Whats With The BC Supporters On This Site?

[Scarface844]

When the majority of the core players have been brought in by Masai. BC built this house, Masai just decorated it. Masai needs to build his own house.

Such a close minded way of looking at things. Our entire bench are guys Masai brought (our bench was attirbuted to our success this past season).

Our assets are assets Masai has acquired such as future picks and prospects, not BC. So if you wanna talk "majority of the core players" most of our core players have actually been brought in by Masai. 2 of the guys in our starting lineup were acquired while Masai was the assistant GM.

Lowry - BC
Ross - BC
Rudy - BC (cancer contract traded away for assets)
DeMar - BC/Masai
Bargnani - BC (cancer contract traded away for assets)
Amir - BC/Masai
JV - BC
Fields - BC (cancer contract)
Vasquez - Masai
Williams - Masai
JJ - Masai/BC
Patterson - Masai
Hayes - Masai
Bebe - Masai
Bruno - Masai
Cherry - Masai
Daniels - Masai
Hamilton - Masai

[VinBaker6]

BC running MLSE would be ok. Better than a puck head. The master salesman would do a great job in that role IMO. Only problem is if Masai quits it's BC all over again.


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[mjg13]

It's kind of hard to judge them on their results when people are misappropriating the results.

BC built this current Raptors team. It is enjoying success after his departure. Perhaps the narrow minded are the ones ignoring this inconvenient truth.

I think the root of the issue is not misappropriating results, because we can blame each other for that all day and get nowhere. The root of our contention is the definition of "building a team".

When, by your standard, will it stop being BCs team?

When the majority of the core players have been brought in by Masai. BC built this house, Masai just decorated it. Masai needs to build his own house.

BC built a foundation but kept trying to throw random stuff on top of it but it kept falling apart. Masai actually built on top of the foundation and removed the unstable parts(Gay and Bargs)

Having a good core does not equal having a good team

[Scarface844]

The simplest way to put this. A little over a year ago today, we had 2 of the top 20 worst contracts in the league. What did Masai turn both those contracts into?

Vasquez
Patterson
Hayes
Nogueria
Williams
Future 2016 1st
Cap Space & Flexibility
Ross in the starting lineup allowing him to emerge as a solid 3&D player
DeMar as the go to scorer on the team
Lowry as the leader

[firelogic]

When the majority of the core players have been brought in by Masai. BC built this house, Masai just decorated it. Masai needs to build his own house.

Such a close minded way of looking at things. Our entire bench are guys Masai brought (our bench was attirbuted to our success this past season).

Our assets are assets Masai has acquired such as future picks and prospects, not BC. So if you wanna talk "majority of the core players" most of our core players have actually been brought in by Masai. 2 of the guys in our starting lineup were acquired while Masai was the assistant GM.

Lowry - BC
Ross - BC
Rudy - BC (cancer contract traded away for assets)
DeMar - BC/Masai
Bargnani - BC (cancer contract traded away for assets)
Amir - BC/Masai
JV - BC
Fields - BC (cancer contract)
Vasquez - Masai
Williams - Masai
JJ - Masai/BC
Patterson - Masai
Hayes - Masai
Bebe - Masai
Bruno - Masai
Cherry - Masai
Daniels - Masai
Hamilton - Masai

Yeah great job listing the likes of Williams, JJ, Hayes, Bebe, bruno, cherry, daniels and hamilton to pad out the Masai section. Are you really that hard-up for Ujiri that you list garbage players and guys we haven't seen play in the nba yet to bolster "Masai's Vision?"

It doesn't matter what BC did in the past. The bottomline is, he's responsible for the current starting 5 being Raptors AND he hired your darling Dwane Casey.

It's absolutely ridiculous to say that it's "Masai's Vision" that suddenly made the team gel and end up with a successful season. Get the hell out of here. If anything, Casey deserves the second most credit behind BC.

Your boy Ujiri fell ass backwards into this. He was going to trade away the best player on the team and not re-hire Casey.

[BC_IS_A_PLAYA]

I wish BC was my dad

[Scarface844]

Yeah great job listing the likes of Williams, JJ, Hayes, Bebe, bruno, cherry, daniels and hamilton to pad out the Masai section. Are you really that hard-up for Ujiri that you list garbage players and guys we haven't seen play in the nba yet to bolster "Masai's Vision?"

It doesn't matter what BC did in the past. The bottomline is, he's responsible for the current starting 5 being Raptors AND he hired your darling Dwane Casey.

It's absolutely ridiculous to say that it's "Masai's Vision" that suddenly made the team gel and end up with a successful season. Get the hell out of here. If anything, Casey deserves the second most credit behind BC.

Your boy Ujiri fell ass backwards into this. He was going to trade away the best player on the team and not re-hire Casey.

[Stolen Identity]

If only there was a way Masai could have unloaded Landry Fields. I would have liked to see DeAndre Daniels on this team over Fields. Ditto for Jordan Hamilton.

[hillbilly hare]

I'm shocked at how many people are saying stuff like bring BC back as MLSE CEO or it's BC's core.

1. This is Masai's core. BC's core was a neutered Lowry, DeMar, Rudy, Bargnani and JV along with terrible assistant coaches and the worst bench in the league.

Here is our core:

JV
Amir
Ross
Derozan
Lowry

Tell me now, who acquired every single one of those players?

If BC brought in every single piece of our core, how is it not his core?

The rest of your post is conjecture at this point because Masai hasn't had time to screw up yet. Keep in mind that BC did just as well as Masai in his first year with us.

I hated BC and was one of the first people calling for him to get fired. But that doesn't mean I'm going to tell myself lies in an attempt to dismiss the fact that he built a moderately successful team.

While BC was managing the team, THAT team + Gay and Bargnani, it had one winning season in 7 years (not a typo: ONE winning season in 7 years) and a winning percentage in the .400 range.

That is incredibly bad. More so for a guy who held onto his job for 7 straight years.

The "core" that BC put together was a LOSER right up to the bitter end. What does that say? That as HE had built it, it was a losing team. We can't honestly say the current WINNING team is BC's team, because BC's team, as he built it, was a LOSER. Simple math.

It makes little sense to say that they are the same teams. They aren't. And the team wasn't a winner until Masai did some pretty amazing surgery on BC's frankenstein mess. A mess that he built with untold resources - high first round picks year after year, cap space, a young All-NBA power forward he inherited, trade assets.

BC blew most of the fantastic resources he was given. Late in his reign of error, drafting Ross over Drummond, signing Fields, trading for Lowry instead of signing Dragic, not trading Bargnani, and then trading for Gay - and that is just in ONE disastrous typically BC-like 8-month meltdown - produced a LOSING TEAM. A "BC team" that - probably - would've kept on losing AD NAUSEUM. It was a hodgepodge of non-fitting pieces that was never going to work. And THAT is "BC's team".

Any clown, given all the incredible resources that BC was given over 7 pitiful years, can make an inept blindfolded throw at a dartboard and have it stick now and then, but the sum that BC put together from all those resources was less than half what it should've been from the parts he had.

BC cobbled together a limping, bumbling, losing frankenstein of a team, that Masai came in and performed life-saving surgery on by cutting off the crippling, deadweight parts that were dragging the team down to BC bottom dwelling depths, and turned that mess into a sleek, strong, fast-paced sprinter. And a winner.

Any talk of having BC linked to the Raptors in even the smallest way would be grounds to call in a nuclear strike.

[G R E Y]

I'm shocked at how many people are saying stuff like bring BC back as MLSE CEO or it's BC's core.

1. This is Masai's core. BC's core was a neutered Lowry, DeMar, Rudy, Bargnani and JV along with terrible assistant coaches and the worst bench in the league.

Here is our core:

JV
Amir
Ross
Derozan
Lowry

Tell me now, who acquired every single one of those players?

If BC brought in every single piece of our core, how is it not his core?

The rest of your post is conjecture at this point because Masai hasn't had time to screw up yet. Keep in mind that BC did just as well as Masai in his first year with us.

I hated BC and was one of the first people calling for him to get fired. But that doesn't mean I'm going to tell myself lies in an attempt to dismiss the fact that he built a moderately successful team.

While BC was managing the team, THAT team + Gay and Bargnani, it had one winning season in 7 years (not a typo: ONE winning season in 7 years) and a winning percentage in the .400 range.

That is incredibly bad. More so for a guy who held onto his job for 7 straight years.

The "core" that BC put together was a LOSER right up to the bitter end. What does that say? That as HE had built it, it was a losing team. We can't honestly say the current WINNING team is BC's team, because BC's team, as he built it, was a LOSER. Simple math.

It makes little sense to say that they are the same teams. They aren't. And the team wasn't a winner until Masai did some pretty amazing surgery on BC's frankenstein mess. A mess that he built with untold resources - high first round picks year after year, cap space, a young All-NBA power forward he inherited, trade assets.

BC blew most of the fantastic resources he was given. Late in his reign of error, drafting Ross over Drummond, signing Fields, trading for Lowry instead of signing Dragic, not trading Bargnani, and then trading for Gay - and that is just in ONE disastrous typically BC-like 8-month meltdown - produced a LOSING TEAM. A "BC team" that - probably - would've kept on losing AD NAUSEUM. It was a hodgepodge of non-fitting pieces that was never going to work. And THAT is "BC's team".

Any clown, given all the incredible resources that BC was given over 7 pitiful years, can make an inept blindfolded throw at a dartboard and have it stick now and then, but the sum that BC put together from all those resources was less than half what it should've been from the parts he had.

BC cobbled together a limping, bumbling, losing frankenstein of a team, that Masai came in and performed life-saving surgery on by cutting off the crippling, deadweight parts that were dragging the team down to BC bottom dwelling depths, and turned that mess into a sleek, strong, fast-paced sprinter. And a winner.

Any talk of having BC linked to the Raptors in even the smallest way would be grounds to call in a nuclear strike.

Excellent post! As if more proof were needed, Barnacle's team was STILL losing at the beginning of last season. And even if he had shipped out Bargs like he said = publicly lol - that he would, who's to say what he would have gotten for him? Certainly not three draft picks, including a FIRST rounder. AND he wanted to sign Gay to an extension when it clearly wasn't working with him here. Un **** believable.

Again, the RESULTS damn Barnacle EVERY TIME.

[SirKen]

If only there was a way Masai could have unloaded Landry Fields. I would have liked to see DeAndre Daniels on this team over Fields. Ditto for Jordan Hamilton.

Daniels could use some time in Europe while Hamilton might be able to contribute right away. Who know, if Hamilton's contract is small enough, we might be able to sign him and waive Fields right away.

[dballislife]

just like most things like any team, any business or even a house or a large building...u need a solid a strong base or foundation to build upon, if not it be weak and just collapse and then u gotta start over

BC gave us a very solid foundation and now masai is gonna build upon it and finish the job, both jobs were important of course masai's gonna be tougher cus he has to finish this...but too many people just refuse to give BC any credit, not even a lick...like im not asking u to love BC with all ur heart here...just give some credit and respect where its due

[MrBojangelz71]

This team is a combination of things BC and Masai have done over the past several seasons, that is the fact.

Our entire starting unit are pieces BC either traded for, drafted or resigned. 2 of those contracts were considered black marks on BC's resume, in Amir and Demar. Both contracts today are considered 2 of the best bargain contracts in the league.

To many posters around here have select vision and select acknowledgement when it comes to players and management. Certain posters crapped so hard on this team, its players and management, making absolute statements about the lack of talent and bad management, that they refuse to admit that they were clueless about this team and its talent. Instead of admitting they were clueless about this team, they have spun it into a BC thing, that he was the reason for all our misfortunes, regardless of the facts.

BC made mistakes, mistakes that we have heard pointed out on this site more than enough times. He also did many solid things for this team, yet those things are somehow interpreted as things that either fell into his lap, decisions were made for him, or he just got lucky. Its ignorant but when you look at the sources, it is expected.

Masai would be the 1st to tell you BC deserves credit, because the man is not a revisionist, he knows how certain players ended up in his hands.

[Danchan]

if it weren't for fields raptors wouldn't even have made it to game 7 of first round.
although the money could have been used on someone elses...

[OlFlashy]

This is Masai's team, but you can't deny that BC left him something to work with. We needed a fresh approach, and Masai has so far managed things flawlessly. It is still early though.

I'm happier with Masai than BC, but BC was never as incompetent as OP and others have made him out to be. The vitriol in this forum is ridiculous and reactionary. You should also ask yourself what we would do if Masai left.

We are extremely lucky to have a guy like Masai, but if he left, BC would be a fine replacement given the options out there. I prefer an aggressive, mediocre GM like BC vs. an incompetent Isiah Thomas or Rob Babcock.

The latter types would create friction and run our franchise out of town. BC would never do that -- BC at least drafted well, swung for the fences, had a history of shaking things up (no doubt he held on to Bargs too long), and has the respect of many players/GMs/agents in the league (RealGM, not so much).