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Derozan's BS "work ethic"

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Re: Derozan's BS "work ethic" 

Post#16 » by Indeed » Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:35 am

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Not sure why we need another thread for the same discussion. There was discussion about off game hard working vs in game mental toughness.
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Re: Derozan's BS "work ethic" 

Post#17 » by Bankai » Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:49 am

He does work hard but he was too raw to begin with. Its like starting a 100m dash, 10m behind the rest. Lots of ground to cover.
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Post#18 » by UcanUwill » Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:54 am

No one here knows how hard or not hard he works. Work you put into is just a one thing.

PS. Lance had his whole huge confession the other day, and people are talking how much of the fraud Manti Te'o is?
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Post#19 » by C_Money » Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:01 am

It doesn't matter how hard you work if you don't do the right things.

Demar likes to play pick-up games with Brandon Jennings all summer and neither one of them has improved from their rookie seasons.

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Post#20 » by darth_federer » Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:05 am

BC said this a couple of years ago when talking about his work ethic. It isnt how hard you work but how smart you work. There is no doubt that Derozan puts in the time but is he being efficient? In some ways its counterproductive for him to spend 3 hours in a gym after a game late at night when he has a game the next day.
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Re: Derozan's BS "work ethic" 

Post#21 » by gamer4Life » Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:24 am

Left Side Drive wrote:
ROBBS wrote:How funny. VC had superstar talent but criticized for work ethic, drive, and the like. Demar comes along with those things reversed

And it is obvious who we like more...talent wins games


Who do we like more?
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Post#22 » by bonjovi0308 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:12 am

Work ethic has nth to do with talent. U can mock his talent, but dont mock on someones work ethic
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Post#23 » by Oakville_Raptor » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:47 am

gamer4Life wrote:
Left Side Drive wrote:
ROBBS wrote:How funny. VC had superstar talent but criticized for work ethic, drive, and the like. Demar comes along with those things reversed

And it is obvious who we like more...talent wins games


Who do we like more?


Real Raptors fans obviously like Vince more.
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Post#24 » by Volcano » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:11 pm

I love it how stupid people overrate players and then cry when they don't meet expectations
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Post#25 » by raptorfan416 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:19 pm

Volcano wrote:I love it how stupid people overrate players and then cry when they don't meet expectations
so true :lol: I've said it before and i'll say it again i blame the organization for this this. demar is not a go to scorer so why are they trying to make him the man here ? the fact that demar is our go to scorer should tell you how much this team lack's talent. people on here over hyped him because the organization told you he was the man here.. lets be real here for a second, demar never had the skill set to be a go to top scorer in this league. there's NOTHING WRONG with his work ethic, he actually puts the work in the gym reason why he's put on muscle and went to work out with team USA. demar is not like brags, brags actually has the skills to be a top player in this league, brags was picked number 1 because he has the skills needed to be the man, he just doesn't give a sh*t!!!!!. demar on the other hand was supposed to be a 6th man type of player.. why do you think he was picked 9th and not higher ? he was picked 9th because he had a lot of weaknesses in his game. there's nothing wrong with his work ethic , he just doesn't have they skills needed to be a go to player in the NBA... i don't know why people on here act as if demar is some kind of huge disappointment, when in reality he went 9th for a reason, if he was supposed to be the player you guys think he should be we would not have gotten him with the 9th pick... he is what i expected him to be and thats A 6TH MAN TYPE OF PLAYER, you guys are still drinking the crap BC is selling you, then you start expecting way too much from players that are not expected to play at that level. you see the people on here talking about Vince was way better than demar.. NO SH*T SMART GUY. Vince went 5th in the draft but you can actually say he went 4th because we traded the 4th pick Antawn Jamison for him..coming out of college Vince carter had what it takes to be the man, that's why he was picked 4th and not 9th like demar. im so happy the NHL is back so these puck heads that come on here and act as if they know basketball can go back to following the NHL.
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Post#26 » by erekose200 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:16 pm

His B-ball IQ is just too low.. work ethic cannot overcome it.
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Post#27 » by StopitLeo » Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:25 pm

I don't doubt he works hard. The problem is that players don't get significantly better after their rookie contract (so 3 years or so). Paying him $10M thinking he will become a $10M player is ridiculous. He is going to be $4-5M overpaid.

Seriously, when has a guy taken a huge leap after their rookie deal? BC did this with Andrea and DeMar. Neither is an allstar level guy and that was obvious before the time came to extend either.
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Post#28 » by mango2209 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:12 pm

I still believe he works hard.... the problem is that he's getting more attention by the other team's defense and he can't adjust. He has poor handles and is struggling to get into the lane. All he can really do now is shoot jumpers off screens. He doesn't even post up much anymore. He really needs to improve his game more.
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Post#29 » by revvolutions » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:14 pm

Work smart, not hard. I don't doubt that he spends hours in the gym and on film, but what is he picking up, and what is he focusing on, other than shooting long 2s?

What's frustrating is how he'll pick something up, and stop doing the other thing he he did before that made him a presentable player, he isn't building up a set of skills, he just trades one skill for another.

Moreover, he is mentally weak and whiny, not the type to get up and hustle for a rebound to make a second attempt on his shot, but to whine and expect the call to go his way, it's beyond irritating to watch at this point. Not the type to embrace adversity, double teams or even push the damn ball. YOU ARE NOT A STAR, DON'T EXPECT THE CALL, EVER. (The whole team seems to think this too, losers put your head down and stop getting in these situations up 19-17 points, I'm looking at you Casey.)

On defense it's like having a fusion of the defense of calderon and lowry, matador you to your favourite spot, then gamble for a steal.

And then we come to Colangelo, he only knows one way to bring up his draft picks, and that's to coddle them with too much too soon, every **** ing time. Neither Bargnani or Derozan have had to fight for that starting spot, or had it threatened so they've developed in a certain way.


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Post#30 » by MoneyMo » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:17 pm

Vince Carter came into this league with no 3pt shot and limited ball handling skills. He worked on it the first few off-seasons in this league and became a superstar. DeRozan has the same flaws he's always had so I don't see how you can say he has a better work ethic then Carter when he's shown virtually zero improvement.
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Post#31 » by raptorfan416 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:29 pm

Tanger wrote:I don't doubt he works hard. The problem is that players don't get significantly better after their rookie contract (so 3 years or so). Paying him $10M thinking he will become a $10M player is ridiculous. He is going to be $4-5M overpaid.

Seriously, when has a guy taken a huge leap after their rookie deal? BC did this with Andrea and DeMar. Neither is an allstar level guy and that was obvious before the time came to extend either.
so you blame demar for being overpaid ? :lol: that's the problem with sport fans, they're quick to blame a player for not playing up to the contract that was thrown at them. what do you expect him to say no thanks BC keep the money ? demar is what he is, he's playing to the best of his god given ability. I'd be mad if he was just standing around every game and not doing anything. this is is skill set, look what was said about him when he came out of college... people on here are expecting this guy to be on the same level with these top players in this league when he was NEVER expected to be that good... i really don't see why people are going off about demar's play. demar is not an all star, if he make's the all star team i would say he's over achieving.. you can't put demar on the same level with brags and players like kwame brown. those players were expected to be star's. coming out of the Italian league and collage these guy showed they had what it takes to run a team, then they came into the NBA and just relax and couldn't cut it. demar on the other was never expected to lead a team or be a go to player so i don't understand why all of a sudden people expect him to be some kind of elite player when nothing from his college career indicated that he would be that kind of player.. some people on here are starting to sound like the elderly, b*tching and crying after every loss, its lowry's fault, it demar's fault, it andrea's fault, it's casey fault, NO THE TEAM IS CRAP, WE LACK TALENT< MORE THAN 95% OF THE TEAMS WE'VE BEATEN WERE SUB 500 TEAMS :lol: SO WHAT ARE YOU SHOCKED ABOUT ? I DON'T GET IT.
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Post#32 » by BirdmanPresents » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:30 pm

Talk to the literaly tens of thousand of highschool or college players who don't make it pro despite having tremendous work ethics. Work ethic when it comes to proffesional sports doesn't count only how hard he works today, but how hard he's worked his entire life which is what pays off. Different oppourtunities and scenarios play a huge part in a players development when they are younger as well. This is when hard work transforms to talent at the younger ages. Once you've gone through college and a couple seasons in the NBA, you are who you are. Hard work can only make you marginally better (which over the course of a career can be a big thing, but like the Dr. mentioned not night and day changes).
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Post#33 » by ronleroy » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:32 pm

SalamiNCheez wrote:Blood, sweat and tears doesn't always produce positive results. DeRozan just doesn't have it.


yeap, fools certain people on this board, but i never beleived in him. He's 8th pick, at best he is a 7 or 8th man off the bench.
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Post#34 » by raptorfan416 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:42 pm

MoneyMo wrote:Vince Carter came into this league with no 3pt shot and limited ball handling skills. He worked on it the first few off-seasons in this league and became a superstar. DeRozan has the same flaws he's always had so I don't see how you can say he has a better work ethic then Carter when he's shown virtually zero improvement.
you trying to tell me demar was as talented as vince carter coming out of college ? :lol: please go back to the NHL section with the delusional leaf fans... not only was vince a better player but he had a more NBA ready body.. did you ever see vince in person when he played for the raptors ? he was taller than demar, had longer arms and he hand an NBA ready body.

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Post#35 » by Big Shot » Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:45 pm

MoneyMo wrote:Vince Carter came into this league with no 3pt shot and limited ball handling skills. He worked on it the first few off-seasons in this league and became a superstar. DeRozan has the same flaws he's always had so I don't see how you can say he has a better work ethic then Carter when he's shown virtually zero improvement.


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