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orbesnet wrote:

Cross-over wrote:IMHO its looking like an Amnesty is the solution but from what I gather(daggers thread) we gain nothing capwise by doing it so I guess you keep him around and hope he someday gets it.

I thought the whole point of amnesty was to free up cap sapce?!!! You still have to pay the guy but he doesn't count towards your cap/tax situation.

We just added a 20 million dollar player, amnestying him before the trade might have helped with Jose just expiring, it doesn't now under our current cap situation.

Big Shot wrote:If the Boozer deal is still there in the offseason, just take it and run and worry about the luxury tax later.

Seems like a water proof plan boss.

Neutral 123 wrote:He might be able to do these things in the Italian league, but certainly not in the NBA.

bull.. U guys have short memory.
This year he has been a disgrace but u can't forget all those games when Bargnani carried the team.. And now it's easy to go against him.. but u have to realize the last years the teams he had to play in.. We were such a disgrace talent wise... He had to play with Nbdl teammates for years..

Now after an injury he comes back and suddenly he is the cause of everything that happened to the raptors these years... Go check the rosters we had please.. go check.. I can't wait till he gets traded and does very well on a good team.. He is just over here.. too many bad years, too many things have changed. It's time to start fresh for the team, and for him. But not giving him respect for sticking to team, and playing in such a bad organization is absolutely shameful

Klieza yesterday denied reports he intends to go to Europe and play there, so he is picking his option. Klieza will be an expiring next season and will be easy to move.

If there is no team that wants Andrea, maybe he should explore playing in Europe? If he wants to stay in the NBA, BC should speak with Bargnani and his agent about the possibility of not picking up his ETO of 2014. Becoming an expiring next year, which would make him much more easy to move especially packaged with Klieza or a young asset like Ross for an established player.
If that fails then yes the amnesty is the last option. BC will never pull the trigger on it, but a new GM (empowered by new ownership) will not hesitate twice.

Enough wuth the dancing BC, stop the propaganda he has no value and everyone knows.

pts reb and defense isn't even they key for this man, those all come later...the main thing u gotta learn before any skill is trying hard, working hard, he doesn't even give full effort out there, his energy level and awareness needs to be better, just look at 20 yr old jonas and amir hustling and working hard every play

3thomas wrote:Klieza yesterday denied reports he intends to go to Europe and play there, so he is picking his option. Klieza will be an expiring next season and will be easy to move.

If there is no team that wants Andrea, maybe he should explore playing in Europe? If he wants to stay in the NBA, BC should speak with Bargnani and his agent about the possibility of not picking up his ETO of 2014. Becoming an expiring next year, which would make him much more easy to move especially packaged with Klieza or a young asset like Ross for an established player.
If that fails then yes the amnesty is the last option. BC will never pull the trigger on it, but a new GM (empowered by new ownership) will not hesitate twice.

Enough wuth the dancing BC, stop the propaganda he has no value and everyone knows.

Come on now.. he is an excellent Nba player when committed.. It's not the point.. and even his contract his relatively short.. cos next year is his last.. The problem is Colangelo asking too much for a guy who doesn't care anymore, and just is waiting to change his address.

In this league we've seen stars been traded for a bag of chips.. and Colangelo is asking for the moon in exchange for a guy that has basically finished playing for Toronto..

I'm not that much on the make the playoff bandwagon (given the status of the pick and the supposed quality of the next two drafts) but a few quality games from him in the playoffs, even if the team gets swept, could do wonders for his trade value in the offseason. I'm not saying it will restore his value completely but it would go a long way. One game in playoffs equals 10 in the regular season it seems value-wise. However the way he is being used right now there is zero chance of that happening.

MagnusPinus wrote:

Neutral 123 wrote:He might be able to do these things in the Italian league, but certainly not in the NBA.

bull.. U guys have short memory.
This year he has been a disgrace but u can't forget all those games when Bargnani carried the team.. And now it's easy to go against him.. but u have to realize the last years the teams he had to play in.. We were such a disgrace talent wise... He had to play with Nbdl teammates for years..

Now after an injury he comes back and suddenly he is the cause of everything that happened to the raptors these years... Go check the rosters we had please.. go check.. I can't wait till he gets traded and does very well on a good team.. He is just over here.. too many bad years, too many things have changed. It's time to start fresh for the team, and for him. But not giving him respect for sticking to team, and playing in such a bad organization is absolutely shameful

What? he's never carried the team and has always been garbage. What a joke. The guy's an embarrassment to Italy and the game of basketball. If he was a black playing football in Italy, he would have had a plantation full of bananas thrown at him years ago!

All this is crap , Bargs can do more than one thing and he was when he was playing good , he was shooting and attacking the basket drawing fouls and hitting free throws . there were a few games that he seemed unstoppable and that player is still in there we just need to find a way to bring him out . That same guy was playing decent defense against the monsters of the league and that also helped us a lot . Remember the game against the kings when Bargs was hurt and Cousins just single handedily destroyed our team that is where Bargs can help a lot .

Neutral 123 wrote:What? he's never carried the team and has always been garbage. What a joke. The guy's an embarrassment to Italy and the game of basketball. If he was a black playing football in Italy, he would have had a plantation full of bananas thrown at him years ago!

He has been a consistent scorer for the team thru the years, playing alongside terrible teammates.. some Nbdl players.. some talented but very raw youngsters like Demar..
This year he just bailed out.. He had too much of it.. It's not easy to lose lose and lose, cos your Gm doesn't put a decent team on and you r getting all the blame... Then a good player arrives and he is basically out.. hated by fans, hated by the teammates.

He doesn't care anymore at all, and the team is not interested in involving him in the game.. U can criticize for him not putting any effort now.. But it's stupid just saying he is ****, and he can't play, cos it's unfair and not true

thunderforce wrote:All this is crap , Bargs can do more than one thing and he was when he was playing good , he was shooting and attacking the basket drawing fouls and hitting free throws . there were a few games that he seemed unstoppable and that player is still in there we just need to find a way to bring him out . That same guy was playing decent defense against the monsters of the league and that also helped us a lot . Remember the game against the kings when Bargs was hurt and Cousins just single handedily destroyed our team that is where Bargs can help a lot .

This happened only in your imagination!

MagnusPinus wrote:

Neutral 123 wrote:What? he's never carried the team and has always been garbage. What a joke. The guy's an embarrassment to Italy and the game of basketball. If he was a black playing football in Italy, he would have had a plantation full of bananas thrown at him years ago!

He has been a consistent scorer for the team thru the years, playing alongside terrible teammates.. some Nbdl players.. some talented but very raw youngsters like Demar..
This year he just bailed out.. He had too much of it.. It's not easy to lose lose and lose, cos your Gm doesn't put a decent team on and you r getting all the blame... Then a good player arrives and he is basically out.. hated by fans, hated by the teammates.

He doesn't care anymore at all, and the team is not interested in involving him in the game.. U can criticize for him not putting any effort now.. But it's stupid just saying he is ****, and he can't play, cos it's unfair and not true

Huh? He played beside a likely future hall of fame player in Bosh. He's just garbage. He's is, was, and always will be. Him having a lucky game or two here or there doesn't make him good. Him deciding to play with an acceptable level of effort once in a blue moon doesn't make him good. The guy is garbage, and even a broken clock is right twice a day. In Bargs case he's right about twice a year.

the coaching staff has really gotta do a better job with bargs, 2 seasons ago he was our 1st option at 21ppg on 45%FG...thats solid, even before that he was a 15 and 17 on 46% and 47% player...for all his flaws, he has offensive skills that can be easily incorporated into any offense...too bad our coaching staff is offensively challenged with probably the worst playbook in all of nba

MagnusPinus wrote:

3thomas wrote:Klieza yesterday denied reports he intends to go to Europe and play there, so he is picking his option. Klieza will be an expiring next season and will be easy to move.

If there is no team that wants Andrea, maybe he should explore playing in Europe? If he wants to stay in the NBA, BC should speak with Bargnani and his agent about the possibility of not picking up his ETO of 2014. Becoming an expiring next year, which would make him much more easy to move especially packaged with Klieza or a young asset like Ross for an established player.
If that fails then yes the amnesty is the last option. BC will never pull the trigger on it, but a new GM (empowered by new ownership) will not hesitate twice.

Enough wuth the dancing BC, stop the propaganda he has no value and everyone knows.

Come on now.. he is an excellent Nba player when committed.. It's not the point.. and even his contract his relatively short.. cos next year is his last.. The problem is Colangelo asking too much for a guy who doesn't care anymore, and just is waiting to change his address.

In this league we've seen stars been traded for a bag of chips.. and Colangelo is asking for the moon in exchange for a guy that has basically finished playing for Toronto..

Personally I do not think Colangelo was even offered a bag of chips for Bargnani, The only deals rumored were Boozer and Stoudemire. Both entail bringing back a much older (Boozer) more expensive injury prone player, putting the team in luxury tax teritory with no play off guarantee.

If BC was offered anything half decent he would have pulled the trigger and circumvented this ugly outcome we are discussing today. Reality is his time here is up, and there are a few options on the table, Bargnani has to cooperate in order for both parties have a positive outcome.

Neutral 123 wrote:Huh? He played beside a likely future hall of fame player in Bosh. He's just garbage. He's is, was, and always will be. Him having a lucky game or two here or there doesn't make him good. Him deciding to play with an acceptable level of effort once in a blue moon doesn't make him good. The guy is garbage, and even a broken clock is right twice a day. In Bargs case he's right about twice a year.

First.. when he was with Bosh he was very limited.. was forced to defend against centers, and had to take the crumbles offensively, simply because they were the same player.. same position, same spaces occupied on the floor..

Then he had 2 years averagin 20 points a game, with a terrible terrible team. In this last year and a half he has been affected by injuries, and in general he has lost will to play here..

I think his interview when he said "this is the worst team..." was his ruin.. now He is done.. fans hate him.. Teammates hate him.. and they r not willing to involve him in the game. Even the GM is not talking positive about him. He is in a hostile environment, and yes, it's fault is that he is just letting down. He is not reacting. He is waiting for this to finish. That' a negative. But ignoring the player he was, and might well be again, it's utterly stupid

Maybe playing with Telfair will be good for Bargs because Lucas won't get the ball to Rudy never mind Bargs . I hope they give Bargs the ball more and tell him to attack because he can play at a high level .

3thomas wrote:
Personally I do not think Colangelo was even offered a bag of chips for Bargnani, The only deals rumored were Boozer and Stoudemire. Both entail bringing back a much older (Boozer) more expensive injury prone player, putting the team in luxury tax teritory with no play off guarantee.

If BC was offered anything half decent he would have pulled the trigger and circumvented this ugly outcome we are discussing today. Reality is his time here is up, and there are a few options on the table, Bargnani has to cooperate in order for both parties have a positive outcome.

I think he could have had some expiring contracts for him.. But Colangelo wants to improve the team by trading Bargnani.. Well, good luck then

dballislife wrote:the coaching staff has really gotta do a better job with bargs, 2 seasons ago he was our 1st option at 21ppg on 45%FG...thats solid, even before that he was a 15 and 17 on 46% and 47% player...for all his flaws, he has offensive skills that can be easily incorporated into any offense...too bad our coaching staff is offensively challenged with probably the worst playbook in all of nba

True story. DC is ridiculous in allowing Lucas and AA shoot like their last names were Bryant and freeze out Bargnani completely. If you asked me I'd say those two made a pact with one another to only pass to each other when on the court together.

If BC doesn't want that 10 MIL a year to go to waste he needs to get these guys off the team and save Casey from his stupid self. Telfair was brought in for a reason, lets hope Casey gets the message.

basketball royalty wrote:
True story. DC is ridiculous in allowing Lucas and AA shoot like their last names were Bryant and freeze out Bargnani completely. If you asked me I'd say those two made a pact with one another to only pass to each other when on the court together.

If BC doesn't want that 10 MIL a year to go to waste he needs to get these guys off the team and save Casey from his stupid self. Telfair was brought in for a reason, lets hope Casey gets the message.

Those guys are fighting for their Nba life.. they r not even true Nba players.. they try to show something to everybody, but they r harming the team more than everything.

But I don't think we can blame only Casey. i think the teammates just don't see Bargnani as part of the group.. They should first accept him and try to involve him. Now it looks like the cold war.. and with the personality he has (not great) Bargnani is just being a lazy careless guy right now

MagnusPinus wrote:

Neutral 123 wrote:Huh? He played beside a likely future hall of fame player in Bosh. He's just garbage. He's is, was, and always will be. Him having a lucky game or two here or there doesn't make him good. Him deciding to play with an acceptable level of effort once in a blue moon doesn't make him good. The guy is garbage, and even a broken clock is right twice a day. In Bargs case he's right about twice a year.

First.. when he was with Bosh he was very limited.. was forced to defend against centers, and had to take the crumbles offensively, simply because they were the same player.. same position, same spaces occupied on the floor..

Then he had 2 years averagin 20 points a game, with a terrible terrible team. In this last year and a half he has been affected by injuries, and in general he has lost will to play here..

I think his interview when he said "this is the worst team..." was his ruin.. now He is done.. fans hate him.. Teammates hate him.. and they r not willing to involve him in the game. Even the GM is not talking positive about him. He is in a hostile environment, and yes, it's fault is that he is just letting down. He is not reacting. He is waiting for this to finish. That' a negative. But ignoring the player he was, and might well be again, it's utterly stupid

LOL, that scrub averaged 20 a game like Mike James averaged 20 a game. He's only a 20 a point guy when he's the only scorer on the team. He doesn't make anyone else better, is a huge liability defensively. The worst part is, his lack of defense and rebounding are the only two consistent aspects of his game. Maybe he'd do better in Italy? He's not a star in the NBA. At his best he was arguably 6th man material. Now? He's a 10th-12th man. Il Vago needs to go.