DD Can't Be Apart of the Core

[Beardman]

As a SG he is broken, im still holding out on him converting to a SF, added bulk is what's missing.

[Rhettmatic]

It's amazing that someone with such a vaunted work ethic has improved so little.

His numbers are almost identical to the numbers he posted in his second season, except they're a little worse this year in most categories.

Per 36 minutes...
2010-11 DeMar: 17.8 points, 4.0 rebounds, 1.9 assists, 1.1 steals, .530 TS%, 5.1 FTA, 14.4 PER
2012-13 DeMar: 16.9 points, 4.4 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 1.1 steals, .510 TS%, 4.7 FTA, 13.9 PER

[Dr Positivity]

What irks me the most about these DD critics is that they keep bringing up the thing's he's bad at NOW. But when you compare him to his first year in the league he's added a lot of skills to his repertoire and improved on the skills he already had.

Sure he doesn't have a 3 point shot NOW, or his handles aren't great NOW. But he has improved on all of these things each season. Don't give up on the guy just because he hits a slump. You never know how good a player can get when things start clicking.

First off his handles and 3pt shooting are the same as they were in his 3rd season

Secondly a player's development doesn't last forever. The vast, vast majority of players are what they are after where Demar is now - in his 4th season and over 8000 minutes played in the league

That isn't true. His post game was greatly improved in the beginning of the season, he was showing improved handles. Lately he's just settled for jump shots so his handles are barely shown. His 3-point shooting hasn't improved that much since last season but he has been short of confidence lately.

Also I disagree with your 8000 minutes comment, that's just a generic number.

I tend to believe minutes are important for development. For example Chauncey Billups is the posterboy for the late career breakout, but did you know his development is more normal if judged by MP? Because of the lockout in year 2 and then missing almost all of his 3rd season due to injury, Billups was pretty behind in minutes. Here are his RS career minutes totals after each year:

1st year - 2218
2nd year - 3704
3rd year - 4009
4th year - 5799
5th year - 8154

Billups first season in Minnesota (01) was his 4th year. Then his 2nd season in Minnesota, his 5th year overall, is when he started to come on (17.6 PER), particularly after the ASB where he put up 14/7 type of numbers. When Billups signed in Detroit he had less total regular season MP than Demar, Jrue Holiday and Brandon Jennings have right now. He was still relatively "late" for a prospect breaking out, but he wasn't THAT much of an outlier. Making a big leap from 6000-8000 MP is around the same range that Harden and Holiday just did... and where Demar hasn't improved his game from mediocrity barely at all

[Rapsfan4life]

So you're saying when he gets stronger, adds a couple more moves, works on his play making and refines his shot with more practice you don't think this type of player can be part of the core?

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[goodjoey]

I dont blame people for being impatient. But to want to exile a player because he is having a tough month is just crazy. The kid is the hardest working guy on the team, leads us in minutes played, and just tries to get better all the time. He is still flawed but still has lots of time to improve. Is he worth his contract? Not at the moment, but you pay for potential, and he does have all the tools to be good, whether he will be (good that is) is still up for debate. But it in no way should it be decided this early on in his development.

[sanity]

He studies film ok!

He's not just having a tough month, but a tough year. He hasn't played well for more than a 2 game stretch this entire season. Paying for potential is part of the reason why we're nearly capped out without a single star player to speak of. Why couldn't we let the market dictate DeRozan's value?

[Beardman]

I dont blame people for being impatient. But to want to exile a player because he is having a tough month is just crazy. The kid is the hardest working guy on the team, leads us in minutes played, and just tries to get better all the time. He is still flawed but still has lots of time to improve. Is he worth his contract? Not at the moment, but you pay for potential, and he does have all the tools to be good, whether he will be (good that is) is still up for debate. But it in no way should it be decided this early on in his development.

This post sounds eerily similar to stuff I used to read about Bargs back in 09' on ISH.

[garbagnani]

Demar "long-two" Derozan

[Jakay]

Now to all those who think grammar and spelling are not all that important, may I point out that the OP literally said that "DD cannot be separated from the core" with this title.

[SkywalkerAC]

Man I hope Demar has a bounce back game tonight against a good team.

[junot111]

BC disagrees. We're building around DD after the Nani era.

your sig is hilarious

[Jambo]

I have no idea what people think this guy can become ?

He's has no lateral quicks and a low iq , this limits his upside right from the get go . Some of his fans love to compare him to how long Bargs was given but that comparison is flawed , he's been gifted a starting spot right from his rookie season and he's never been asked to learn a new position or try to cater his game to another teamate like Bargs was . We've given him a free pass on D and blamed others for his poor play yet there's still fans bending over backwards making excuses for this guy .

He's the main reason we got off to such a brutal start and the team performs better the less he's utilized on offense . The worst part of DD's game is how he completely disappears the moment we stop running plays for him or the defense tightens up . The guys not a starter never mind a go to guy and to be honest why would any good team want him in any role when he can't create for himself , compliment others or play even passable D .

[hokageinfamus]

Derozan = Desmond Mason, but at least D-Mase could play some small forward, was serviceable at times on the defensive end and could rebound

[hokageinfamus]

Derozan = Desmond Mason, but at least D-Mase could play some small forward, was serviceable at times on the defensive end and could rebound

[two5]

Casey has destroyed him. Or at least whatever there was left of to start the season. Casey wants him to play passive out there.

He wants to turn Anderson into the penetrator and the guy who draws fouls and the guy with the ball in his hands. Add that with a PG who who needs to run around 3 4 screens to do anything with the ball and you got a disaster waiting to happen.

He's a guy who needs that aggressive edge to be effective. It was something that was there in the beginning of the season and now Casey has told him to take that away/strip that out from his game. If he's passive, he's a nothing player.

Same thing with Lowry.
He wasn't terribly efficient, but he did have those games like Utah and San Antonio with that mentality. Lowry was practically an all star before his 2nd injury.

When Anderson & Jose comes back what are they going to do? Casey thinks they would be rendered useless out there with Derozan & Lowry out there. That is exactly what happened to Bargnani out there.

[Berserk_Raptor]

Casey has destroyed him. Or at least whatever there was left of to start the season. Casey wants him to play passive out there.

Come on... Casey has given a lot of chances... I even remember a game where DD played almost the whole game including overtime. DeMar is one-dimensional player, thats all. Hes just signed an ugly contract, so i rather see him traded in a package.

[two5]

Casey has destroyed him. Or at least whatever there was left of to start the season. Casey wants him to play passive out there.

Come on... Casey has given a lot of chances... I even remember a game where DD played almost the whole game including overtime. DeMar is one-dimensional player, thats all. Hes just signed an ugly contract, so i rather see him traded in a package.

Whats the point of giving the guy minutes if your going to take away his bread and butter away and have him doing nothing out there being passive or running around screens doing nothing.

He'll put him in the game just to be passive and defer out there. That is his plan. What do you think is going to happen when you tell Derozan, don't go looking for your own shot? He becomes useless. But why do you think he is starting/playing those heavy minutes?

Casey wants players who defer to his orders out there. He wants Anderson taking those 18 shots a game and Jose playing hot potato.

TRoss takes shot attempts away from Anderson & Jose & soon to be Bargnani. That is exactly why he isn't given much playing time out there.

[nonc]

TRoss takes shot attempts away from Anderson & Jose & soon to be Bargnani. That is exactly why he isn't given much playing time out there.

anderson has horrible mechanics, this is reflected in his streakiness (to put it very kindly), ugly mid-range game and FT.

the argument for anderson over ross is actually one of the most laughable things i've read on the internet, congrats.

[Jambo]

Casey has destroyed him. Or at least whatever there was left of to start the season. Casey wants him to play passive out there.

Come on... Casey has given a lot of chances... I even remember a game where DD played almost the whole game including overtime. DeMar is one-dimensional player, thats all. Hes just signed an ugly contract, so i rather see him traded in a package.

Whats the point of giving the guy minutes if your going to take away his bread and butter away and have him doing nothing out there being passive or running around screens doing nothing.

He'll put him in the game just to be passive and defer out there. That is his plan. What do you think is going to happen when you tell Derozan, don't go looking for your own shot? He becomes useless. But why do you think he is starting/playing those heavy minutes?

Casey wants players who defer to his orders out there. He wants Anderson taking those 18 shots a game and Jose playing hot potato.

TRoss takes shot attempts away from Anderson & Jose & soon to be Bargnani. That is exactly why he isn't given much playing time out there.

WTF would Casey tell DD to play passive , what the **** would he possibly have to gain from doing that ?

DD's poor play is all on DD and no one else . He get his mins and plenty of touches but he really can't do much and that's why he's disappears in games .