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So is Terrence Ross Now a SF?

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So is Terrence Ross Now a SF? 

Post#1 » by sweetcity » Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:40 pm

Ross seems to be guarding SF's now that he is starting and doing a pretty good job of it. Is he now basically a SF on a go forward basis? Ross seems to compliment DD well with the spacing and D he provides, does this make sense that he becomes a SF?
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Re: So is Terrence Ross Now a SF? 

Post#2 » by Laure » Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:42 pm

In this team's setup, yes. He's also probably the only SF in the league who doesn't weigh 200lbs, so I'm still not sure about his future at the 3.
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Re: So is Terrence Ross Now a SF? 

Post#3 » by gamer1035 » Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:44 pm

Maybe he can put on some muscle and truly become a small forward, but we've all seen how well putting on muscle (fat) did for Rudy and Bargnani
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Re: So is Terrence Ross Now a SF? 

Post#4 » by sweetcity » Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:44 pm

what would the average size be for most SF's in the league?
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Re: So is Terrence Ross Now a SF? 

Post#5 » by carl_english » Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:46 pm

He should stay SG and get stronger, not bulkier.
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Re: So is Terrence Ross Now a SF? 

Post#6 » by Hendrix » Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:49 pm

I don't think he's a SF, but the league is so watered down at SF that it doesn't seem to be a big deal.

There' probably only a few SF's that are even good enough to give him trouble, and some of those SF's (Lebron, Melo) play a lot of PF anyways.
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Re: So is Terrence Ross Now a SF? 

Post#7 » by Dalek » Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:55 pm

sweetcity wrote:what would the average size be for most SF's in the league?


I'd say that question is impossible to answer since many of the traditional SF are now stretch PFs. A guy like Thad Young used to be a perfect SF, 6-8/ 6-9 230-240 lbs, but many teams are opting for those players to be PFs. Lebron James and Paul Pierce both play PF for stretches now.

I'd say Ross is too small to be a full time SF, but the new NBA he could fit the bill. We pack the paint so few post up guys can bully us, and our guards rotate so fast onto the perimeter we can help and recover as well as the elite teams like Miami and Indy.

Ross is basically a taller SG in a lightweight body. Right now he is hard to gameplan against because he can be a defensive gamechanger.
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Re: So is Terrence Ross Now a SF? 

Post#8 » by Steve Urkel » Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:56 pm

carl_english wrote:He should stay SG and get stronger, not bulkier.


Yeah, If he does put on more weight it just has to be controlled and not significantly change his quickness and mobility. His biggest asset on the defensive end is his footspeed/quickness and he gets by on that even though he still has a bit to learn about playing defence more intelligently. I like Ross most when he's guarding a guy who likes to drive to the hoop often since he's able to stay in front of them fairly well and bother them on the way to the hoop (i.e. guarding Wade, Wall, Harden) opposed to guarding more of a jump shooter where he seems to not be quite as good at closing out.
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Re: So is Terrence Ross Now a SF? 

Post#9 » by tdotrep2 » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:00 pm

gamer1035 wrote:Maybe he can put on some muscle and truly become a small forward, but we've all seen how well putting on muscle (fat) did for Rudy and Bargnani


Don't talk like this, his quickness is his main asset

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Post#10 » by andog_22 » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:00 pm

I don't think that modern basketball has the classic positions of point guard, shooting guard, small forward, power forward and center. Modern basketball has gone away from these classical categorization to the modern point guard, wings, trail/stretch, post/big. I think the most important thing is having your best 5 balance players playing rather than worrying about what position each plays
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Post#11 » by Maternal » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:01 pm

NBA is about match ups. The position one plays is irrelevant. If we play Miami for example Demar will most likely guard James regardless of what position he's listed at.
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Post#12 » by timdunkit » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:03 pm

He guards the most potent wing attack, freeing up Derozan.

I wouldn't want him to get bulkier. His best asset defensively is his lateral quickness. Now why in god names would you want to compromise that?
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Re: So is Terrence Ross Now a SF? 

Post#13 » by Matty » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:10 pm

Maternal wrote:NBA is about match ups. The position one plays is irrelevant. If we play Miami for example Demar will most likely guard James regardless of what position he's listed at.


No he's not. Have you watched the last Heat game?! Amir was guarding James more than Demar for crying out loud

Terrence is our SF, but he guards the opponent's most lethal wing player every game.
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Post#14 » by NBA Sheady » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:21 pm

Joe Johnson and Lebron both seemed to make a point to back him down in the post but generally ended up passing out. Certainly weren't getting anything easy on him.

A reporter asked him early in the season about playing defense against stronger guys and Ross simply said he can't use that as an excuse. He seems to be rolling with that approach. When Lowry gets caught on a 4/5 on a switch he stands his ground.

Ross can beat guys with his feet so if they mow him down it's going to be a foul more often then not. When guys get low post position on him he fronts and best of all he starts fronting the moment he gets sealed so by the time the ball starts to make entry to the post he's in a position to get a steal.
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Post#15 » by bigmandinky » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:28 pm

I would say Demar is the SF, but Ross guards the opposing teams best perimeter player.
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Re: So is Terrence Ross Now a SF? 

Post#16 » by WhatsaTDot » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:28 pm

I'm pretty sure we've failed as an organization every time we've tried to 'remold' a player's physique with the possible exception of bulkier Bosh. As he gets older, he'll get bigger/stronger; I don't think trying to accelerate that process will do him any good.
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Re: So is Terrence Ross Now a SF? 

Post#17 » by SFour » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:29 pm

Maternal wrote:NBA is about match ups. The position one plays is irrelevant. If we play Miami for example Demar will most likely guard James regardless of what position he's listed at.


I'm pretty sure Ross was guarding James not Demar.
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Re: So is Terrence Ross Now a SF? 

Post#18 » by neurotik » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:50 pm

In today's NBA you don't need to group players into a specific position. Miami is the perfect example. They have Bosh as their big man (what some call a centre even though we all know he's really a PF) and LeBron plays as their PF.

If you really want to group players its best to do it like this:
- Guards (this can be subgrouped into traditional PGs, scoring PGs, and combo Gs)
- Wings (this accounts for tradiotional SGs, traditional SFs and SG/SF hybrids)
- Forwards (this can be subgrouped into traditional PFs and SF/PF hybrids)
- Centres (this can be subgrouped into traditional Cs and PF/C hybrids)

Now some players are versatile enough that they can cover multiple categories. Ross is a SG/SF hybrid, but can play some traditional SG as well (as long as he doesn't have to create for others).
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Re: So is Terrence Ross Now a SF? 

Post#19 » by Maternal » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:54 pm

Matty wrote:
Maternal wrote:NBA is about match ups. The position one plays is irrelevant. If we play Miami for example Demar will most likely guard James regardless of what position he's listed at.


No he's not. Have you watched the last Heat game?! Amir was guarding James more than Demar for crying out loud

Terrence is our SF, but he guards the opponent's most lethal wing player every game.


Surely you read when I said FOR EXAMPLE? My point is players guard players based on match up not position.
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Re: So is Terrence Ross Now a SF? 

Post#20 » by mad-man » Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:10 am

With the evolution of the game getting smaller and smaller, roles are becoming increasingly blurred and will continue to be with way. That being said, rosters are more like compositions of 1 or 2 Guards, 3 or 4 Forwards and possibly a 5. The only really defining characteristic has become the position they defend.
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