ImageImageImageImageImage

If you could go back in time...how to handle Bargs?

Moderators: tsherkin, Yuri Vaultin, Alfred, DG88, Rhettmatic, Undefeated, itbobby007, FluLikeSymptoms, Morris_Shatford

User avatar
22haytham22
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,725
And1: 6,244
Joined: Apr 19, 2011
       

Re: If you could go back in time...how to handle Bargs? 

Post#16 » by 22haytham22 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:13 am

Not Draft him
Image

TreadMilling Since 1995

Darain wrote:Dude is like 6-10, 6-12 at the most
But he is definitely not 7 foot
JN
General Manager
Posts: 9,679
And1: 1,372
Joined: Feb 02, 2007
   

Re: If you could go back in time...how to handle Bargs? 

Post#17 » by JN » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:26 am

Since BC was win now anyway-- trade #1 pick.
User avatar
vexen
Starter
Posts: 2,315
And1: 562
Joined: Jul 16, 2006
Location: Toronto
     

Re: If you could go back in time...how to handle Bargs? 

Post#18 » by vexen » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:41 am

With the first ever #1 pick the Toronto Raptors select a 7 foot soccer player from Rome.

Image

Quick and Nutritious, Simply Delicious everyone knows it's Primo
User avatar
Indeed
RealGM
Posts: 13,778
And1: 646
Joined: Aug 21, 2009

Re: If you could go back in time...how to handle Bargs? 

Post#19 » by Indeed » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:53 am

Play one year each for his national team instead of every year.
Invite him to big man camp to improve his help defense and post offense. If we add 3 years of training camp, his rebounding and help defense maybe slightly better. We definitely need him to play both end of the floor, so when his shot is not falling, he can help on the defensive end.
cram
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,328
And1: 1,116
Joined: Feb 08, 2004

Re: If you could go back in time...how to handle Bargs? 

Post#20 » by cram » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:57 am

If I was coaching him -- no 3's. All of your shots should be from inside the paint.

Bargs is actually a pretty solid offensive player inside. He has size and touch. He just doesn't do it often enough. Also seems to play better when he's angry.....which is never going to happen from the 3pt line.
User avatar
vexen
Starter
Posts: 2,315
And1: 562
Joined: Jul 16, 2006
Location: Toronto
     

Re: If you could go back in time...how to handle Bargs? 

Post#21 » by vexen » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:58 am

It doesn't mater because he doesn't care. If he did he would already be a All-star. This is why I hate him so much.
cdel00
Head Coach
Posts: 6,173
And1: 216
Joined: Apr 12, 2007

Re: If you could go back in time...how to handle Bargs? 

Post#22 » by cdel00 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:58 am

Play him at SF
User avatar
zilby
RealGM
Posts: 13,597
And1: 2,843
Joined: Jul 13, 2008
Location: T-Dot
     

Re: If you could go back in time...how to handle Bargs? 

Post#23 » by zilby » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:00 am

I probably would've traded him after his "breakout" in 2009 when he started playing better under Triano and with Marion covering the rebounding. Thus, we would get solid value for him then, and never having extended him to that stupid deal, and this nightmare wouldn't exist.

This almost feels like the timeline episode of Community where they visit six different scenarios :lol:
Image
[Credits to the one and only BrunoSkull]
Raptors/Blue Jays/New York Jets
User avatar
C_Money
RealGM
Posts: 12,312
And1: 3,404
Joined: Jun 30, 2008
   

Re: If you could go back in time...how to handle Bargs? 

Post#24 » by C_Money » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:05 am

Sam Mitchell was the perfect coach for him. It was Jay Triano that let him do whatever he wanted which has now made him one of the laziest players of all time. Dwane Casey is basically running things the exact same way Triano did.
Image
User avatar
Morse Code
Veteran
Posts: 2,695
And1: 2,141
Joined: May 20, 2011
Location: Halifax
     

Re: If you could go back in time...how to handle Bargs? 

Post#25 » by Morse Code » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:12 am

I think I would have drafted Aldridge and traded him. Not saying that's the best move but that's probably what I would have thought to be the best option at the time.

If it's a redo we're talking about then I would've drafted Rudy Gay, like many others.
Image
User avatar
Morse Code
Veteran
Posts: 2,695
And1: 2,141
Joined: May 20, 2011
Location: Halifax
     

Re: If you could go back in time...how to handle Bargs? 

Post#26 » by Morse Code » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:14 am

C_Money wrote:Sam Mitchell was the perfect coach for him. It was Jay Triano that let him do whatever he wanted which has now made him one of the laziest players of all time. Dwane Casey is basically running things the exact same way Triano did.

true, except Casey's rotations and minute distribution are much poorer than Smitch's, and I think Smitch's were below average also.
Image
User avatar
Neutral 123
General Manager
Posts: 9,119
And1: 1,060
Joined: Nov 12, 2009
Location: Pandora

Re: If you could go back in time...how to handle Bargs? 

Post#27 » by Neutral 123 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:15 am

vexen wrote:It doesn't mater because he doesn't care. If he did he would already be a All-star. This is why I hate him so much.

This. I mean some of the ideas don't even make sense. His main talent was that he is a 7 footer who could shoot from the perimeter. That is what he has done. Trying to force him to become Shaq wouldn't help him. Defensively he would never be quick enough to defend the 3. So whether you call him a 4 or a 5 he'd have to be an interior defender. He's failed miserably. the biggest mistake in his development, was building the team like he was a guy to build around. Bargnani is a bum. That's how it was.... that's how it is.... that's how it will be...
To them, it's like everyone wants the money they are never going to make. amluvinit2 on the tea party..
3thomas
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,591
And1: 204
Joined: Dec 25, 2009

Re: If you could go back in time...how to handle Bargs? 

Post#28 » by 3thomas » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:17 am

Would have never drafted his sorry a$$
User avatar
ballislife
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,418
And1: 1,344
Joined: Apr 27, 2010
     

Re: If you could go back in time...how to handle Bargs? 

Post#29 » by ballislife » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:24 am

LeMarcus Aldridge. I always thought we should've drafted him... I got so excited when we won the lottery, I thought he was a clear choice.

Imagine this team with him.
Image
User avatar
dballislife
RealGM
Posts: 11,553
And1: 3,001
Joined: Jan 24, 2010

Re: If you could go back in time...how to handle Bargs? 

Post#30 » by dballislife » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:26 am

the organization has been way too soft on a soft person, i dont think the way to treat a softy is to be soft, u gotta be hard and demanding, sometimes people just need a slap in the face
What is basketball.....basketball is life!
User avatar
sanity
RealGM
Posts: 17,551
And1: 1,804
Joined: Jul 08, 2009

Re: If you could go back in time...how to handle Bargs? 

Post#31 » by sanity » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:31 am

C_Money wrote:Sam Mitchell was the perfect coach for him. It was Jay Triano that let him do whatever he wanted which has now made him one of the laziest players of all time. Dwane Casey is basically running things the exact same way Triano did.


I feel the exact same way towards this.

Smitch normally gave Andrea the hook after consecutive brain-farts... something that both Casey and Triano absolutely avoided. Granted, Andrea has taken a larger role for this team since to the point where he is expected to lead,but its obvious that there is little consequence to him just playing badly.

Hell, I remember Smitch chewing out Bosh at times and the guy responded with better play. Andrea really suffers from being unmotivated, whether its himself or from the coaching staff.

Smitch might be considered a bad x/o's guy, but he did recognize when his team played like **** and knew how to motivate them.
User avatar
UcanUwill
Head Coach
Posts: 7,030
And1: 1,880
Joined: Aug 07, 2011

Re: If you could go back in time...how to handle Bargs? 

Post#32 » by UcanUwill » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:37 am

Indeed wrote:Play one year each for his national team instead of every year.


I dont understand? What do you you mean by playing one year each? And he didn't played for his country every year, he barely played for his country at all.

He skipped 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2012.
Played in 2009 extra Eurobasket qualification, failed to make it, played in 2010 Qualification and 2011 Eurobasket.
User avatar
Salted Meat
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,933
And1: 654
Joined: Jun 27, 2007

Re: If you could go back in time...how to handle Bargs? 

Post#33 » by Salted Meat » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:57 am

I certainly wouldn't have put him in a situation where he had to play out of position from day 1. if I decided I was drafting (and keeping) Bargnani, I'd have looked to trade Bosh for as high a draft pick, or as good a collection of young assets as possible. Tanked again for another year, and had a chance at landing Durant or Oden.
Image
Thanks to Turbo_Zone for the sig!
D-BE-LAW
Banned User
Posts: 832
And1: 23
Joined: Oct 24, 2012

Re: If you could go back in time...how to handle Bargs? 

Post#34 » by D-BE-LAW » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:02 am

what were we 8-8, 8-9 when smitch got fired. Did we think that a knee-less JO would yield success? We could have drafted roy hibbert to play along bosh. Bosh is probably having a blast with his personal life in miami, but is it really that fun being 3rd fiddle to wade and lebron. We could have did great things with bosh, hopped on the treadmill. His jersey would have been retired, maybe teams would want to come to toronto because of bosh, or was bosh that sure that no one would want to play along side him, moving to Canada in all. Bosh was the boy in toronto, now everyone makes fun of him in miami, and is a laughing stock most of the times.
User avatar
Berserk_Raptor
Starter
Posts: 2,359
And1: 1,764
Joined: Aug 29, 2012
 

Re: If you could go back in time...how to handle Bargs? 

Post#35 » by Berserk_Raptor » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:19 am

first of all, we already had Bosh who was supposed to be our future PF, so we shouldve gone for a better fit. Andrea definitely is a talented player but not a good fit, but we dont know, it couldve gotten worse if we had picked morrison or tyrus thomas...

secondly, Bargs was treated like a baby from day one, maybe not like a baby but he definitely had some privilege over the rest. Damn he was the first pick, everyone is expecting a lot from a first pick, so he mustve been put pressure, but that did not happen. Its like my father punishes me for not putting enough effort in my grades, but my mother gives me prize. The answer is easy, there was no pressure over him. Hes like the intelligent guy at school who only cares about passing the exams with averages grades, instead of putting more effort.
Image
@raptor21_85

Return to Toronto Raptors