OT: Canada gets tough draw for FIBA Americas

[UcanUwill]

Those Americas teams doesn't have top level Euro guys though. There are few like Marcelo Huertas and Gustavo Ayon, but in general, FiBA Americas aren't very deep in talent department.

[frumble]

Those Americas teams doesn't have top level Euro guys though. There are few like Marcelo Huertas and Gustavo Ayon, but in general, FiBA Americas aren't very deep in talent department.

Yeah, but I expect most of the teams to be stronger in 15 than they were in 13.

In any case, however bad they were in 13, they were still good enough to push us to 6th. So their mid-level Euro league guys were better than our fringe NBA guys.

[peixe2k3]

Just a little input, it is not set that Brazil has automatic entry to Olympics as host. Since Brazil had the 'lucky loser' entry for the World Cup, FIBA will define in june if Brazil will have to qualify to play the Olympics, even that will be in Rio. Depends on this to define the roster that will play the PanAM in Toronto and te FIBA America. If Brazil gets the entry, it will play a renew Sub-23 team in Toronto and Mexico (withou the NBAs - Maybe Lucas and Bruno to make the debut on the NT). If Brazil needs to qualify for the Olympics, will use the PanAM to prepare and full strenght avaiable + Euro + NBAs (propably Varejao, and Nene won't play) to the Olympcs Qualifier.

[Hendrix]

Jordan biggest ppg beast year was 37ppg, and Kobes was 35ppg. Jordan is the GOAT, but he's not going to score 15ppg more than Kobe's best year imo. Maybe Jordan could get in the 40's, but just tacking 13ppg on to his personal best? C'mon Zo.

[aminiaturebuddha]

Just a little input, it is not set that Brazil has automatic entry to Olympics as host. Since Brazil had the 'lucky loser' entry for the World Cup, FIBA will define in june if Brazil will have to qualify to play the Olympics, even that will be in Rio. Depends on this to define the roster that will play the PanAM in Toronto and te FIBA America. If Brazil gets the entry, it will play a renew Sub-23 team in Toronto and Mexico (withou the NBAs - Maybe Lucas and Bruno to make the debut on the NT). If Brazil needs to qualify for the Olympics, will use the PanAM to prepare and full strenght avaiable + Euro + NBAs (propably Varejao, and Nene won't play) to the Olympcs Qualifier.

Thanks for this! This is the first time that I'd heard that the host country doesn't get an automatic qualification for the Olympics, so after reading this I looked it up.

And you're right! (you obviously already knew that). In FIBA Internal Regulations - Book 2 - Tournaments (yes, there are a lot of FIBA regulations, so much so that they need multiple books…sigh) in Section 141 it states that the Central Board "may decide to grant automatic qualification to the host country". But there is nothing to state that they must do so. Very strange.

Anyway, needless to say, it would be better for Canada if Brazil gets this automatic qualification.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

[Raps in 4]

Euros don't scare me.

[peixe2k3]

Just a little input, it is not set that Brazil has automatic entry to Olympics as host. Since Brazil had the 'lucky loser' entry for the World Cup, FIBA will define in june if Brazil will have to qualify to play the Olympics, even that will be in Rio. Depends on this to define the roster that will play the PanAM in Toronto and te FIBA America. If Brazil gets the entry, it will play a renew Sub-23 team in Toronto and Mexico (withou the NBAs - Maybe Lucas and Bruno to make the debut on the NT). If Brazil needs to qualify for the Olympics, will use the PanAM to prepare and full strenght avaiable + Euro + NBAs (propably Varejao, and Nene won't play) to the Olympcs Qualifier.

Thanks for this! This is the first time that I'd heard that the host country doesn't get an automatic qualification for the Olympics, so after reading this I looked it up.

And you're right! (you obviously already knew that). In FIBA Internal Regulations - Book 2 - Tournaments (yes, there are a lot of FIBA regulations, so much so that they need multiple books…sigh) in Section 141 it states that the Central Board "may decide to grant automatic qualification to the host country". But there is nothing to state that they must do so. Very strange.

Anyway, needless to say, it would be better for Canada if Brazil gets this automatic qualification.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

Rumours says that this is because Brazil did not pay (yet) for the invitation to the World Cup.

[WhatYaWant]

i say we jus go out there and kick the ish outta every1

[frumble]

Just a little input, it is not set that Brazil has automatic entry to Olympics as host. Since Brazil had the 'lucky loser' entry for the World Cup, FIBA will define in june if Brazil will have to qualify to play the Olympics, even that will be in Rio. Depends on this to define the roster that will play the PanAM in Toronto and te FIBA America. If Brazil gets the entry, it will play a renew Sub-23 team in Toronto and Mexico (withou the NBAs - Maybe Lucas and Bruno to make the debut on the NT). If Brazil needs to qualify for the Olympics, will use the PanAM to prepare and full strenght avaiable + Euro + NBAs (propably Varejao, and Nene won't play) to the Olympcs Qualifier.

Thanks for this! This is the first time that I'd heard that the host country doesn't get an automatic qualification for the Olympics, so after reading this I looked it up.

And you're right! (you obviously already knew that). In FIBA Internal Regulations - Book 2 - Tournaments (yes, there are a lot of FIBA regulations, so much so that they need multiple books…sigh) in Section 141 it states that the Central Board "may decide to grant automatic qualification to the host country". But there is nothing to state that they must do so. Very strange.

Anyway, needless to say, it would be better for Canada if Brazil gets this automatic qualification.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

Yes, thanks Piexe2k3 for letting us know, and thanks aminiatureduddha for doing the research.

Anyone know who the spot goes to if Brazil doesn't get automatic qualification? Specifically to one of the federation qualifying tournaments? Or an extra spot up for grabs at the last chance tournament in summer of 16?

[peixe2k3]

Just came out a new info regarding the invite to Brazil NT. Brazil will receive the iautomatic qualification. For this, will have to pay usd 1.5 Mi until july 31th. If Brazil does not pay, will play the Fiba Americas Qualify in Mexico

[frumble]

Just came out a new info regarding the invite to Brazil NT. Brazil will receive the iautomatic qualification. For this, will have to pay usd 1.5 Mi until july 31th. If Brazil does not pay, will play the Fiba Americas Qualify in Mexico

Thank you for the update. So if Brazil chooses not to buy the spot, which region gets it? A third spot will be available at the Americas tournament?

And, as of now, Brazil is scheduled to be at the FIBA Americas (per FIBA website). So they will play in the tournament whether they have an automatic spot or not?

[frumble]

Just came out a new info regarding the invite to Brazil NT. Brazil will receive the iautomatic qualification. For this, will have to pay usd 1.5 Mi until july 31th. If Brazil does not pay, will play the Fiba Americas Qualify in Mexico

Thank you for the update. So if Brazil chooses not to buy the spot, which region gets it? A third spot will be available at the Americas tournament?

[frumble]

According to wikipedia, if Brazil doesn't pay its outstanding dues, the spot goes to the last-chance Olympic qualifying tournament that will be held in 2016.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basketball_at_the_2016_Summer_Olympics

[arbsn]

Not too concerned, the FIBAs have 4 out of 5 teams moving to the elimination round where they'll get matched with someone from the weaker pool

[Flight33]

Is TT or Wiggins playing?

[frumble]

Not too concerned, the FIBAs have 4 out of 5 teams moving to the elimination round where they'll get matched with someone from the weaker pool

Yes, the pool assignments for the FIBA Americas are meaningless because everyone plays everyone (except for the 5th place teams).

But Brazil not getting an automatic spot in Olympics as the host would be significant. It would mean that Brazil would join Argentina, Canada, Puerto Rico, the Dominican, Mexico and others in competing for two spots. Another tough team in the mix for the same two spots.

[frumble]

Is TT or Wiggins playing?

Not yet known. There was a tweet from a Cleveland writer last week that TT wouldn't be, but no confirmation.

[Mirotic12]

Those Americas teams doesn't have top level Euro guys though. There are few like Marcelo Huertas and Gustavo Ayon, but in general, FiBA Americas aren't very deep in talent department.

Yeah, but I expect most of the teams to be stronger in 15 than they were in 13.

In any case, however bad they were in 13, they were still good enough to push us to 6th. So their mid-level Euro league guys were better than our fringe NBA guys.

No disrespect intended, but most of those teams at Americas 2 years ago were based on low level players from mediocre leagues and small teams in Europe and guys playing in Latin America, with few of them being in the top clubs in Latin America. I think few teams had many mid level European league players/guys playing in bigger Latin clubs, and the ones that did have them were almost always being led by them.

If you wanted to compare that level out to what you would see from European teams at the Olympics, it's on a completely entirely different scale altogether in terms of talent and competition. So to compete with European teams at 2016 Olympics, it takes a big jump in level from what you see in FIBA Americas, where honestly, I think a team like Brazil would be satisfied if they made quarterfinals at EuroBasket.