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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#81 » by tecumseh18 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:12 am

5DOM wrote:Now that there's nothing we can do with him until the offseason, I see no point in booing him. Management already knows that the city wants him out, and Caliper said the player's oblivious to these things. Nothing we can achieve here.


They're not booing him because they want him gone. They're booing him because they don't see him doing anything. If Bargs actually started posting up, hitting some shots, grabbing some rebounds, etc, the boos would stop.

Let's not confuse cause and effect here. People are booing because Bargs is playing badly, not the reverse. And this not some recent whim - it is has been years in the making.

Not that I agree with the booing. When I bring my kids to the game, I don't want to have to explain what's going on to them. I hate the ongoing Carter ragging for the same reason. It detracts from my enjoyment of the game.
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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#82 » by Raps Maniac » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:12 am

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Haven't you heard players rave about how the home court support matters, how you want to scare the visitors shiatless? Well, how scared is the visiting team when your loudest boos are for your own guy.

As someone said earlier today, a lot of fans WANT Bargnani to fail so they can boo him like some prophesy they need fulfilled. That's the difference between Toronto and a real sports town. The team has won six of the past seven, has a pretty good chance to win the next three, and the fans won't get behind their players.

But you keep moaning about all the years of losing despite the fact the team is turning things around and yet many of you want to fight yesterday's battle.

The Raptors need you to fight today's battle. There is at least a hail Mary's chance of making the playoffs, like the late rush of 2002-03, and many of you would rather engage in team-destructive behaviour.

That's why this is a city of losers. Mike Murphy says, "Hello losers!"


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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#83 » by mtcan » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:12 am

Being nice and coddling Andrea clearly has not gotten him to care...so let's try a different approach.
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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#84 » by Duffman100 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:12 am

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I'm sure he would like that too... but oh wait... he's under contract.


He could walk away at any point. Oh wait, he'd leave millions behind....I wonder why he hasn't walked away.
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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#85 » by Indeed » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:14 am

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22haytham22 wrote:Those fans payed their hard earned cash and they pay that guy's salary and if he isn't providing, hell not even giving effort which is what we want to see than they have every right to boo him


They paid their hard-earned f'k'n'g cash, please don't use that cliche, half of the douches in the building are watching porn all day while stealing time from their employers. Whenever I hear this, I wonder how much effort YOU are giving at your job.

Cut out the sanctimonious BS.

If you want your team to win, you lift them, you don't on them. You are the sixth man they all need. YOU. So why not show a little g-d effort and support tyhem.


I'm sorry, am I being paid 10 million dollars a year? Think about it, 10 million dollars. He could retire tomorrow, at the age of 27 and never have to worry about anything ever again.

Effort is mandatory.


Sorry, paying 10 million dollar means basketball, not simply put someone who has no clue in basketball, but blindnessly put effort on chasing a ball. I coach players before, and I saw 10 years old kids put effort on chasing one soccer ball without having positioning. It is enough for one person in that zone to chase the ball in terms of tactic, and the others have their purpose at their position. Your "effort" measurement is flawed in a structure team game, it doesn't work that way.
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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#86 » by RaptorGuy » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:14 am

buckzxl wrote:Okay I have to totally disagree with Bargs being key to the playoffs. If he starts to give 100% effort then yes that statement would be completely true BUT watching him off the ball is extremely frustrating. He runs out to help block a 3 but only gets half way there at the same time putting him out of position to rebound. He passes the ball and watches team mates drive in without going in for the offensive rebound. Opposing players drive by him and there's literally no resistance. He looks lost on offence not to mention that he always blows his defensive assignment. He is NOT the key to the playoffs, if only he had DeRozan or Valancuinas' motor then he'd be a very important part of our team but currently he lacks motivation which I think he has zero of.


Folks have to lighten up, booing him now is meaningless and deterimental to the team's success. He really could help coming off the bench.
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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#87 » by Duffman100 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:14 am

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Duffman100 wrote:I'm sorry, am I being paid 10 million dollars a year? Think about it, 10 million dollars. He could retire tomorrow, at the age of 27 and never have to worry about anything ever again.

Effort is mandatory.


Effort would be nice of course, but how much a person makes is irrelevant. He's getting paid because he earned his contract by fooling Colangelo.


But it's not irrelevant to the 19,000 people in attendance who will never sniff that amount of money in their lifetime.
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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#88 » by TCHOKE » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:14 am

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Raps Maniac wrote:
I'm sure he would like that too... but oh wait... he's under contract.


He could walk away at any point. Oh wait, he'd leave millions behind....I wonder why he hasn't walked away.


dude you are such a downer
you hated bc for trading the 2nd rder yesterday now your on here hating on bargs
why so much hate homey
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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#89 » by Duffman100 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:15 am

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Sorry, paying 10 million dollar means basketball, not simply put someone who has no clue in basketball, but blindnessly put effort on chasing a ball. I coach players before, and I saw 10 years old kids put effort on chasing one soccer ball without having positioning. It is enough for one person in that zone to chase the ball in terms of tactic, and the others have their purpose at their position. Your "effort" measurement is flawed in a structure team game, it doesn't work that way.


Are you honestly going to argue that Andrea Bargnani is actually trying out there? 100% effort? :D
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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#90 » by Duffman100 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:16 am

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Raps Maniac wrote:
I'm sure he would like that too... but oh wait... he's under contract.


He could walk away at any point. Oh wait, he'd leave millions behind....I wonder why he hasn't walked away.


dude you are such a downer
you hated bc for trading the 2nd rder yesterday now your on here hating on bargs
why so much hate homey


I didn't hate on the 2nd rounder, I just said that if we don't sign Telfair at the end of the season,we gave away an asset. What's wrong with that?
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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#91 » by basketball royalty » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:17 am

whysoserious wrote:Bargnani - 13 minutes, 0-2, 0 points, 0 boards and a -2 for tonight.

Val, only 8 more minutes but grabs 10 boards and blocks 2 shots.

No plays for either player are run. At least Val does other things out there that suggest he should get plays run for him. Just simply having offensive skillset doesn't earn you plays.



Maybe the 19 pts a game he averaged for the team last year as its number one option is suggestion enough that he should maybe get the ball every once and a while.
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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#92 » by RaptorGuy » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:18 am

whysoserious wrote:Go earn the niceness and cheers from the fans. Looking disinterested, missing assignments and not boxing out doesn't get you cheers or get rid of the boos. Everything he's getting is well deserved.

This is on Bargs, not the fans. Show them reasons not to boo you.


You have a point, but was good are you doing by booing him now. We actually are making a run for the playoffs and things are getting interesting. To each his own, I guess folks feel a sense of entitlement.
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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#93 » by MagnusPinus » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:18 am

I don't think it's all Casey.. It's a combination of things..
First he is clearly not trying that hard to be free, and move to demand the ball.. And second it looks like his teammates don't wanna pass him the ball.. Remember "they are the worst team n the league"..

It's big mess. He is pretty much a 10 mil a year contract with no impact right now
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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#94 » by Indeed » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:22 am

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Indeed wrote:
whysoserious wrote:Bargnani - 13 minutes, 0-2, 0 points, 0 boards and a -2 for tonight.

Val, only 8 more minutes but grabs 10 boards and blocks 2 shots.

No plays for either player are run. At least Val does other things out there that suggest he should get plays run for him. Just simply having offensive skillset doesn't earn you plays.


Again, why do you compare him with Jonas? And should Jonas be scoring 20 points every where on the court? The problem is, people are using a wrong measurement on him. Should we see Fields scoring 20 points a game, while Gay should be guarding Melo? They have different roles and assignments, which is the coaches to determine. And Casey did bench Bargnani when he was not playing good defense in the previous game.



I thought you said he was playing such great defense, top 5 man defender, last game.


And Jonas is a good man defender?
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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#95 » by 22haytham22 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:22 am

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22haytham22 wrote:Those fans payed their hard earned cash and they pay that guy's salary and if he isn't providing, hell not even giving effort which is what we want to see than they have every right to boo him


They paid their hard-earned f'k'n'g cash, please don't use that cliche, half of the douches in the building are watching porn all day while stealing time from their employers. Whenever I hear this, I wonder how much effort YOU are giving at your job.

Cut out the sanctimonious BS.

If you want your team to win, you lift them, you don't sit on them, you don't hate on them. You are the sixth man they all need. YOU. So why not show a little g-d effort and support them.

Haven't you heard players rave about how the home court support matters, how you want to scare the visitors shiatless? Well, how scared is the visiting team when your loudest boos are for your own guy.

As someone said earlier today, a lot of fans WANT Bargnani to fail so they can boo him like some prophesy they need fulfilled. That's the difference between Toronto and a real sports town. The team has won six of the past seven, has a pretty good chance to win the next three, and the fans won't get behind their players.

But you keep moaning about all the years of losing despite the fact the team is turning things around and yet many of you want to fight yesterday's battle.

The Raptors need you to fight today's battle. There is at least a hail Mary's chance of making the playoffs, like the late rush of 2002-03, and many of you would rather engage in team-destructive behaviour.

That's why this is a city of losers. Mike Murphy says, "Hello losers!"


Excuse me? I work really hard to pay for my education and whatever side money I have I will purchase a ticket to go watch a Raptors game and if I wanna boo a player for not giving effort than I am entitled to that you have no say in that matter...that is a very ignorant thing to say dagger...look I get what you are trying to say with home court advantage but Bargnani has spent the past 7 years playing with no effort, this is a growing problem that has been happening for a very long time.
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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#96 » by Duffman100 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:22 am

MagnusPinus wrote:I don't think it's all Casey.. It's a combination of things..
First he is clearly not trying that hard to be free, and move to demand the ball.. And second it looks like his teammates don't wanna pass him the ball..


This is also a factor. I have a feeling that his teammates could CARE LESS about the booing. They're probably all thinking 'about god damn time'.
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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#97 » by 5DOM » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:22 am

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Duffman100 wrote:I'm sorry, am I being paid 10 million dollars a year? Think about it, 10 million dollars. He could retire tomorrow, at the age of 27 and never have to worry about anything ever again.

Effort is mandatory.


Effort would be nice of course, but how much a person makes is irrelevant. He's getting paid because he earned his contract by fooling Colangelo.


But it's not irrelevant to the 19,000 people in attendance who will never sniff that amount of money in their lifetime.


That's life, man. I wish I were a 7 footer Italian who didn't have to try to make millions, but I am not. It's unfair but what can you do? Can't spend all my time booing every one luckier than me.
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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#98 » by Strategist1 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:23 am

I do think Bargs should get more touches then he does...

But the 2nd unit consists of Anderson, Lucas, Ross, Fields, Bargnani...and usually Casey likes to leave either Gay or Derozan to play with this unit.

It's a free for all. I think his teamates look him off because most of those guys on the 2nd unit are offence 1st oriented.
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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#99 » by DHK » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:24 am

Duffman100 wrote:
MagnusPinus wrote:I don't think it's all Casey.. It's a combination of things..
First he is clearly not trying that hard to be free, and move to demand the ball.. And second it looks like his teammates don't wanna pass him the ball..


This is also a factor. I have a feeling that his teammates could CARE LESS about the booing. They're probably all thinking 'about god damn time'.

Okay, you are entitled to your "feelings" and assumptions, but there is absolutely little to no evidence that back your point up unless you want to extrapolate tidbits of nothing.
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Re: Be nice to Bargs until the summer...he is key to playoff 

Post#100 » by RaptorGuy » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:25 am

TheRaptor! wrote:lol @ booing your own player.

Such clowns, congrats, you successfully shut down a legitimate scoring option for the other team.


I can't believe that all these clowns feel gratification by booing one of their own players. He will be traded in the summer, almost a given. Let him play and help off the bench with this playoff push.

The boos will affect most players, no good will come out of it at this point of the season. Little kids feel they are entitled to boo a player. Look over the years at how some fans treated TO players (i.e. Leafs, Jays, Raptors) It is a joke.

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