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MEM/CLE trade: Speights on the move, Griz escape Lux tax

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Re: MEM/CLE trade: Speights on the move, Griz escape Lux tax 

Post#81 » by YogiStewart » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:09 pm

sanity wrote:Our drafts are always ****. Even picking Davis was stupid based on already having both Bosh and Bargnani on the roster--we were fortunate Davis in hindsight isn't a bad pick based on our current situation, but we never worked him out during that draft. Even going as far back as selecting Villanueva was dumb in expecting either him or Bosh exclusively playing the 5



too indifferent to look, but I'm betting you're also whining in the Drummond thread that we didn't take the BPA.
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Re: MEM/CLE trade: Speights on the move, Griz escape Lux tax 

Post#82 » by Bankai » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:14 pm

sanity wrote:Our drafts are always ****. Even picking Davis was stupid based on already having both Bosh and Bargnani on the roster--we were fortunate Davis in hindsight isn't a bad pick based on our current situation, but we never worked him out during that draft. Even going as far back as selecting Villanueva was dumb in expecting either him or Bosh exclusively playing the 5

We picked Davis because Bosh already made it clear he was going to Miami . Davis was basically picked as a Bosh/PF replacement, and he was the BPA at the time. Yea we didnt work him out, but we were fortunate that Davis slid to #13.

Besides Irving which was a no brainer, the other ones were questionable. But if they get better at scouting and signing talent they could easily have a better future than the Raptors. They already have a premier talent to build around, something the Raptors dont have just need a better supporting cast, which they currently dont have.
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Re: MEM/CLE trade: Speights on the move, Griz escape Lux tax 

Post#83 » by dTox » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:19 pm

Bankai wrote:
sanity wrote:Our drafts are always ****. Even picking Davis was stupid based on already having both Bosh and Bargnani on the roster--we were fortunate Davis in hindsight isn't a bad pick based on our current situation, but we never worked him out during that draft. Even going as far back as selecting Villanueva was dumb in expecting either him or Bosh exclusively playing the 5

We picked Davis because Bosh already made it clear he was going to Miami . Davis was basically picked as a Bosh/PF replacement, and he was the BPA at the time. Yea we didnt work him out, but we were fortunate that Davis slid to #13.


Especially when you consider some of the other players picked ahead of him: Udoh, Hayward, Alrich, Henry, Aminu, Wes Johnson...Davis being there for us was nothing short of a Miracle which resulted from him breaking his hand in NC
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Re: MEM/CLE trade: Speights on the move, Griz escape Lux tax 

Post#84 » by Chaos Engine » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:19 pm

Cleveland did something similar a few years back when they took on Davis' horrible contract but got a first round pick which ended up turning into Kyrie. They know what to do during a rebuild, use your capspace to take on players and contracts while adding more and more draft picks.

Meanwhile BC relies on FA to try and rebuild the team.
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Re: MEM/CLE trade: Speights on the move, Griz escape Lux tax 

Post#85 » by JV4MVP » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:20 pm

It is such a disadvantage to be a small market team. The Grizzlies are contenders for the West alongside the Thunder, Clippers and Spurs.

I can't see them being very competitive after this season... they're only going to downgrade consider the $50,000,000 per season liability to Gasol, Randolph and Gay.
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Re: MEM/CLE trade: Speights on the move, Griz escape Lux tax 

Post#86 » by sanity » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:32 pm

YogiStewart wrote:
sanity wrote:Our drafts are always ****. Even picking Davis was stupid based on already having both Bosh and Bargnani on the roster--we were fortunate Davis in hindsight isn't a bad pick based on our current situation, but we never worked him out during that draft. Even going as far back as selecting Villanueva was dumb in expecting either him or Bosh exclusively playing the 5



too indifferent to look, but I'm betting you're also whining in the Drummond thread that we didn't take the BPA.


Different since it was painstakingly clear that Bargnani wasn't cut out to be the long-term piece at center
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Re: MEM/CLE trade: Speights on the move, Griz escape Lux tax 

Post#87 » by fredericklove » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:32 pm

After next year...

Noel
TT/Speight
Wiggins or Parker
Waiter
Irving

beautiful.
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Post#88 » by Big Shot » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:44 pm

fredericklove wrote:After next year...

Noel
TT/Speight
Wiggins or Parker
Waiter
Irving

beautiful.


and Lebron.
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Re: MEM/CLE trade: Speights on the move, Griz escape Lux tax 

Post#89 » by TheGoodDoctor » Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:37 pm

fredericklove wrote:After next year...

Noel
TT/Speight
Wiggins or Parker
Waiter
Irving

beautiful.


Considering they play Moneyball with their draft picks I highly doubt that line up happens and it's a shadow of what could have been:

Irving
Shabazz or McLemore (this year)
Parker, Wiggins or Randle (next year)
Valanciunas
Drummond

Would have easily had the potential to be the best formed young team from a draft (yes over OKC and POR imo).
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Re: MEM/CLE trade: Speights on the move, Griz escape Lux tax 

Post#90 » by Brinbe » Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:52 pm

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Re: MEM/CLE trade: Speights on the move, Griz escape Lux tax 

Post#91 » by martypython » Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:55 pm

Chaos Engine wrote:Cleveland did something similar a few years back when they took on Davis' horrible contract but got a first round pick which ended up turning into Kyrie. They know what to do during a rebuild, use your capspace to take on players and contracts while adding more and more draft picks.

Meanwhile BC relies on FA to try and rebuild the team.


Getting a number one draft pick by taking on Davis' contract was pure luck. Imagine what the media and fans would be saying if the pick turns out to be a dud.
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Post#92 » by chuckerz » Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:12 pm

The grizzlies should have at least asked for a second round pick. That way they can just pick a European player and stash him overseas for a few years until he's ready to come over. Jon leuer can be a spot up three point shooting big like Matt Bonner. It'll give room for Gasol or Randolph to work downlow while Leuer spreads the floor.
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Re: MEM/CLE trade: Speights on the move, Griz escape Lux tax 

Post#93 » by Chaos Engine » Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:20 pm

martypython wrote:
Chaos Engine wrote:Cleveland did something similar a few years back when they took on Davis' horrible contract but got a first round pick which ended up turning into Kyrie. They know what to do during a rebuild, use your capspace to take on players and contracts while adding more and more draft picks.

Meanwhile BC relies on FA to try and rebuild the team.


Getting a number one draft pick by taking on Davis' contract was pure luck. Imagine what the media and fans would be saying if the pick turns out to be a dud.

Not pure luck. They smartly increased their odds to get the #1 pick, and used the amnesty on Baron the next year.
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Post#94 » by cdel00 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:28 pm

Holy ****!


Lauer sucks wtf.

2 decent prospects plus a pick similar to what we gave for Lowry.

You gotta be f'en with me.
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Post#95 » by PBI » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:55 pm

This is what rebuilding looks like, friends.
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Post#96 » by sisibilio » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:56 pm

Jval17 wrote:Wayne Ellington as mentioned above, is also included in this deal. I dont like this trade for MEM at all. They give up a lot just to buy some time before they must trade one of gay/zbo. Hopefully this is the first domino to fall and gets gm's to start making deals!

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Re: MEM/CLE trade: Speights on the move, Griz escape Lux tax 

Post#97 » by sisibilio » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:02 am

chuckerz wrote:The grizzlies should have at least asked for a second round pick.

The Grizzlies should have tried to force it a bit and probably Cle settled for the 2015 pick top 5 protected.
IDK why they were in such a hurry. Maybe feared Cavs used their capspace in other trade, or someone picked West before they could.
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Re: MEM/CLE trade: Speights on the move, Griz escape Lux tax 

Post#98 » by Dr Positivity » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:46 am

TheGoodDoctor wrote:
fredericklove wrote:After next year...

Noel
TT/Speight
Wiggins or Parker
Waiter
Irving

beautiful.


Considering they play Moneyball with their draft picks I highly doubt that line up happens and it's a shadow of what could have been:

Irving
Shabazz or McLemore (this year)
Parker, Wiggins or Randle (next year)
Valanciunas
Drummond

Would have easily had the potential to be the best formed young team from a draft (yes over OKC and POR imo).


If the Cavs went "chalk", they would've taken Valanciunas and then 'consensus BPA' Thomas Robinson 2012 - Drummond wasn't projected over MKG, Beal or TRob by anyone. I remember people criticizing the Cavs for not going with the sure to be elite Robinson/Valanciunas frontcourt...
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Re: MEM/CLE trade: Speights on the move, Griz escape Lux tax 

Post#99 » by Parataxis » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:02 am

SDM wrote:
whysoserious wrote:
dTox wrote:WOW the Cavs are doing this rebuild the right way, the Raps should take note. The only thing holding them back were their questionable draft selection, though both picks from the last 2 years have begun to turn things around.



Don't need to only look at Cleveland. There's plenty of examples over the years. Our GM just has ADD and can't stick with one vision and in those moments is never really comitted to it either.


It's mindboggling that Cleveland's managed to do this twice in three years.

Oh, it's because they retain cap space. Carry on.


I wonder if they'll reach terribly with this pick as well. Seems to be the Cleveland way.
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Re: MEM/CLE trade: Speights on the move, Griz escape Lux tax 

Post#100 » by Ackshun » Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:08 am

Can't really wrap my head around the 1st round pick portion.

I like Ellington, although he's a bit undersized. Selby was redundant with Wroten nailed to the bench.

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