porportion.
Nobody expected Araujo to be picked that high, he was projected in the late 20's or even in the 2nd round in the mock drafts. The pick came out of nowhere. He was stiff, unproven, had no skills outside of a big frame a soft jumper. Ross was actually projected to be picked by the low-mid teens. So it wasnt a far of a reach.
Given the circumstances right now, sure, I'd pick Drummond over Ross 10/10 times however, knowing you had 3 young bigs, Bargnani was a player the Raptors were still high on, of those bigs, two are invested in Amir/Val, one of which have already proven to be solid and another expected to be top tier of C with seasoning; it doesnt make sense to pick him at that time. It doesnt make sense unless youre trying to package a young player + assets for a stud. And there was no one actively trading around a sure thing/stud player ( Harden was not made available since he wasnt even in negotiations for a new contract at that point).
Let's say we did pick Drummond, where does it guarantee success that the growth he's having in Detroit would equate to the growth he would have here? Drummond is progressing nicely since as stubborn as Lawrence Frank is, he gets spot up minutes since after Monroe and Maxiell, there isnt much (CV has been a surprise this season but a complete afterthought going into it), and he's used to minutes to his fullest.
Going into the season, you're look at Drummond behind 4 big men. Where is the minutes allocated to Drummond in that case? Garbage minutes? It's comparable to the Miinny situation where they were picking PGs although their PG line was full or even the Philly situation with Vucevic (somewhat comparable). There is no guarantee he would have sprouted the same way as he is in Detroit. Granted he is still a special talent but the situation he is in is all too perfect for him.
This is all hindsight and absolutely ridiculous. It's perfectly reasonable to be a fan of Drummond. It's also perfectly reasonable to hate BC (I hate him too). It is not perfectly reasonable to go look "Why the hell didnt we pick Drummond look at him flourish and killing everyone, and coming to his own form OMG" and making OT threads about how much of a mistake and how pitiful this franchise is for passing up on him. If you want to follow that trend, might as welll make continuous threads about why we passed on Rondo, Ginobili, Parker, Millsap, Granger, Iggy etc. You can look at a player going into a draft and speculate "oh that kid's got talent, he's going to be something special in the league" however that doesnt equate to the player guaranteed 100% to being someone special and panning out exactly as his potential dictates (ie see Gerald Green for example)
Seriously, why cant Raptor fans (and by quoting you I'm not directly pointing at you) just cheer for the damn players on the team like fans are supposed to instead of making continual complaints about what we could of had, or what we dont have better.
It's worse then Aroujo pick...
At the time we drafted Aroujo we had veteran team with the star player( vince Carter) and we needed a backup center. Aroujo might have been a reach at 8, but he had solid college career and was one the best rebounders in college and probably the strongest guy in the draft. We were team ready to contend for playoff and had a roster need to fill, besides the management that drafted Aroujo had only two weeks to make that decision. On the other hand this current Raptor team are nowhere near contending for anything other then late to mid lottery for next couple of years, so when big man who was supposed to go top 3 in the draft and before he entered college was considered one of the best high school prospects for a while becomes available you draft him.. you don't pass him up for a 21 year sg/sf who would have been available late lottery or in the 20's.
Also Iggy was never considered top 3 prospect and his impact on the game will never be as valuable as Drummond, even if drummond becomes nothing more then athletic defensive center like DeAndre Jordan...
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