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Post#41 Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:41 am by basketball royalty

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True story. DC is ridiculous in allowing Lucas and AA shoot like their last names were Bryant and freeze out Bargnani completely. If you asked me I'd say those two made a pact with one another to only pass to each other when on the court together.

If BC doesn't want that 10 MIL a year to go to waste he needs to get these guys off the team and save Casey from his stupid self. Telfair was brought in for a reason, lets hope Casey gets the message.



Those guys are fighting for their Nba life.. they r not even true Nba players.. they try to show something to everybody, but they r harming the team more than everything.

But I don't think we can blame only Casey. i think the teammates just don't see Bargnani as part of the group.. They should first accept him and try to involve him. Now it looks like the cold war.. and with the personality he has (not great) Bargnani is just being a lazy careless guy right now




Sure it is on Casey. He obviously likes what these guys do on the floor or has no control over a couple guys who like you say are barely NBA players. You think BC doesn't think that guys like Andrea and Fields should be playing a biger role on the team than these two? We can only hope that Telfair will be used and having a real PG on the second unit to make the decisions we will see more out of AB and LF.
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Post#42 Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:41 am by Neutral 123

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Neutral 123 wrote:Huh? He played beside a likely future hall of fame player in Bosh.



hahahaha :lol:

hof no longer holds any meaning if they put that scrub in there

Meh, I'm not interested in defending Bosh. Fact is, Barfs has always been bad regardless. It's also ridiculous for his fanbois to try and argue that he'd be better on a better team.
To them, it's like everyone wants the money they are never going to make. amluvinit2 on the tea party..
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Post#43 Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:41 am by MagnusPinus

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so the sports analyst is wrong, and u get it? Okay buddy..... :lol: :lol: :lol:

He is what he is, how much longer are we to wait for him to turn into the player BC wanted him to be? Its been 7 years and he still doesn't have a clue. If this were your job and you couldn't grasp the task or duties correctly do you think they would keep your around?



The sports analyst more than often are superficial and talk without watching all the games.. especially the games of a terrible Toronto Raptors team like we were these years.. I saw basically all the games Bargnani played these years, as many Toronto Raptors fans.. we can be more competent than those guys regarding the Toronto Raptors.

It's too easy to say now he is just a shooter, he is very bad.. and all.. Bargnani is not just a shooter.. at his best he was playing a very complete game offensively, being a nightmare for the defense.. And I say it again.. he was playing in a terrible terrible team.. now u can see Bargnani now and say he is useless he can only take some shots.. cos now, he does not even care and he just jogs on the floor.. but how the hell ppl can say bargnani has always been like now..
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Post#44 Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:45 am by Tacoma

MagnusPinus wrote:He has been a consistent scorer for the team thru the years, playing alongside terrible teammates.. some Nbdl players.. some talented but very raw youngsters like Demar..
This year he just bailed out.. He had too much of it.. It's not easy to lose lose and lose, cos your Gm doesn't put a decent team on and you r getting all the blame... Then a good player arrives and he is basically out.. hated by fans, hated by the teammates.

He doesn't care anymore at all, and the team is not interested in involving him in the game.. U can criticize for him not putting any effort now.. But it's stupid just saying he is ****, and he can't play, cos it's unfair and not true


This is deja vu all over again with the excuses for his poor play. Bargs has NOT BEEN a consistent scorer, he's been hot and cold for his whole career. He had a 13-game hot streak last year, then went cold that continues to today. Every damn year during one of his hot shooting streaks, Bargs apologists would start a thread here that he's had finally turned it around or asking haters to eat crow, or whatever. But each and every time, that hot streak ends.

I don't dispute your assertion that BC has put out a crap team. But I don't use this as an excuse for Bargs poor play. On the contrary, if Bargs has any motivation and desire to put forth more effort and lead this team, maybe this team wouldn't have been so bad. A good example is Gay. This team was a borderline bottom 5 team before Gay arrived and now it looks to be a borderline playoff team.

Bargs is NOT the victim here; on the contrary, his teammates are the victims when everyone is giving 100% and Bargs is floating around in space as if it's his devine right to get the ball no matter how lazy he plays and then checks out like a child when things don't go his way.

Bargs is no longer BC's favorite child and there is no longer the mandate for the coach to "ride him come hell or high water" like Casey said last November. Now he has to earn his playing time like everyone else.. as it should've been in the first place a long long time ago.
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Post#45 Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:46 am by whysoserious

MagnusPinus wrote:
Neutral 123 wrote:He might be able to do these things in the Italian league, but certainly not in the NBA.



bull.. U guys have short memory.
This year he has been a disgrace but u can't forget all those games when Bargnani carried the team.. And now it's easy to go against him.. but u have to realize the last years the teams he had to play in.. We were such a disgrace talent wise... He had to play with Nbdl teammates for years..

Now after an injury he comes back and suddenly he is the cause of everything that happened to the raptors these years... Go check the rosters we had please.. go check.. I can't wait till he gets traded and does very well on a good team.. He is just over here.. too many bad years, too many things have changed. It's time to start fresh for the team, and for him. But not giving him respect for sticking to team, and playing in such a bad organization is absolutely shameful


One could say the same thing about Bosh and some of the teams he had but he still played his ass off every time he stepped on the court. You point to all these games Bargs carried us in, can you list them all? For all that he played with passion and effort for that mini stretch last year, there's more evidence of the opposite than there is of his exceptional play.

He's had more bad than good, when do people realize that that is more Bargs than the exceptional? I mean we've tried every role for this guy and he still can't get it together and now you're hanging you're hat on him going somewhere else and suddenly breaking out?

We all know he has the tools to be a good NBA player (never a great one) but his mental makeup keeps him from even being a good role player.
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Post#46 Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:47 am by Undefeated

A "specialist" shooter that can't shoot... Yikes
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Post#47 Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:07 pm by BryceMaxJames

MagnusPinus wrote:
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so the sports analyst is wrong, and u get it? Okay buddy..... :lol: :lol: :lol:

He is what he is, how much longer are we to wait for him to turn into the player BC wanted him to be? Its been 7 years and he still doesn't have a clue. If this were your job and you couldn't grasp the task or duties correctly do you think they would keep your around?



The sports analyst more than often are superficial and talk without watching all the games.. especially the games of a terrible Toronto Raptors team like we were these years.. I saw basically all the games Bargnani played these years, as many Toronto Raptors fans.. we can be more competent than those guys regarding the Toronto Raptors.

It's too easy to say now he is just a shooter, he is very bad.. and all.. Bargnani is not just a shooter.. at his best he was playing a very complete game offensively, being a nightmare for the defense.. And I say it again.. he was playing in a terrible terrible team.. now u can see Bargnani now and say he is useless he can only take some shots.. cos now, he does not even care and he just jogs on the floor.. but how the hell ppl can say bargnani has always been like now..


I was gonna give u a good rebuttal but then seen where your location is from (Italy). So I'll just say enjoy the rest of the season. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post#48 Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:20 pm by Haisan

Take a look at AB's numbers -- he's been declining for five years now.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... nan01.html

TS% down. eFG% down. 3pt% down. Rebounding rate down. The only thing that has improved over the past five yeas has been AB's ability to draw fouls, and even that has plummeted this year.

When he tries, he can be a very good one-on-one defender, but as soon as the other team starts moving the ball around he's totally useless. Unless the ball is right in front of him, he has no idea what to do. Blah.

Aldridge was exactly right. And the sooner we get a GM in who has a clue, the better off we'll all be.
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Post#49 Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:25 pm by MagnusPinus

BryceMaxJames wrote:
I was gonna give u a good rebuttal but then seen where your location is from (Italy). So I'll just say enjoy the rest of the season. :lol: :lol: :lol:



well.. so u really think Nba analyst are reliable and competent.. maybe is just that they are adapting to the audience, that in general is pretty ignorant regarding the game.. But they are always oversimplifying things, and more than often talking without being completely informed
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The only thing Curry will raise from the start of the season is his cholesterol.
People do not understand Curry's reason for wanting to be a ballerina. He wanted to be able to contort his body to be able to fit in the fridge.
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Post#50 Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:30 pm by whysoserious

MagnusPinus wrote:
BryceMaxJames wrote:
I was gonna give u a good rebuttal but then seen where your location is from (Italy). So I'll just say enjoy the rest of the season. :lol: :lol: :lol:



well.. so u really think Nba analyst are reliable and competent.. maybe is just that they are adapting to the audience, that in general is pretty ignorant regarding the game.. But they are always oversimplifying things, and more than often talking without being completely informed


You're right, Bargs game is just so complicated, he does so much that no one can really see. Just put him on another team and watch he'll just absolutely go beast even though we have no evidence that that would ever happen.

As Tacoma pointed out, this guy is simply a hot and cold player. The reason he's like that is due to his own mental makeup and he doesn't put in the effort every game. No one here would deny this guy has the skills and tools to be a top player. The fact is though, he is unable to put it together. You may have a point of putting him in a different situation if we had never given him the opportunity. But the fact is in 7 years, he's been given every opportunity, put in every role and been coddled enough here and he still hasn't put it together.
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Post#51 Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:32 pm by KnickerBonkerz

Everyone keeps calling him a shooter, but I have yet to see him make shots with any consistency
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Post#52 Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:32 pm by raptorfan416

1 word : amnesty. end of thread.
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Post#53 Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:33 pm by MagnusPinus

raptorfan416 wrote:1 word : amnesty. end of thread.



Yes please.. It would be amazing :) So he can join wherever he wants and win an Nba title :D
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The only thing Curry will raise from the start of the season is his cholesterol.
People do not understand Curry's reason for wanting to be a ballerina. He wanted to be able to contort his body to be able to fit in the fridge.
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Post#54 Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:35 pm by MEDIC

Like I said before the fans need to put their big boy pants on, suck up their "feelings", shut the hell up.....stop booing & support this TEAM. What they are doing is rediculous & petty.

BC is in a situation right now where he needs to somehow flip this contract for something useful. It's going to take patience.

I would have never guessed that he could trade Calderon's contract for Rudy Gay.

We need to be patient & hope this thing figures itself out. It's an uncomfortable position for everyone. Not just the fans.

The fans are being selfish.
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Post#55 Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:37 pm by whysoserious

MEDIC wrote:Like I said before the fans need to put their big boy pants on, suck up their "feelings", shut the hell up.....stop booing & support this TEAM. What they are doing is rediculous & petty.

BC is in a situation right now where he needs to somehow flip this contract for something useful. It's going to take patience.

I would have never guessed that he could trade Calderon's contract for Rudy Gay.

We need to be patient & hope this thing figures itself out. It's an uncomfortable position for everyone. Not just the fans.

The fans are being selfish.


Maybe someone can say the same to Bargs and suck it up and put his big boy pants on. Look, I'm not advocating booing our team but that's not what those fans were doing. They are targeting a player that is out there and looks like he doesn't care while the rest of the team is.

Booing him doesn't really do anything, that point is clear. Not booing him though is not doing anything for him either. He is what he is. The only person that has control to stop the booing is Bargs. Go hustle, the boos will stop, make some shots on top of that and the cheers will come as the rest of the team is receiving from the fans.
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Post#56 Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:42 pm by ItsDanger

Big guys need someone to give them the ball. When Bargs plays with chuckers, good luck getting any shots.
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Post#57 Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:44 pm by KrazyP

Haisan wrote:Take a look at AB's numbers -- he's been declining for five years now.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... nan01.html

TS% down. eFG% down. 3pt% down. Rebounding rate down. The only thing that has improved over the past five yeas has been AB's ability to draw fouls, and even that has plummeted this year.

When he tries, he can be a very good one-on-one defender, but as soon as the other team starts moving the ball around he's totally useless. Unless the ball is right in front of him, he has no idea what to do. Blah.

Aldridge was exactly right. And the sooner we get a GM in who has a clue, the better off we'll all be.


People who cant take stats in context shouldnt read them at all.

TS%, eFG%, etc are highly dependant on role, coaching, teammates, system, playcalls, etc. This is why players who move from one team to another can often have their efficiency stats change. The fact that Bargnani % went down is more of a reflection of the team trying to force him into a #1 option role overtime rather than him becoming a worse player. Look at Gays numbers, his % have also come down to miserably low levels. Does that mean he suddenly sucks?
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Post#58 Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:46 pm by Haisan

ItsDanger wrote:Big guys need someone to give them the ball. When Bargs plays with chuckers, good luck getting any shots.


Here's a thought -- how about Bargnani concentrate on defense for a while? Or rebounds? How about some screens? Is that too much to ask? Or does he need to have one of the team's worst DRats to operate?

Bargnani has never had a year when his DRat was lower than his ORat, but last year at least it got close. This year the difference is miserable again.
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Post#59 Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:52 pm by Haisan

KrazyP wrote:People who cant take stats in context shouldnt read them at all.


Right back at you.

What context says Bargnani should rebound even less than he was before? Or be one of the team's worst defenders? Gay is now rebounding, assisting and not turning the ball over better than he ever has, so apparently changing teams did not kill all his numbers.
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Post#60 Re: David Aldridge talks Bargnani
Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:53 pm by Kreamy

I think the Celtics could entertain something along those lines of Bargnani for Avery Bradley and Brandon Bass in the off-season. They'll definitely be looking to make some moves.
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