If you could go back in time...how to handle Bargs?

22haytham22 · Post #16 » by **22haytham22** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:13 am

Not Draft him

JN · Post #17 » by JN » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:26 am

Since BC was win now anyway-- trade #1 pick.

vexen · Post #18 » by **vexen** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:41 am

With the first ever #1 pick the Toronto Raptors select a 7 foot soccer player from Rome.

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Indeed · Post #19 » by **Indeed** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:53 am

Play one year each for his national team instead of every year.
Invite him to big man camp to improve his help defense and post offense. If we add 3 years of training camp, his rebounding and help defense maybe slightly better. We definitely need him to play both end of the floor, so when his shot is not falling, he can help on the defensive end.

cram · Post #20 » by **cram** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:57 am

If I was coaching him -- no 3's. All of your shots should be from inside the paint.

Bargs is actually a pretty solid offensive player inside. He has size and touch. He just doesn't do it often enough. Also seems to play better when he's angry.....which is never going to happen from the 3pt line.

vexen · Post #21 » by **vexen** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:58 am

It doesn't mater because he doesn't care. If he did he would already be a All-star. This is why I hate him so much.

cdel00 · Post #22 » by **cdel00** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:58 am

Play him at SF

zilby · Post #23 » by **zilby** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:00 am

I probably would've traded him after his "breakout" in 2009 when he started playing better under Triano and with Marion covering the rebounding. Thus, we would get solid value for him then, and never having extended him to that stupid deal, and this nightmare wouldn't exist.

This almost feels like the timeline episode of Community where they visit six different scenarios :lol:

C_Money · Post #24 » by **C_Money** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:05 am

Sam Mitchell was the perfect coach for him. It was Jay Triano that let him do whatever he wanted which has now made him one of the laziest players of all time. Dwane Casey is basically running things the exact same way Triano did.

Morse Code · Post #25 » by **Morse Code** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:12 am

I think I would have drafted Aldridge and traded him. Not saying that's the best move but that's probably what I would have thought to be the best option at the time.

If it's a redo we're talking about then I would've drafted Rudy Gay, like many others.

Morse Code · Post #26 » by **Morse Code** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:14 am

C_Money wrote:Sam Mitchell was the perfect coach for him. It was Jay Triano that let him do whatever he wanted which has now made him one of the laziest players of all time. Dwane Casey is basically running things the exact same way Triano did.

true, except Casey's rotations and minute distribution are much poorer than Smitch's, and I think Smitch's were below average also.

Neutral 123 · Post #27 » by **Neutral 123** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:15 am

vexen wrote:It doesn't mater because he doesn't care. If he did he would already be a All-star. This is why I hate him so much.

This. I mean some of the ideas don't even make sense. His main talent was that he is a 7 footer who could shoot from the perimeter. That is what he has done. Trying to force him to become Shaq wouldn't help him. Defensively he would never be quick enough to defend the 3. So whether you call him a 4 or a 5 he'd have to be an interior defender. He's failed miserably. the biggest mistake in his development, was building the team like he was a guy to build around. Bargnani is a bum. That's how it was.... that's how it is.... that's how it will be...

3thomas · Post #28 » by **3thomas** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:17 am

Would have never drafted his sorry a$$

ballislife · Post #29 » by **ballislife** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:24 am

LeMarcus Aldridge. I always thought we should've drafted him... I got so excited when we won the lottery, I thought he was a clear choice.

Imagine this team with him.

dballislife · Post #30 » by **dballislife** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:26 am

the organization has been way too soft on a soft person, i dont think the way to treat a softy is to be soft, u gotta be hard and demanding, sometimes people just need a slap in the face

sanity · Post #31 » by **sanity** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:31 am

C_Money wrote:Sam Mitchell was the perfect coach for him. It was Jay Triano that let him do whatever he wanted which has now made him one of the laziest players of all time. Dwane Casey is basically running things the exact same way Triano did.

I feel the exact same way towards this.

Smitch normally gave Andrea the hook after consecutive brain-farts... something that both Casey and Triano absolutely avoided. Granted, Andrea has taken a larger role for this team since to the point where he is expected to lead,but its obvious that there is little consequence to him just playing badly.

Hell, I remember Smitch chewing out Bosh at times and the guy responded with better play. Andrea really suffers from being unmotivated, whether its himself or from the coaching staff.

Smitch might be considered a bad x/o's guy, but he did recognize when his team played like **** and knew how to motivate them.

UcanUwill · Post #32 » by **UcanUwill** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:37 am

Indeed wrote:Play one year each for his national team instead of every year.

I dont understand? What do you you mean by playing one year each? And he didn't played for his country every year, he barely played for his country at all.

He skipped 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2012.
Played in 2009 extra Eurobasket qualification, failed to make it, played in 2010 Qualification and 2011 Eurobasket.

Salted Meat · Post #33 » by **Salted Meat** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:57 am

I certainly wouldn't have put him in a situation where he had to play out of position from day 1. if I decided I was drafting (and keeping) Bargnani, I'd have looked to trade Bosh for as high a draft pick, or as good a collection of young assets as possible. Tanked again for another year, and had a chance at landing Durant or Oden.

D-BE-LAW · Post #34 » by **D-BE-LAW** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:02 am

what were we 8-8, 8-9 when smitch got fired. Did we think that a knee-less JO would yield success? We could have drafted roy hibbert to play along bosh. Bosh is probably having a blast with his personal life in miami, but is it really that fun being 3rd fiddle to wade and lebron. We could have did great things with bosh, hopped on the treadmill. His jersey would have been retired, maybe teams would want to come to toronto because of bosh, or was bosh that sure that no one would want to play along side him, moving to Canada in all. Bosh was the boy in toronto, now everyone makes fun of him in miami, and is a laughing stock most of the times.

Berserk_Raptor · Post #35 » by **Berserk_Raptor** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:19 am

first of all, we already had Bosh who was supposed to be our future PF, so we shouldve gone for a better fit. Andrea definitely is a talented player but not a good fit, but we dont know, it couldve gotten worse if we had picked morrison or tyrus thomas...

secondly, Bargs was treated like a baby from day one, maybe not like a baby but he definitely had some privilege over the rest. Damn he was the first pick, everyone is expecting a lot from a first pick, so he mustve been put pressure, but that did not happen. Its like my father punishes me for not putting enough effort in my grades, but my mother gives me prize. The answer is easy, there was no pressure over him. Hes like the intelligent guy at school who only cares about passing the exams with averages grades, instead of putting more effort.