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When will Jonas Valanciunas play in the 4th?

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Re: When will Jonas Valanciunas play in the 4th?

Postby TGM on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:14 pm

I like JVs development. I think as we get closer to end of the season he will be getting PT in the 4th. He is fighting hard on D and rebounding well. In a year or two he will be a very solid double double threat everynight.
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Re: When will Jonas Valanciunas play in the 4th?

Postby TGM on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:15 pm

I like JVs development. I think as we get closer to end of the season he will be getting PT in the 4th. He is fighting hard on D and rebounding well. In a year or two he will be a very solid double double threat everynight.
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Re: When will Jonas Valanciunas play in the 4th?

Postby Kabatnaz on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:21 pm

Did the Raps win tonight?

Stupid thread.
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Re: When will Jonas Valanciunas play in the 4th?

Postby NiagaraRaptor on Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:47 am

Jonas had a great game. I was surprised when Chandler came back in they left Anderson in. Jonas has Chandler's number.
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Re: When will Jonas Valanciunas play in the 4th?

Postby TorontoSlaptors on Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:51 am

he'll play when Caron is on the court
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Re: When will Jonas Valanciunas play in the 4th?

Postby Master Ze on Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:58 am

Inevitable wrote:Val's per36 must be crazy good for a rookie C.

12 points 9 rebounds 2 blocks 5/9 from the field but 5 fouls.
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Re: When will Jonas Valanciunas play in the 4th?

Postby DatBoiCapspace on Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:00 am

This just in, rookies dont play much. Especially rail think 20 year old bigmen rookies from Europe. This is not unique to Casey. Quit blaming him for not playing rookies. No coach plays rookies if they dont have to, and when they do their teams are usually not winners. As long as were in the playoff hunt were still trying to win so give a rest the kid he will get pt in the summer league and be ready for next year.
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Re: When will Jonas Valanciunas play in the 4th?

Postby bigbadstevenson on Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:58 am

He's been playing well. That's what his playing time should depend on -- not whether he's a rookie or European or whatever. If Casey has any reason to expect him not to perform well, he probably shouldn't start him.
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Re: When will Jonas Valanciunas play in the 4th?

Postby Throwback24 on Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:04 am

buckzxl wrote:The real question is when will we lobby for a real head coach like SVG?


After we lobby for a real GM
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Re: When will Jonas Valanciunas play in the 4th?

Postby arbsn on Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:02 am

he's not playing cuz he fouls to much and amir is stronger than him

still think he should have barg's minutes though.
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Re: When will Jonas Valanciunas play in the 4th?

Postby DHK on Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:06 am

The way Casey's system is structured, he promotes a lot of spacing down the stretch so he always prefers one big on the floor rather than the 2. and if he does have 2, he expects one to create spacing (ie bargs). Right now Amir is the best big and the most suited for the role and until Casey decides to revise his system and go for a more traditional lineup at the closing stretch, it's unlikely JV will get floor time in the 4th for quite some while.
I'm starting to see Casey's approach towards JV so I'm fine with the way he's coached.
I'm more worried about Ross however..
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Re: When will Jonas Valanciunas play in the 4th?

Postby Inflymous on Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:35 am

In today's NBA, most teams are rolling with one big these days and I would take Amir over Val 9/10 times. Only thing that pisses me off is when Bargs gets minutes over him.
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Re: When will Jonas Valanciunas play in the 4th?

Postby Lukeem on Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:49 am

Sometime after Casey / new coach realizes giving up offensive rebounds and wide open Layups and dunks is a base thing
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Re: When will Jonas Valanciunas play in the 4th?

Postby Superchunk on Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:31 am

bigbadstevenson wrote:You know what's ridiculous? Even knowing that he won't play much in the second half, Casey still takes him out with 3 fouls in the second quarter. It happened against Memphis most recently. It's stupid to expect a guy to pick up fouls at consistent rate in the first place (all coaches seem to do it anyway); to expect him to pick up fouls at a much higher rate in the 6 minutes he plays in the second half is just absurd. You think he's going to pick up 3 fouls in 6 minutes and you are trying to preserve as many fouls as possible because it's so important to have him on the floor for his entire shift? What the hell, Casey? Are you a f ucking moron?

The whole idea of "foul trouble" is insane, anyway. If you can't afford to have a guy foul out, why can you so easily afford him missing several minutes of play earlier in the game as if fouling out with a lower minute total would be a foregone conclusion if he isn't benched? Are you trying to maximize good players' time on the floor or not? If not, keep taking them out when they're in "foul trouble" and have them playing 8 fewer minutes so that they can finish the game with 3 or 4 fouls.

What Casey's been doing with Valanciunas is significantly less sensible than that.


I've always wondered the same thing. I've seen it countless times with different players and coaches. Smitch was hardcore about it. Take a guy out because he got two fouls in the first, and then sit him the rest of the game. Take a guy out because he has 4 fouls in the 3rd, and never reinsert him. If you have a pretty good idea the guy is only going to play 25 minutes or so, why worry so much about him having 3 fouls? The only thing that makes sense to me is concerns over other players getting foul trouble and ending up with no power forwards or something...but that seems like such a remote concern.
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Re: When will Jonas Valanciunas play in the 4th?

Postby Legal Non-Conforming on Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:44 am

DHK wrote:The way Casey's system is structured, he promotes a lot of spacing down the stretch so he always prefers one big on the floor rather than the 2. and if he does have 2, he expects one to create spacing (ie bargs). Right now Amir is the best big and the most suited for the role and until Casey decides to revise his system and go for a more traditional lineup at the closing stretch, it's unlikely JV will get floor time in the 4th for quite some while.
I'm starting to see Casey's approach towards JV so I'm fine with the way he's coached.
I'm more worried about Ross however..


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