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Re: When will Jonas Valanciunas play in the 4th?
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:15 pm
by atmisback
Legal Non-Conforming wrote:DHK wrote:The way Casey's system is structured, he promotes a lot of spacing down the stretch so he always prefers one big on the floor rather than the 2. and if he does have 2, he expects one to create spacing (ie bargs). Right now Amir is the best big and the most suited for the role and until Casey decides to revise his system and go for a more traditional lineup at the closing stretch, it's unlikely JV will get floor time in the 4th for quite some while.
I'm starting to see Casey's approach towards JV so I'm fine with the way he's coached.
I'm more worried about Ross however..
Ding, ding, ding....we have a winner. Two pages of comments, one attempt to give a real answer (an answer that doesn't assume Casey is an "idiot"). That's Real GM for you.
The problem with this is that it implies that casey is unable to adapt and just plays out his stubborn systems. Just because a coach has a specific system or structure doesn't mean it's right for the team, and that's what seperates the great coaches from the not so great. Last night, Jonas was plus 11 and giving us great rebounding and energy, while anderson was minus 14 and giving us nothing, yet one played zero minutes in the fourth and the other played the majority of the quarter, that to me is not great coaching. The fact that Jonas is a rookie should be irrelevant, you should close the game with the players that give you the best chance to win, simple.
Re: When will Jonas Valanciunas play in the 4th?
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:22 pm
by Legal Non-Conforming
atmisback wrote:Legal Non-Conforming wrote:DHK wrote:The way Casey's system is structured, he promotes a lot of spacing down the stretch so he always prefers one big on the floor rather than the 2. and if he does have 2, he expects one to create spacing (ie bargs). Right now Amir is the best big and the most suited for the role and until Casey decides to revise his system and go for a more traditional lineup at the closing stretch, it's unlikely JV will get floor time in the 4th for quite some while.
I'm starting to see Casey's approach towards JV so I'm fine with the way he's coached.
I'm more worried about Ross however..
Ding, ding, ding....we have a winner. Two pages of comments, one attempt to give a real answer (an answer that doesn't assume Casey is an "idiot"). That's Real GM for you.
The problem with this is that it implies that casey is unable to adapt and just plays out his stubborn systems. Just because a coach has a specific system or structure doesn't mean it's right for the team, and that's what seperates the great coaches from the not so great. Last night, Jonas was plus 11 and giving us great rebounding and energy, while anderson was minus 14 and giving us nothing, yet one played zero minutes in the fourth and the other played the majority of the quarter, that to me is not great coaching. The fact that Jonas is a rookie should be irrelevant, you should close the game with the players that give you the best chance to win, simple.
You don't see the irony in your response?
Re: When will Jonas Valanciunas play in the 4th?
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:42 pm
by atmisback
Legal Non-Conforming wrote:You don't see the irony in your response?
That they won even tho Anderson played such heavy minutes in the fourth?
if that was it, I would attribute last night's victory to Rudy having a big fourth quarter rather than a great coaching night. Look I don't think Casey is the worst thing to hit coaching like some people claim but he does have a lot to learn and for fans to question some of his rotations and decisions is fully warranted, atleast in my opinion.
Re: When will Jonas Valanciunas play in the 4th?
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:33 pm
by no dice
raptorfan416 wrote:brags played in the 4th and not val
oh casey.
casey prolly feels like he needs to develop ab's confident back since we are stuck w him this season. From no.1 option to bench warmer is hard for anyone to take. Dunno wtf is with AA though. He was stinking up the joint this game.
Re: When will Jonas Valanciunas play in the 4th?
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:54 pm
by Yoga
Jonas V's defense and rebounding could come in handy, when the game is on the line in the 4th
Re: When will Jonas Valanciunas play in the 4th?
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:40 pm
by Mototaupa
atmisback wrote:Legal Non-Conforming wrote:You don't see the irony in your response?
That they won even tho Anderson played such heavy minutes in the fourth?
if that was it, I would attribute last night's victory to Rudy having a big fourth quarter rather than a great coaching night. Look I don't think Casey is the worst thing to hit coaching like some people claim but he does have a lot to learn and for fans to question some of his rotations and decisions is fully warranted, atleast in my opinion.
Toronto lost 4th quarter 28-21 (by 25%) dont think having JV would make it much worse, because he was +11 that game
Re: When will Jonas Valanciunas play in the 4th?
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:53 pm
by Alfred
One of the reasons you don't want to have a big on the floor in the fourth quarter is free throw shooting. However, Valanciunas shoots almost 75% from the line, so it's not like you're killing yourself on that front.
It's pretty obvious that when we go with these tiny lineups in the fourth quarter, we get absolutely smoked on the boards and inside defensively.
Re: When will Jonas Valanciunas play in the 4th?
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:07 pm
by Inevitable
Amir is our best all-round big man right now, in a close game down the stretch it is clear he doesn't want Val to blow crucial assignments or turn the ball over from just inexperience being a rookie big man. I guarantee possibly by the end of the year or starting next year Val will be closing games.
Re: When will Jonas Valanciunas play in the 4th?
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:09 pm
by LRJ
buckzxl wrote:The real question is when will we lobby for a real head coach like SVG?
Re: When will Jonas Valanciunas play in the 4th?
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:10 pm
by xprt
Jonas should get opportunity to prove himself in 4th quarter imo. Remember the game against spurs how fantastic he played in 4th? I am tired of Casey making adjustments to other coaches. Good coaches dont adjust they lead.
Re: When will Jonas Valanciunas play in the 4th?
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:12 pm
by xprt
Inevitable wrote:Amir is our best all-round big man right now, in a close game down the stretch it is clear he doesn't want Val to blow crucial assignments or turn the ball over from just inexperience being a rookie big man. I guarantee possibly by the end of the year or starting next year Val will be closing games.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtHePRwxwYY[/youtube]
And how should he prove he wont blow it out if he doesnt get a chance?
Re: When will Jonas Valanciunas play in the 4th?
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:15 pm
by Inevitable
xprt wrote:Inevitable wrote:Amir is our best all-round big man right now, in a close game down the stretch it is clear he doesn't want Val to blow crucial assignments or turn the ball over from just inexperience being a rookie big man. I guarantee possibly by the end of the year or starting next year Val will be closing games.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtHePRwxwYY[/youtube]
And how should he prove he wont blow it out if he doesnt get a chance?
Obviously a one game sample won't prove he's ready or not, and on the other hand I am for having him on down the stretch but at this point it is clear Casey is going with Amir as the more experienced big man on the court.
Another aspect to this is most teams now are closing with 4 smalls and one big anyways and many starting C's don't close games too often it is usually the 4 man playing minutes at the 5 so it's also a matchup issue if you have JV guarding a 4 man.