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D-BE-LAW wrote:derozan is not the problem. I will evaluate him more harshly once we have bargs gone, and maybe fields. This team could have been solid if not for stupid decisions like resigning bargnani and etc. Derozan improves every year

Unfortunately I haven't seen concrete evidence for that. Derozan's scoring efficiency went down, he's not grabbing more rebounds, not making much more passes, etc. The only thing he has clearly gotten better at is taking more shots which netted him the ridiculous contract extension.

Demar maybe has gotten better at somethings but none of that made him a more productive player that helps the team win more games.

hkr wrote:

D-BE-LAW wrote:derozan is not the problem. I will evaluate him more harshly once we have bargs gone, and maybe fields. This team could have been solid if not for stupid decisions like resigning bargnani and etc. Derozan improves every year

Unfortunately I haven't seen concrete evidence for that. Derozan's scoring efficiency went down, he's not grabbing more rebounds, not making much more passes, etc. The only thing he has clearly gotten better at is taking more shots which netted him the ridiculous contract extension.

Demar maybe has gotten better at somethings but none of that made him a more productive player that helps the team win more games.

Contradictory at its best.

tmac101 wrote:

hkr wrote:Unfortunately I haven't seen concrete evidence for that. Derozan's scoring efficiency went down, he's not grabbing more rebounds, not making much more passes, etc. The only thing he has clearly gotten better at is taking more shots which netted him the ridiculous contract extension.

Demar maybe has gotten better at somethings but none of that made him a more productive player that helps the team win more games.

Contradictory at its best.

What I mean is that whatever improvements Demar made hasn't made him a better player at all. In terms of production he hasn't improved as a player except he's taking more shots. He's not scoring more efficiently, he's not grabbing more rebounds, he's not making better passes, and although this is more arguable, he's not defending better either.

I've written this before but that's because all his improvements have been in taking the worst type of shot in basketball, long midrange jumpers. This perpetuation with taking more shots in the midrange made him less valuable as a player.

Have I read this thread before?




Or three times?

LOL. It's "a part", not "apart". I agree though that he can't be a part of the core if we are ever to make the playoffs. He's one of the worst players in the league. Go to Wages of Wins and do a search for Demar Derozan if you don't believe me.

mirrornick wrote:23

He's in his 4th year, and his stats have barely improved at all. In fact, in several areas they've gotten worse. He's not going to improve much from here on out. With SGs, what you see by their 4th year is what you get.

Throwback24 wrote:His defense is below-average @ best. 35 year old guards blow by him with relative ease and if this is happening at such a young age, can you imagine DeRozan at Kobes age? He'd be practically crippled.

DeRozan won't be in the league when he's Kobe's age.

Rapsalot wrote:

C_Money wrote:

JustaKnickFan wrote:DD's rebounding seems very overrated. The more I watch Raptors game, the more I realize that the only rebounds DD grabs are the defensive rebounds where 3 Raptors are around it and maybe only 1 player from the other team.

Yes he sucks at rebounding but that is just one of many things that he can't do. He also can't play defence, pass, shoot, or drive to the basket. So really WTF is he actually doing out there?

Wow DD must be out of $$$ from paying the other NBA player to LET him Average almost 18 & 5 there are more than 15 other teams who SG do not produce at these rates. With him sucking so much I would say he must be blackmailing them so we should D League him ASAP

Season stats:

Old-man Vince Carter: 17.8 points/36 minutes on 54.8% true shooting
Demar Derozan: 16.9 points/36 minutes on 51.0% true shooting

Old-man Vince is averaging 0.9 more points/36 minutes, and shooting nearly 4% better than DD.

Old-man Vince Carter is also averaging more rebounds, more assists, more steals, and more blocks per 36 minutes than Derozan. A 6'6" SG who is about to turn 36 years old is averaging three times as many blocks per 36 minutes (1.0 vs. 0.3) as DeRozan, a 6'6" SG who is only 23 years old and supposedly has "great athleticism".

In fact, here are Demar Derozan's season stats per 36 minutes vs. Vince Carter's, a 15th year player who is about to turn 36 years old, and is near the tail end of his career. Plus he (VC) is only making a little over $3 million per year, while DD is about to make nearly $10 million.

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Unfortunately he is. The new Bargnani folks, with his legions on fanboys to defend him!

StatsMan99 wrote:In fact, here are Demar Derozan's season stats per 36 minutes vs. Vince Carter's, a 15th year player who is about to turn 36 years old, and is near the tail end of his career. Plus he (VC) is only making a little over $3 million per year, while DD is about to make nearly $10 million.

http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b57 ... 2ab95d.png

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While I don't disagree with your point, these #'s say as much about VC in a positive way as they do about DD in a negative way. Not a huge VC fan but man good for him.

DD is presented as part of the core and gets the requisite minutes for that shiny new contract.

GREY 1769 wrote:

StatsMan99 wrote:In fact, here are Demar Derozan's season stats per 36 minutes vs. Vince Carter's, a 15th year player who is about to turn 36 years old, and is near the tail end of his career. Plus he (VC) is only making a little over $3 million per year, while DD is about to make nearly $10 million.

http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b57 ... 2ab95d.png

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While I don't disagree with your point, these #'s say as much about VC in a positive way as they do about DD in a negative way. Not a huge VC fan but man good for him.

DD is presented as part of the core and gets the requisite minutes for that shiny new contract.

Which is a depressing viscous circle. He's "core" so he get's signed to a ridiculous contract to lock him up, and then gets force fed ridiculous amounts of minutes to justify the contract.

Makes my head spin. God I hate BC and want him fired.

It's "a part" not "apart"

mirrornick wrote:23

4th year in the league. He's been getting undeserving 35 mins of playing time for the past three years, and still hasn't shown more than what an average bench player can do.

For all the crao heaped on Bargs the reality the defense hasn't improved especial points in the paint and both Amir and Davis are better defensively.

Why?
The obvious is DD and Jose are so bad that a cripple or a blind man can beat them.
That allows easy penetration which any big has a problem stopping.

Before the season I stated that I would be happy DD getting 14 to 15pts. but play good defense, rebound and get a few assists. He will never have handles or a 3 pt. shot.

Got Em wrote:http://www.learnenglish.de/mistakes/apartvsa_part.htm

Sorry but not sorry.

apart vs a part
Apart (adv) separated by distance or time.

For example: I always feel so lonely when we're apart.

A part(noun) a piece of something that forms the whole of something.

For example: They made me feel like I was a part of the family.

All the DeMar apologists continually point out that he is only 23 like he is yet to unlock this awesome potential or something. He's been in the league for four years and hasn't noticeably improved in any area of his game since his second year. Your wing players have to be able to either create in isolation or shoot the three consistently. DeMar needs screens and picks to get his game off at all because his first step and handles are horrible. Ross is a rookie but he has some of the characteristics mentioned above. He's athletic and smooth, can shoot the three better than DeMar ever could, and plays very good defence. You can't teach or improve athleticism. DeMar doesn't have it and has never had it, so its ridiculous to think that he will become a D-Wade type of go-to-scorer at any time in his career. We need to trade him asap and try to land Wiggins in next years draft to complement Ross moving forward.

He just needs to be on the juice for 1 summer... and he'll be a solid-to very good SF in this league. Then shift T ross to the sg... and everyones happy. Demar works hard and has improved every season. Is he worth his contract? no. But atleast hes always improving

I think at this point, the best thing for Demar is too bulk up and try to play the 3. He's just emerging more and more as lacking the skills to play SG. When I watch it is obvious watching Ross and AA what skills a SG should possess and Demar lacks just too many at this point.

DD Can't Be Apart of the Core

BC: You're right, I will make sure DD and the core will never be apart!