Raps acquire Sebastian Telfair for Haddadi, 2nd-rounder

Live Free · Post #441 » by **Live Free** » Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:54 am

Would've kept that 2nd rounder.. but whatever

Parataxis · Post #442 » by **Parataxis** » Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:59 am

Live Free wrote:Would've kept that 2nd rounder.. but whatever

I would have demanded their first rounder.

/green

RapsFanInVA · Post #443 » by **RapsFanInVA** » Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:05 am

Dang, now we're gonna miss out on the next Quincy Miller or Scott Machado in the second round! Everybody get MAD!

bonjovi0308 · Post #444 » by **bonjovi0308** » Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:10 am

RapsFanInVA wrote:Dang, now we're gonna miss out on the next Quincy Miller or Scott Machado in the second round! Everybody get MAD!

Or the next Paul Milsap

bape_lovers · Post #445 » by **bape_lovers** » Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:19 am

people will never be happy here

RapsFanInOhio wrote:Smh at people complaining over a second round pick like we could have used it to trade for Lebron or something.

RapsFanInVA · Post #446 » by **RapsFanInVA** » Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:19 am

bonjovi0308 wrote:
RapsFanInVA wrote:Dang, now we're gonna miss out on the next Quincy Miller or Scott Machado in the second round! Everybody get MAD!

Or the next Paul Milsap

Tomislav Zubcic
Quincy Acy
Eden Bavcic
P.J. Tucker
Uros Slokar
Roko Ukic
Albert Miralles
Remon Van de Hare
DeeAndre Hulett

Our 2nd round picks since the new millenium. For every Paul Millsap there are 30 of these guys. I'm not concerned.

Post #447 » by **YogiStewart** » Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:26 am

bonjovi0308 wrote:
RapsFanInVA wrote:Dang, now we're gonna miss out on the next Quincy Miller or Scott Machado in the second round! Everybody get MAD!

Or the next Paul Milsap

from that draft, you had a 1/10 chance of being drafted in the 2nd round and having any sort of impact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_NBA_Draft

samuraix · Post #448 » by **samuraix** » Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:29 am

At least he's fast:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fkZCs8EtEk[/youtube]

Spacing · Post #449 » by **Spacing** » Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:29 am

2nd round is GARBAGE especially in such a weak draft. If there were ANY gems they would probably go in the lotto, that's how much this draft sucks.

We get a serviceable player who just so happens to fit a need by giving up a guy who was going to NEVER play here...

smh at some of the people who are complaining lolz....

Truthrising · Post #450 » by **Truthrising** » Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:32 am

YogiStewart wrote:
bonjovi0308 wrote:
RapsFanInVA wrote:Dang, now we're gonna miss out on the next Quincy Miller or Scott Machado in the second round! Everybody get MAD!

Or the next Paul Milsap

from that draft, you had a 1/10 chance of being drafted in the 2nd round and having any sort of impact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_NBA_Draft

Heck i'd rather take the %10 chance, once again BC has messed up..sigh

Sterling_Archer · Post #451 » by **Sterling_Archer** » Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:34 am

Or ginobli. I'm sure he didn't have to add the second in if he really tried.

vinsanity09 · Post #452 » by **vinsanity09** » Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:34 am

RapsFanInVA wrote:Tomislav Zubcic
Quincy Acy
Eden Bavcic
P.J. Tucker
Uros Slokar
Roko Ukic
Albert Miralles
Remon Van de Hare
DeeAndre Hulett

Our 2nd round picks since the new millenium. For every Paul Millsap there are 30 of these guys. I'm not concerned.

Oh man PJ Tucker, a 6'6 PF with no skills at all. Can't believe that he's found his way back to the league with the Suns :lol:

Left Side Drive · Post #453 » by **Left Side Drive** » Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:35 am

Telfair might turn out to be a good player for us, but still. Pointless as in he is expiring and PGs are everywhere in the NBA. No need to send a 2nd round pick for one on trade deadline when it won't even help our "playoff push."

G-UNIT · Post #454 » by **G-UNIT** » Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:39 am

Nice to see someone who can throw some oops to our wings.

parks3981 · Post #455 » by **parks3981** » Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:42 am

A minor deal involving low impact players. This deal gives us a look at how Telfair will look in our system when we decide on a backup in the offseason, as well as insurance in case of a Lucas/Lowry injury. That's about it.

Parataxis · Post #456 » by **Parataxis** » Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:56 am

Sterling_Archer wrote:Or ginobli. I'm sure he didn't have to add the second in if he really tried.

wth are you basing that on?

Landomar · Post #457 » by **Landomar** » Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:20 am

YogiStewart wrote:
Landomar wrote:BC is just awful at asset management.

Lucas is fine as backup PG for this season. Telfair is not clearly better than Lucas. We could sign some free agent scrub to provide 3rd string depth. Haddadi's contract shouldn't be part of the motivation for this trade at all, and I hope that it wasn't. It's so small that just waiving him and paying it ourselves should be inconsequential.

Second round picks aren't worth much, even in good draft years like 2014, but there's no reason to just throw them away at the rate that BC does. I can't stand watching this guy make moves, he's not improving at all, and I want BC gone years ago. I want to have a GM who understands value and long term strategy like an Alex Anthopolous or Darryl Morey.

so, on one hand, a 2nd rnd pick is not worth much, but on the other hand, you don't want it used to acquire a known asset with a relatively known ceiling versus an unknown asset that likely has a lower ceiling? seeing that it will be a mid-2nd rnd pick.

and instead of signing a scrub, we traded for a guy that's better than a scrub. and we used a likely-scrub pick to get a guy that's above scrub level.

got it.

It's the principle of the thing. Second round picks are minor assets, but they are assets. It is helpful to have them around for trade purposes, or for filling out the roster with cheap third string depth that has potential. If you do a good job, it's also possible to occassionally find a diamond in the rough, like a Paul Millsap or Chandler Parsons. Just because a future second rounder has relatively low value doesn't mean that you should just toss it away for marginal talent.

Here's are the main problems with giving up anything to add Telfair:

- He's something like the 60th best PG in the NBA. He's a capable backup if you don't have anyone else, but we already have Lowry and Lucas, and aren't desperate for a "proven" backup. It would be fine to bring in the equivalent of Ben Uzoh or whoever. If we take a chance on someone like this, we could even stumble into the next Jamario Moon or Alan Anderson type, which has value. A random guy would also do just fine as insurance against injuries for the rest of this season.

- Telfair is a free agent at the end of the season, so we're only adding him as injury insurance for the next 27 games, in a season where we aren't making the playoffs and are basically gunning for 9th. Even if we somehow do make a miracle run to the 8th seed, I highly doubt that Telfair is going to be an important part of the story.

geokilla · Post #458 » by **geokilla** » Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:50 am

So which 2nd round did we give away? Like what year?

Green Backpack · Post #459 » by **Green Backpack** » Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:54 am

People are actually crying over a 2nd round pick? Yikes.

Landomar · Post #460 » by **Landomar** » Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:17 am

geokilla wrote:So which 2nd round did we give away? Like what year?

What I read mentioned that it would be a 2014 2nd rd pick, top 36 protected. We will be sending the higher pick of either our own or Sacramento's pick in 2014, if we own that Sacramento pick (which we probably will, as we get it unless it is in the 55-60 range).