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YogiStewart wrote:again, as Joe Fan, you are limited to what people know behind the scene. you really are. there are so many layers to the media, sources, athletes, etc. what you hear is usually what someone WANTS you to hear. you aren't going to hear the real dirt and rumours. so if someone like Givony - who has his finger on the pulse of NCAA and European ball like few do - says there are red flags, then he knows something legitimate.
Um, no. I live about 25 minutes from where Drummond grew up. Rumors spread like wildfire in a relatively small community, and there wasn't ever a peep about this kid. I know people from his middle school and first high school teams, and I'm friends with the brother of one of the guys he played aau with. All you ever heard was that Andre was a cool, fun loving kid who had skills that needed to be worked on, but that he was basically going to be a beast. He's been under a microscope for like 6 years now and the UConn press contingent is merciless in their coverage because UConn basically is
Connecticut's professional team.
don't follow Givony. he has more hits than misses and, while he may occasionally be wrong, he's usually bang on. go look at his predicted draft board year in and year out. he's never far off.
I won't. Big deal, he does a decent job of predicting the order in which people will be drafted. A lot of people on RealGM do that year in year out. That's not important, what's important is making a proper assessment of a player, how they'll project and how they'll fit with the squad that's supposed to draft them. If you think Draftexpress is impressive in that regard then I feel sorry for you. All he did was build a pulpit that allows him to seem more prominent in the basketball world than he probably should be.
And Givony is definitely responsible for advancing the idea that Drummond doesn't have enough of a passion for basketball, he did it with the Herb Pope thing (check out the tweets on the left http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Her ... s/leaders/
) and he did it in the predraft interviews.
Then I'll ask you this - what did you hear about Lamb or from Kemba Walker? I don't disagree with you but there were storries about both of them and I am curious if you heard anything.
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I don't really know what stories you're referencing with Lamb or Kemba tbh. If you're asking about basketball, I always felt like those guys' "red flags" basketball wise were a lot more glaring and the concerns more valid (Kemba being considered not a good enough 3pt shooter or how he'd adjust playing the point instead of being a scoring guard and Lamb being considered too frail or not assertive enough).
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Here's some fun masochism: What teams do you think would not give up their unprotected 2013 1st rounder, today, for Drummond?
Even worse, comes 2014 when Wiggins is about to go 1st overall and some deluded fans are talking about how we could trade Ross, Derozan, the 2015 1st and the 13th pick to move up to 1 and take Wiggins, we'll know that we'd actually have been in a position to make a strong move for Wiggins if we had just taken Drummond and retained our 2013 pick instead of traded it for 2 cheapish years of Lowry, who will either leave that summer or need to be paid 11 or 12 to stick around.
I wrote this at the time, but I still can't believe Colangelo didn't pick Drummond, make the offer to Lin the Rockets eventually did (which posters here were discussing for months), hand Drummond and Jonas V 25 minutes a piece, Lin the ball and get ready for 2 years of fun but losing ball and get some swingmen to go with those 3. Add whatever assets you get back for Amir Johnson, Ed Davis Calderon and Bargnani, amnesty Kleiza, the cap space for the next 2 summers and you've got something like:
Bigs (Around 12 million): 1-Drummond 2-Jonas V, 3-MLE
Wings (Around 18 million) : 1-2013 1st, 2-2014 1st, 3-Max Free Agent/Big Salary in trade
Guards (Around 15 million): 1 - Lin, 2- FA for 3-4 million
That's a team with 12-15 million to spend on raises for the RFA's when the bigs need to be paid. The space in the meantime even be banked for future luxury tax payments if MLSE demands it.
Does anyone think that would have required a genius?
It would have meant patience while we lost 120 games the next two years and getting 2 very good players from the 2 top 10 picks, massive cap space and (less likely) from the 4 tradeable veteran pieces. And most crucially, it would have meant canning Colangelo and hiring someone hoping to turn the team into a conference contender but being willing to wait 4 or 5 years, instead of looking to turn us into a contender to lose in 5 in Round 1 right away.*
*The Raptors have a 26.9% chance to make the playoffs at this time!
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Y'know what's really scary? Drummond's not even muscular right now. He's just a rookie - gonna fill out.
And then ...
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NO SURPRISE DRUMMOND GOT ANOTHER DOUBLE DOUBLE AGAINST THE MAGIC TODAY
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It doesn't matter if he's dunking. Dunking is all eye candy. He's talented? It doesn't matter. The most important thing when targeting basketball players is their mental make up. Basketball is a mental game, the physical talent is actually used 5% of the time.
Jahidi White 2.0. Ross>>>>>Drummond
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http://www.ctpost.com/uconn/article/Kev ... 215029.php
In his past 10 games, including that personal dunk contest against Boston's aging frontcourt, Drummond has averaged 10.1 points, 8.8 rebounds and 1.9 blocks while shooting a staggering 72.6 percent from the field. Against superior competition -- we're talking K.G., not Fab Melo -- his stats are slightly more impressive than they were in Storrs last winter.
Meanwhile, Thomas Robinson, drafted fifth by Sacramento, has one double-double in 38 games. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, who the Bobcats tabbed with the second pick, has been -- as predicted -- solid yet unspectacular. And Toronto's Terrence Ross, a 6-foot-7 wing (which are a dime a dozen), has been rather inconsistent: He scored 26 points on Jan. 2; then a combined 14 points over his next seven games. Ross came off the board one pick before Drummond.
"We certainly recognized the extraordinary talent that Andre has," said Raptors G.M. Bryan Colangelo, "but the fit just wasn't right for our team given that we had previously drafted another young project big man in Jonas Valanciunas."
Ah, the project big man. Valanciunas showed promise before breaking his right ring finger in December. As for Drummond? According to several media outlets, he has the highest efficiency rating of any teenager in NBA history.
So, yes, sometime within the next few years, fanbases in Toronto, Sacramento and maybe even Cleveland and Charlotte will regret their GM's move in the 2012 draft. My question: Can you blame them?
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You guys wake up on his d*** at least have some breakfast first
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I remember a poster here said this: "**** fit"
I wish my team grabbed him, but there is no use in whining anymore. Just hope your team gets the next steal.
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david5773 wrote:You guys wake up on his d*** at least have some breakfast first
yer sig and avatar are depressing, broh. damn.
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**** man, I lament every night not having Drummond. Valanciunas and Drummound would have been tremendous together.
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Yeah this place really needed another Drummond thread
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