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Post#1 If you could go back in time...how to handle
Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:00 pm by Loopy

This is basically just a reflection of Bargs career with the Raps and what could have been...(try to look at this from Bargs position for a moment)

Just wondering what we could have done differently to maximize Bargs potential. Sometimes a player's environment can hinder a player's growth and I think Bargs may have played better if he was drafted by another team. We can't put all the blame on Bargs (though he deserves some for sure), he always did what he was told whether it was playing the SF position...to bulking up, then losing weight....to going to big man camp. He never pouted to the media until it all built up to it recently.

Even Sam Mitchell admitted that Bargs is oozing with talent. I remember even Triano predicted Bargs would be a better player than Bosh. And these guys watched him on a daily basis.

So what could we have done differently?
-Maybe he wasn't coached tough enough
-Maybe he played too many minutes with the extra weight causing his shots to fall short.
-Maybe he realized that everyone in the Raptors organization would coddle him, so he became entitled and lost the will to become better.

I just dont know. Is Bargs really a product of his environment?

I just remember that clutch/motivated Bargs against Miami on Bosh's first game back who was unstoppable. Dare I say that Bargs was the closest thing to Dirk.

This team dediciated to much time and effort trying to develop Bargs from day 1, its sad things just haven't worked out. It tough to find ballers that can have career highs of 40+.
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Post#2 Re: If you could go back in time...how to han
Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:03 pm by Rod_Strickland

draft rudy gay.
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Post#3 Re: If you could go back in time...how to han
Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:03 pm by bballsparkin

Bargs should have been picked later in the draft. Say 10th where he wouldn't have the pressure. He could have stayed skinny and been a spark plug off the bench. Maybe pick up some defensive skills in limited minutes some way down the road.
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Post#4 Re: If you could go back in time...how to han
Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:06 pm by MikeM

Not try to make him a C. He had never been anywhere close to the paint his whole basketball career. It's like if we drafted Rudy Gay but made him a PG.

He should have just been a scoring PF who could play some man to man. Honestly, we should have been working on his scoring to at least make him a #1 offensive option.
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Post#5 Re: If you could go back in time...how to han
Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:12 pm by SkywalkerAC

Tough love like Detroit did with Darko...oh, wait.

Seriously though, he needed constant, consistent training - reflexes, plyometrics, strength, post-game, shooting - and a lot more tape-watching. Anderson Varejao is the guy I think he should start studying.
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Post#6 Re: If you could go back in time...how to han
Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:12 pm by sanity

Being selected #1 always gave him this false sense of entitlement to work hard in certain aspects and totally slack off and ignore in others---mainly the ones requiring an ounce of effort.

Its telling watching old clips of Bargnani from his rookie/pre-NBA days to the player you see now. The one now is more polished offensively, but the one back then played like he cared and looked like a better basketball player
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Post#7 Re: If you could go back in time...how to han
Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:18 pm by Valanciunuts

I would have drafted Rondo or Gay like someone said above.
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Post#8 Re: If you could go back in time...how to han
Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:18 pm by Neutral 123

Rod_Strickland wrote:draft rudy gay.

Pretty much, or Aldridge. I mean what do you do with a guy who just doesn't want to compete, doesn't like basketball, and seems to not care about much of anything.
To them, it's like everyone wants the money they are never going to make. amluvinit2 on the tea party..
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Post#9 Re: If you could go back in time...how to han
Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:25 pm by Major Giz

I would have handled him with kid gloves a little more. I think the organization was too tough on him. He needed a real soft touch due to his transition moving to Canada and the NBA. Bunch of meanies.
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Post#10 Re: If you could go back in time...how to han
Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:33 pm by roundhead0

Not try to make him into a C, and then either trade him or Bosh to make room for the other.
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Post#11 Re: If you could go back in time...how to han
Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:46 pm by Raps in 4

I would have started by not drafting him.
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Post#12 Re: If you could go back in time...how to han
Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:47 pm by Raps in 4

Rod_Strickland wrote:draft rudy gay.


And then be stuck with his albatross contract today? No thanks.
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Post#13 Re: If you could go back in time...how to han
Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:50 pm by Neutral 123

UssjTrunks wrote:
Rod_Strickland wrote:draft rudy gay.


And then be stuck with his albatross contract today? No thanks.

I don't know, I like more chances moving 'Gay's contract, than Bargs.
To them, it's like everyone wants the money they are never going to make. amluvinit2 on the tea party..
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Post#14 Re: If you could go back in time...how to han
Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:52 pm by Canucklehead

Limit his shot attempts to 2 per rebound until he averages 8 or more.

I'd have traded Bosh 2+ years before he was leaving and had AB play PF full time.

Maybe brought in some former players that he respects/idolizes that could get into his head about the importance of the other aspects of the game besides scoring.
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Post#15 Re: If you could go back in time...how to han
Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:54 pm by Neutral 123

Canucklehead wrote:Limit his shot attempts to 2 per rebound until he averages 8 or more.

I'd have traded Bosh 2+ years before he was leaving and had AB play PF full time.

Maybe brought in some former players that he respects/idolizes that could get into his head about the importance of the other aspects of the game besides scoring.

Well he's modeled him game and demeanor after Garfield. Not Heard, but the cat, so I'm not sure how that would work out.
To them, it's like everyone wants the money they are never going to make. amluvinit2 on the tea party..
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Post#16 Re: If you could go back in time...how to han
Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:13 pm by 22haytham22

Not Draft him
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Post#17 Re: If you could go back in time...how to han
Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:26 pm by JN

Since BC was win now anyway-- trade #1 pick.
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Post#18 Re: If you could go back in time...how to han
Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:41 pm by vexen

With the first ever #1 pick the Toronto Raptors select a 7 foot soccer player from Rome.

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Post#19 Re: If you could go back in time...how to han
Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:53 pm by Indeed

Play one year each for his national team instead of every year.
Invite him to big man camp to improve his help defense and post offense. If we add 3 years of training camp, his rebounding and help defense maybe slightly better. We definitely need him to play both end of the floor, so when his shot is not falling, he can help on the defensive end.
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Post#20 Re: If you could go back in time...how to han
Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:57 pm by cram

If I was coaching him -- no 3's. All of your shots should be from inside the paint.

Bargs is actually a pretty solid offensive player inside. He has size and touch. He just doesn't do it often enough. Also seems to play better when he's angry.....which is never going to happen from the 3pt line.
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