DD Can't Be Apart of the Core

[hkr]

derozan is not the problem. I will evaluate him more harshly once we have bargs gone, and maybe fields. This team could have been solid if not for stupid decisions like resigning bargnani and etc. Derozan improves every year

Unfortunately I haven't seen concrete evidence for that. Derozan's scoring efficiency went down, he's not grabbing more rebounds, not making much more passes, etc. The only thing he has clearly gotten better at is taking more shots which netted him the ridiculous contract extension.

Demar maybe has gotten better at somethings but none of that made him a more productive player that helps the team win more games.

[tmac101]

derozan is not the problem. I will evaluate him more harshly once we have bargs gone, and maybe fields. This team could have been solid if not for stupid decisions like resigning bargnani and etc. Derozan improves every year

Unfortunately I haven't seen concrete evidence for that. Derozan's scoring efficiency went down, he's not grabbing more rebounds, not making much more passes, etc. The only thing he has clearly gotten better at is taking more shots which netted him the ridiculous contract extension.

Demar maybe has gotten better at somethings but none of that made him a more productive player that helps the team win more games.

Contradictory at its best.

[hkr]

Unfortunately I haven't seen concrete evidence for that. Derozan's scoring efficiency went down, he's not grabbing more rebounds, not making much more passes, etc. The only thing he has clearly gotten better at is taking more shots which netted him the ridiculous contract extension.

Demar maybe has gotten better at somethings but none of that made him a more productive player that helps the team win more games.

Contradictory at its best.

What I mean is that whatever improvements Demar made hasn't made him a better player at all. In terms of production he hasn't improved as a player except he's taking more shots. He's not scoring more efficiently, he's not grabbing more rebounds, he's not making better passes, and although this is more arguable, he's not defending better either.

I've written this before but that's because all his improvements have been in taking the worst type of shot in basketball, long midrange jumpers. This perpetuation with taking more shots in the midrange made him less valuable as a player.

[theskydrops]

Have I read this thread before?




Or three times?

[StatsMan99]

LOL. It's "a part", not "apart". I agree though that he can't be a part of the core if we are ever to make the playoffs. He's one of the worst players in the league. Go to Wages of Wins and do a search for Demar Derozan if you don't believe me.

[StatsMan99]

23

He's in his 4th year, and his stats have barely improved at all. In fact, in several areas they've gotten worse. He's not going to improve much from here on out. With SGs, what you see by their 4th year is what you get.

[StatsMan99]

His defense is below-average @ best. 35 year old guards blow by him with relative ease and if this is happening at such a young age, can you imagine DeRozan at Kobes age? He'd be practically crippled.

DeRozan won't be in the league when he's Kobe's age.

[StatsMan99]

DD's rebounding seems very overrated. The more I watch Raptors game, the more I realize that the only rebounds DD grabs are the defensive rebounds where 3 Raptors are around it and maybe only 1 player from the other team.

Yes he sucks at rebounding but that is just one of many things that he can't do. He also can't play defence, pass, shoot, or drive to the basket. So really WTF is he actually doing out there?

Wow DD must be out of $$$ from paying the other NBA player to LET him Average almost 18 & 5 there are more than 15 other teams who SG do not produce at these rates. With him sucking so much I would say he must be blackmailing them so we should D League him ASAP

Season stats:

Old-man Vince Carter: 17.8 points/36 minutes on 54.8% true shooting
Demar Derozan: 16.9 points/36 minutes on 51.0% true shooting

Old-man Vince is averaging 0.9 more points/36 minutes, and shooting nearly 4% better than DD.

Old-man Vince Carter is also averaging more rebounds, more assists, more steals, and more blocks per 36 minutes than Derozan. A 6'6" SG who is about to turn 36 years old is averaging three times as many blocks per 36 minutes (1.0 vs. 0.3) as DeRozan, a 6'6" SG who is only 23 years old and supposedly has "great athleticism".

[StatsMan99]

In fact, here are Demar Derozan's season stats per 36 minutes vs. Vince Carter's, a 15th year player who is about to turn 36 years old, and is near the tail end of his career. Plus he (VC) is only making a little over $3 million per year, while DD is about to make nearly $10 million.

http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b57 ... 2ab95d.png

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[Chaos Engine]

Unfortunately he is. The new Bargnani folks, with his legions on fanboys to defend him!

[GREY 1769]

In fact, here are Demar Derozan's season stats per 36 minutes vs. Vince Carter's, a 15th year player who is about to turn 36 years old, and is near the tail end of his career. Plus he (VC) is only making a little over $3 million per year, while DD is about to make nearly $10 million.

http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b57 ... 2ab95d.png

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While I don't disagree with your point, these #'s say as much about VC in a positive way as they do about DD in a negative way. Not a huge VC fan but man good for him.

DD is presented as part of the core and gets the requisite minutes for that shiny new contract.

[Scase]

In fact, here are Demar Derozan's season stats per 36 minutes vs. Vince Carter's, a 15th year player who is about to turn 36 years old, and is near the tail end of his career. Plus he (VC) is only making a little over $3 million per year, while DD is about to make nearly $10 million.

http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b57 ... 2ab95d.png

Edit: it won't let me post a photo because I'm too new. Can someone else post this photo please

While I don't disagree with your point, these #'s say as much about VC in a positive way as they do about DD in a negative way. Not a huge VC fan but man good for him.

DD is presented as part of the core and gets the requisite minutes for that shiny new contract.

Which is a depressing viscous circle. He's "core" so he get's signed to a ridiculous contract to lock him up, and then gets force fed ridiculous amounts of minutes to justify the contract.

Makes my head spin. God I hate BC and want him fired.

[preacher]

It's "a part" not "apart"

[kwamebargnani]

23

4th year in the league. He's been getting undeserving 35 mins of playing time for the past three years, and still hasn't shown more than what an average bench player can do.

[Laowai]

For all the crao heaped on Bargs the reality the defense hasn't improved especial points in the paint and both Amir and Davis are better defensively.

Why?
The obvious is DD and Jose are so bad that a cripple or a blind man can beat them.
That allows easy penetration which any big has a problem stopping.

Before the season I stated that I would be happy DD getting 14 to 15pts. but play good defense, rebound and get a few assists. He will never have handles or a 3 pt. shot.