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Is DD having a historically bad jumpshooting season and should we care?

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Is DD having a historically bad jumpshooting season and should we care? 

Post#1 » by ddx19 » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:22 am

I had to do a double take when I saw on bbref that DeMar is shooting 31% on jumpers beyond 10 feet this season.

When you consider that he takes about 10 of those jumpers per game - he might be well on his way to one of the worst seasonal jumpshooting performances in NBA history.

Despite that, the raps have a top 5 offense and DeMar is doing other things that help the team. Should Raps fans still be concerned, and could his chucking cost us a playoff round in a close matchup?
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Re: Is DD having a historically bad jumpshooting season and should we care? 

Post#2 » by vjkid » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:25 am

I checked a few weeks ago and DeMar is a bottom 5 jump shooting starting SG based on eFG%. He needs a shooting coach that helps his shot like handlelife helped his handles.
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Post#3 » by Matty » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:36 am

No he's having a spectacular season, and any shot he bricks or airballs is because of Ross.
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Post#4 » by Truthrising » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:39 am

No he deserves to go to the All-star
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Re: Is DD having a historically bad jumpshooting season and should we care? 

Post#5 » by Rhettmatic » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:39 am

Matty wrote:No he's having a spectacular season, and any shot he bricks or airballs is because of Ross.


DeMar deserves real credit for his improvements on defence and passing. I keep dismissing how much he can improve and then being proven wrong.

He absolutely needs to shoot better, though. And choose shots better.
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Post#6 » by Randle McMurphy » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:39 am

Should we care about whether the player with the highest usage on the team is an inefficient chucker? Yeah, I'd so.
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Post#7 » by AyAyRon » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:40 am

It's a bit concerning, but can strong opposing defence be a culprit of this? If he can get more catch and shoot opportunities it may bring up his fg%. This won't fly in the playoffs if he keeps this up :(
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Re: Is DD having a historically bad jumpshooting season and should we care? 

Post#8 » by ddx19 » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:40 am

He's 3/12 in the first half tonight to accentuate my point. Really tough to watch but he doesn't seem to have a conscience about it.

(Yet raps score 49 and have the lead... maybe it doesn't matter if it keeps him happy?)

EDIT: i also brought up the "should we care part" because his shooting seems to be completely ignored by local media and broadcasts - we're used to him having 6/17 shooting performances every night it seems.
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Post#9 » by Indeed » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:41 am

The only concern is, we can't have James Johnson on the perimeter with him.
Keep dreaming about this lineup: Jonas/Amir/James Johnson/DeRozan/Lowry - I don't think it will work in the long term
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Post#10 » by Lowrys Chode » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:42 am

Matty wrote:No he's having a spectacular season, and any shot he bricks or airballs is because of Ross.

Give it up.

Even with a terrible jumper, he's more effective than Ross in every aspect of basketball.

Better handles
Better finishing inside
Better ability to draw contact
Better passing
Better rebounding
Better defense
Better pick and roll reads
Better post game
Better footwork

Shall I continue?

We get it. You're more of a Ross fan than you are a Raptors fan.
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Post#11 » by Truthrising » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:42 am

ddx19 wrote:He's 3/12 in the first half tonight to accentuate my point. Really tough to watch but he doesn't seem to have a conscience about it.

(Yet raps score 49 and have the lead... maybe it doesn't matter if it keeps him happy?)

Why should he have any conscious when Casey endorses it?
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Re: Is DD having a historically bad jumpshooting season and should we care? 

Post#12 » by ddx19 » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:44 am

Indeed wrote:The only concern is, we can't have James Johnson on the perimeter with him.
Keep dreaming about this lineup: Jonas/Amir/James Johnson/DeRozan/Lowry - I don't think it will work in the long term


I think that's another concern, but DeMar has proven he will take ~10 jumpers @ about 30% shooting per game no matter who he plays with though.
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Post#13 » by Anticon » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:46 am

Its a weird thing, because I would guess, even on a bad shooting night he's a net plus.

But his three point shooting is non existent, his mid range game seems to have left him and his ability to drive and dunk seems to have left as well.

He's really there for passing, defence and getting to the line. All solid but he's become Iguodala like. Its a weird situation.
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Post#14 » by Matty » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:49 am

Rhettmatic wrote:He absolutely needs to shoot better, though. And choose shots better.


That's really all there is to it. There is reason why we limit the type of shots JJ takes, and I think the same restrictions should apply to DD. He's not a natural shooter like Lou, Lowry, or Ross. Takes too many forced shots for my liking.
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Post#15 » by joseph227 » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:51 am

Lowrys Chode wrote:
Matty wrote:No he's having a spectacular season, and any shot he bricks or airballs is because of Ross.

Give it up.

Even with a terrible jumper, he's more effective than Ross in every aspect of basketball.

Better handles
Better finishing inside
Better ability to draw contact
Better passing
Better rebounding
Better defense
Better pick and roll reads
Better post game
Better footwork

Shall I continue?

We get it. You're more of a Ross fan than you are a Raptors fan.


That's not saying much since 99% of the NBA is better in all of those things than Ross.
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Post#16 » by Jonn » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:54 am

DeMar has never been a great shooter but last year he had an improved mid range game and it was a good weapon for him. They started playing him fir the shot so DeMar got to the rim whenever he wanted to score or get fouled.

This year that improved mid range game but yes his defense and passing has improved. I hope it has more to do with missing so many games. Last year he really turned himself into an All-Star this year hes taken a step back offensively but hes becoming a better team defender.
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Re: Is DD having a historically bad jumpshooting season and should we care? 

Post#17 » by Matty » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:55 am

Lowrys Chode wrote:
Matty wrote:No he's having a spectacular season, and any shot he bricks or airballs is because of Ross.

Give it up.

Even with a terrible jumper, he's more effective than Ross in every aspect of basketball.

Better handles -Experience
Better finishing inside - Experience
Better ability to draw contact - Experience
Better passing - Experience
Better rebounding -Agree
Better defense - better off-ball defense, but Ross is better in man to man defense
Better pick and roll reads - Experience
Better post game - Experience
Better footwork - Experience

Shall I continue?

We get it. You're more of a Ross fan than you are a Raptors fan.


Playing time on a losing NBA team where you're forced to be the man makes a whole lot of difference. Ross only started playing meaningful minutes as a role player a year ago.
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Post#18 » by ddx19 » Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:00 am

Anticon wrote:Its a weird thing, because I would guess, even on a bad shooting night he's a net plus.

But his three point shooting is non existent, his mid range game seems to have left him and his ability to drive and dunk seems to have left as well.

He's really there for passing, defence and getting to the line. All solid but he's become Iguodala like. Its a weird situation.


Very interesting comparison and I totally agree with it.

By all account he's spent an incredible amount of extra time in the gym working on his shot but it hasn't translated to real games. Either way he's still a net + but i think a wing who can hit threes and defend (Khris Middleton anyone?) should be a priority for Masai to pair with DeMar in the offseason - but that's a whole other topic.
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Post#19 » by Lowrys Chode » Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:07 am

Matty wrote:
Lowrys Chode wrote:
Matty wrote:No he's having a spectacular season, and any shot he bricks or airballs is because of Ross.

Give it up.

Even with a terrible jumper, he's more effective than Ross in every aspect of basketball.

Better handles -Experience
Better finishing inside - Experience
Better ability to draw contact - Experience
Better passing - Experience
Better rebounding -Agree
Better defense - Agree
Better pick and roll reads - Experience
Better post game - Experience
Better footwork - Experience

Shall I continue?

We get it. You're more of a Ross fan than you are a Raptors fan.


Playing time on a losing NBA team where your forced to be the man makes a whole lot of difference. Ross only started playing meaningful minutes as a role player a year ago.

Keep making excuses. He's 24 bud. You've said he's the next Paul George. Guess how old Paul George is: 24

He has no redeemable NBA skills other than catch and shoot jumpers. Even his defense has dissipated due to a lack of effort on his behalf.

Notice how we've played better the last couple games with him playing limited minutes? He plays more minutes in losses than wins. That's no coincidence. He's simply not an impact player. At least not a positive impact. We've witnessed him lose an individual match up with Alan Anderson over 7 games. That says all you need to know.
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Post#20 » by Throwback24 » Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:17 am

He had a serious injury and he's working his wayback.
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