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Derozan Extension: What Were They Thinking?

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Re: Derozan Extension: What Were They Thinking? 

Post#46 » by deeps6x » Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:47 am

raptorfan416 wrote:raptor fans i tell you.. THE SAME THING WAS SAID ABOUT AMIR WHEN BC GAVE HIM THAT CONTRACT.. now who's saying anything about amir contract ? remember when people on here saying use the amnesty on amir ? raptor fans need to stop b#tching and crying after every loss. yes i know the losing is fustrating but my god after every damn time we lose a game it's 6 topics about a certain player being over paid or how crap that player is.. nobody says nothing when the team is winning, but the moment we loose a game all of a sudden it's this player is garbage, he can't do this he can't do that, the next time that same player goes on a run like jose did it's resign him, he's beast :-? face facts here most of the teams in the league got overpaid players on their roster... when the team is winning nobody is saying nothing but once the team loses a game it's who's on copping block now, if it's not brags its demar, if it's not demar its lowry, if it's not lowry its jose, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP THE F*CKING BITCHING,THE CRYING AND CALLING OUT RANDOM PLAYERS AFTER EVERY LOST.. this team on a whole is an inconsistent team. name one consistent player on this team ? i rest my case.


The doude who posted right before you is saying that about Amir. I totally disagree. Amir IS worth that contract. I will also say that I also believed he was overpaid when he got it. I'm hoping DD keeps improving and starts to earn his extension next season. He has looked good against the crap teams this year, but very average against playoff teams.

The one consistent theme after all of the games, wins or losses, has been the BS refereeing. Stats prove it up as well with the Raptors being the most penalized team in the league by a healthy margin. This bias must stop. Bring in an unlimited challenge flag next season. We need a 'fairness' rule change like they have in the NFL. There, the refs know they can't get away with this crap because they can be challenged and embarrassed on National TV. Here, we just have a bunch of sap announcers making excuses for the refs. Call them out when they blow a call Devlin!
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Re: Derozan Extension: What Were They Thinking? 

Post#47 » by Death Knight » Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:00 am

DHK wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... lri01.html
Hamilton did suddenly develop a dangerous 3pt shot later in his careers; stats dont lie and made absolute strides after his initial struggle with the Wizards from offensive and defensive point of view. He was trying to do too much on the wizards and he was the focal player opponents tried to shut down and thus he struggled mightily and was inefficient as we're seeing from Demar.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... ela01.html
Hughes was wildly inconsistent his entire career yes but there was a small time frame 2-3 seasons where he just "clicked" in his 5th-7th seasons and he was quite efficient offensively although he was mediocre at best defensively. He's a player that Demar may become; a player highly touted but never lived up to his full potential that people initially had of him coming into the NBA.

The point of these two comparisons is to say there's hope for Demar and stating that there's good chance he ends up being a solid starter for a solid team and he's infact not a "scrub" as some people suggest here.


You're right, stats don't lie. Look at the stats then. They don't support your points at all.

Hamilton was wildly inconsistenty with hsi 3pt shot. Quite frankly he never took enough and made enough to qualify. But even if he did, look at those inconsistent percentages!

Hamilton 3pt shooting, rookie - current.
36.4%
27.4%
38.1%
26.9%
26.5%
30.5%
45.8%
34.1%
44.0%
36.8%
29.7%
38.2%
37.0%
40.7%

Do those look like consistent 3pt shooting to you? How do you go from 45.8% to 34.1% the next, and then 44%, only to go back down to 36.8%, eventually 29.6%, etc. And as a matter of fact if you pay more attention, Hamilton is a career 34.9% 3pt shooter. He was already shooting above his career average in his 1st year at 36.4%. He dropped his 2nd year, but went up again in his 3rd year, etc....nothing really changed with his 3pt shot for much of his career. There was no real development in it. He was an inconsistent 3pt shooter.

Hughes. So you're hoping for 2-3 year good years from DeRozan in a potentially 12-15+ year career? That's good enough for you?

EDIT: sorry for the edits. I keep having to go back on punctuations. Whatever.............if there's anymore, I'm just going to leave. You should get the point anyways.
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Re: Derozan Extension: What Were They Thinking? 

Post#48 » by Wo1verine » Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:01 am

The deal was horrible then and is still horrible now..
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Post#49 » by Throwback24 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:02 am

Someone should bump the extension thread and you'll see a vocal minority that were VERY adament against the extension, me included.

BC should be fired for giving this non-starter an extension. He isn't worth more than the MLE.
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Post#50 » by ROBBS » Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:06 am

Derozan seems like a system guy. Let's throw some money at Jerry Sloan.
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Post#51 » by TheForrestCity » Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:09 am

Bad drafting once again by BC... We passed on Holiday and JennIngs
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Re: Derozan Extension: What Were They Thinking? 

Post#52 » by DHK » Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:14 am

Death Knight wrote:
DHK wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... lri01.html
Hamilton did suddenly develop a dangerous 3pt shot later in his careers; stats dont lie and made absolute strides after his initial struggle with the Wizards from offensive and defensive point of view. He was trying to do too much on the wizards and he was the focal player opponents tried to shut down and thus he struggled mightily and was inefficient as we're seeing from Demar.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... ela01.html
Hughes was wildly inconsistent his entire career yes but there was a small time frame 2-3 seasons where he just "clicked" in his 5th-7th seasons and he was quite efficient offensively although he was mediocre at best defensively. He's a player that Demar may become; a player highly touted but never lived up to his full potential that people initially had of him coming into the NBA.

The point of these two comparisons is to say there's hope for Demar and stating that there's good chance he ends up being a solid starter for a solid team and he's infact not a "scrub" as some people suggest here.


You're right, stats don't lie. Look at the stats then. They don't support your points at all.

Hamilton was wildly inconsistenty with hsi 3pt shot. Quite frankly he never took enough and made enough to qualify. But even if he did, look at those inconsistent percentages!

Hamilton 3pt shooting, rookie - current.
36.4%
27.4%
38.1%
26.9%
26.5%
30.5%
45.8%
34.1%
44.0%
36.8%
29.7%
38.2%
37.0%
40.7%

Do those look like consistent 3pt shooting to you? How do you go from 45.8% to 34.1% the next, and then 44%, only to go back down to 36.8%, eventually 29.6%, etc. And as a matter of fact if you pay more attention, Hamilton is a career 34.9% 3pt shooter. He was already shooting above his career average in his 1st year at 36.4%. He dropped his 2nd year, but went up again in his 3rd year, etc....nothing really changed with his 3pt shot for much of his career. There was no real development in it. He was an inconsistent 3pt shooter.

Hughes. So you're hoping for 2-3 year good years from DeRozan in a potentially 12-15+ year career? That's good enough for you?

EDIT: sorry for the edits. I keep having to go back on punctuations. Whatever.............if there's anymore, I'm just going to leave. You should get the point anyways.

I do have a rebuttal unfortunately...haha
But yes, let's just agree to disagree, although I do understand your perspective and know the logic behind that train of thought, which is valid.
but youre right I try to be as optimistic as a raps fan can be because theres no gain just giving up and showing outright hatred for players as much as I hate the attributes of certain players on the team.
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Re: Derozan Extension: What Were They Thinking? 

Post#53 » by Master Ze » Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:19 am

TheForrestCity wrote:Bad drafting once again by BC... We passed on Holiday and JennIngs

I don't consider Jennings to be a slip, he's a score first point guard who hasn't managed to shoot 40% on his career. There's a reason the Bucks didn't offer him an extension. Holiday and Lawson would've been great but Demar wasn't a waste of a pick. He'd make a good role player but offering him 9.5M per season is nuts.

People did change their perception on Amir's contract but unless Demar somehow starts playing above-average his contract will haunt this team.
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Re: Derozan Extension: What Were They Thinking? 

Post#54 » by DHK » Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:21 am

TheForrestCity wrote:Bad drafting once again by BC... We passed on Holiday and JennIngs

More like Lawson and Holiday haha.
I still dont' get the hype behind jennings; he's just an above average player in my eyes. It has to do with circumstance though, the same reason why we passed on Drummond; due to the fact that we were loaded at that position, we lacked a SG after giving up Anthony Parker so picked based on need/best fit. I can't help but laugh at the fact that Calderon in a way has beaten his competition of players who would have beaten him for the starting PG by playing well enough to warrant BC to not pick a PG.
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Post#55 » by Greg Stink » Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:30 am

I remember BC saying he loved Holiday but he wanted a wing and he liked Demar.
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Post#56 » by StopitLeo » Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:41 pm

It was the same mentality that led to "locking up" Bargnani.
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Post#57 » by J-Roc » Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:51 pm

StatLine wrote:Mediocre players around the league should be lining up to play for Toronto. Colangelo loves to overrate his guys and overpay.


Looking back, BC's "Euro" experiment was a better bad idea than this mediocre player experiment.
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Post#58 » by Crazy-Canuck » Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:08 pm

DD got paid handsomely for being annointed the face of franchise.
Franchise player=franchise salary

Thats what BC, Goodwin and DD were thinking.
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Post#59 » by Olufsen » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:21 pm

why couldn't BC at least wait for the offseason to sign him? smh :nonono:
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Post#60 » by HSOB SIRHC » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:40 pm

I just hope Ross isn't the one to go if BC decides to make a trade. Even though Ross isn't a young rookie, I feel he'll be the better all-around player between the two.
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Post#61 » by Crazy-Canuck » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:47 pm

HSOB SIRHC wrote:I just hope Ross isn't the one to go if BC decides to make a trade. Even though Ross isn't a young rookie, I feel he'll be the better all-around player between the two.


DD is still the better player right now, but Ross is clearly the better defender right now as a rookie.

Biggest problem right now is that DD is being featured as a no.1 guy with a team bereft of any off. talent.
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Re: Derozan Extension: What Were They Thinking? 

Post#62 » by Mack11 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:12 pm

Lock him up before he blows up and asks for more

Stupid way of doing it cause it takes the fire for a player to improve. Now hes paid he has nothing to worry about
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Post#63 » by pkiskool » Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:27 pm

What can we say, us Canucks just love paying more than Americans.
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