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Re: OT: What is the NBA equivalent to what the Jays are doing? 

Post#101 » by JN » Mon Aug 3, 2015 3:22 am

I haven't read the entire thread, so I am sure it has already been noted, but to compare the value of the best player at a postion in baseball to the best player at a position in the NBA is a flawed exercise.

A top 5 player at a position in the NBA will have more impact than a top player at any position in baseball... unless we are talking early 2000 era Barry Bonds.

MLB will also have many more top prospects because there are about 15 major roles to fill on a baseball team... much more than the 5-7 in basketball
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Re: OT: What is the NBA equivalent to what the Jays are doing? 

Post#102 » by Financials » Mon Aug 3, 2015 6:26 pm

JN wrote:I haven't read the entire thread, so I am sure it has already been noted, but to compare the value of the best player at a postion in baseball to the best player at a position in the NBA is a flawed exercise.

A top 5 player at a position in the NBA will have more impact than a top player at any position in baseball... unless we are talking early 2000 era Barry Bonds.

MLB will also have many more top prospects because there are about 15 major roles to fill on a baseball team... much more than the 5-7 in basketball


while they cant play every game, id argue that a pitcher has more of an impact on a baseball game than any one single player in the nba. lbj is crazy good and controls a lot, but he cant literally win alone. If you can get a guy throwing no hitters every time he steps up then what? auto win. need 1 run. technically don't even need fielders, but you get what I mean by that
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Post#103 » by Huskies1947 » Mon Aug 3, 2015 6:29 pm

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Huskies1947 wrote:Can't win them all.. This team is gonna be real good in a week or two when they start gelling together.


It's baseball....what "gellilng" is done?


Have you ever played baseball? New pitchers have to figure out how to play with martin.. Gibby needs to figure out how to run with guys like ben revere.

I know it's most individual of the team sports, but it's still a team sport.
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Re: OT: What is the NBA equivalent to what the Jays are doing? 

Post#104 » by Chandler55 » Mon Aug 3, 2015 6:43 pm

its like we got this guy on the raptors
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Re: OT: What is the NBA equivalent to what the Jays are doing? 

Post#105 » by NBACommissioner » Mon Aug 3, 2015 8:35 pm

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NBACommissioner wrote:Doesn't Donaldson have a 7 or 8 RBI lead on Trout? I know Trout has a ridiculous WAR but what exactly give him that advantage when Donaldson is leading the league in scoring.


The Angels don't have an offence nearly as potent as the Jays. The fact that the Jays have collectively scored 130+ more runs than the Angels yet Donaldson has only about a half dozen more RBIs than Trout is quite telling as well.


Is there a stat for Clutch because Donaldson is ridiculously clutch...I really doubt Trout is better regardless of advanced stats. The west is weaker than the east too.
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Post#106 » by Rapcity_11 » Mon Aug 3, 2015 8:47 pm

Huskies1947 wrote:
Rapcity_11 wrote:
Huskies1947 wrote:Can't win them all.. This team is gonna be real good in a week or two when they start gelling together.


It's baseball....what "gellilng" is done?


Have you ever played baseball? New pitchers have to figure out how to play with martin.. Gibby needs to figure out how to run with guys like ben revere.

I know it's most individual of the team sports, but it's still a team sport.


Yup, Price and Martin really struggled today. And how to run with Revere? Are you serious? A fast base stealer is a fast base stealer.

You can't be serious with this stuff.
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Re: OT: What is the NBA equivalent to what the Jays are doing? 

Post#107 » by Rapcity_11 » Mon Aug 3, 2015 8:56 pm

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NBACommissioner wrote:Doesn't Donaldson have a 7 or 8 RBI lead on Trout? I know Trout has a ridiculous WAR but what exactly give him that advantage when Donaldson is leading the league in scoring.


The Angels don't have an offence nearly as potent as the Jays. The fact that the Jays have collectively scored 130+ more runs than the Angels yet Donaldson has only about a half dozen more RBIs than Trout is quite telling as well.


Is there a stat for Clutch because Donaldson is ridiculously clutch...I really doubt Trout is better regardless of advanced stats. The west is weaker than the east too.


Yup, they have clutch stats. Trout is still better and it's still not close. For some reason people just don't get how unreal Trout is.
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Re: OT: What is the NBA equivalent to what the Jays are doing? 

Post#108 » by NBACommissioner » Mon Aug 3, 2015 11:12 pm

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The Angels don't have an offence nearly as potent as the Jays. The fact that the Jays have collectively scored 130+ more runs than the Angels yet Donaldson has only about a half dozen more RBIs than Trout is quite telling as well.


Is there a stat for Clutch because Donaldson is ridiculously clutch...I really doubt Trout is better regardless of advanced stats. The west is weaker than the east too.


Yup, they have clutch stats. Trout is still better and it's still not close. For some reason people just don't get how unreal Trout is.


I don't think people get how unreal donaldson is either though. He has 9 RBI's and 3 HR in his last 5 games vs the AL Leading team and the Wildcard team. Mike Trout had 1 RBI combines in 5 games vs those teams.
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Re: OT: What is the NBA equivalent to what the Jays are doing? 

Post#109 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Mon Aug 3, 2015 11:16 pm

NBACommissioner wrote:
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Is there a stat for Clutch because Donaldson is ridiculously clutch...I really doubt Trout is better regardless of advanced stats. The west is weaker than the east too.


Yup, they have clutch stats. Trout is still better and it's still not close. For some reason people just don't get how unreal Trout is.


I don't think people get how unreal donaldson is either though. He has 9 RBI's and 3 HR in his last 5 games vs the AL Leading team and the Wildcard team.


I can't believe the A's traded Donaldson, who was under contract at a very affordable price for the next 3 seasons.

What ya doin', Beane?
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Post#110 » by tdotrep2 » Mon Aug 3, 2015 11:27 pm

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:
NBACommissioner wrote:
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Yup, they have clutch stats. Trout is still better and it's still not close. For some reason people just don't get how unreal Trout is.


I don't think people get how unreal donaldson is either though. He has 9 RBI's and 3 HR in his last 5 games vs the AL Leading team and the Wildcard team.


I can't believe the A's traded Donaldson, who was under contract at a very affordable price for the next 3 seasons.

What ya doin', Beane?


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Post#111 » by Risk101 » Mon Aug 3, 2015 11:32 pm

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Post#112 » by Huskies1947 » Mon Aug 3, 2015 11:46 pm

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Re: OT: What is the NBA equivalent to what the Jays are doing? 

Post#113 » by Rapcity_11 » Mon Aug 3, 2015 11:49 pm

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Is there a stat for Clutch because Donaldson is ridiculously clutch...I really doubt Trout is better regardless of advanced stats. The west is weaker than the east too.


Yup, they have clutch stats. Trout is still better and it's still not close. For some reason people just don't get how unreal Trout is.


I don't think people get how unreal donaldson is either though. He has 9 RBI's and 3 HR in his last 5 games vs the AL Leading team and the Wildcard team. Mike Trout had 1 RBI combines in 5 games vs those teams.


Umm yeah, people obviously do. Donaldson is a beast, maybe the MVP of the AL if Trout didn't exist.

To keep things simple, Trout is slugging 80 points higher than JD. While playing centre. But yeah, keep leaning on clutch stats, which you haven't even researched. 5 game sample? Meaningless.
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Post#114 » by Potential » Mon Aug 3, 2015 11:54 pm

idk if we should go by slugging percentage to determine who's a better player
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Post#115 » by Latrell » Mon Aug 3, 2015 11:58 pm

Rapcity_11 wrote:
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Yup, they have clutch stats. Trout is still better and it's still not close. For some reason people just don't get how unreal Trout is.


I don't think people get how unreal donaldson is either though. He has 9 RBI's and 3 HR in his last 5 games vs the AL Leading team and the Wildcard team. Mike Trout had 1 RBI combines in 5 games vs those teams.


Umm yeah, people obviously do. Donaldson is a beast, maybe the MVP of the AL if Trout didn't exist.

To keep things simple, Trout is slugging 80 points higher than JD. While playing centre. But yeah, keep leaning on clutch stats, which you haven't even researched. 5 game sample? Meaningless.


No one is saying Trout isn't better. I'm not sure what your definition of 'not even close' is though..
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Post#116 » by staceyrj13 » Tue Aug 4, 2015 12:20 am

Trout is by far the best player in the world. But Donaldson is a monster and is gonna be the closest guy to taking Trout's MVP from him. If Toronto gets hot and is better than LAA, Donaldson could/should win.
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Post#117 » by Rapcity_11 » Tue Aug 4, 2015 12:21 am

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I don't think people get how unreal donaldson is either though. He has 9 RBI's and 3 HR in his last 5 games vs the AL Leading team and the Wildcard team. Mike Trout had 1 RBI combines in 5 games vs those teams.


Umm yeah, people obviously do. Donaldson is a beast, maybe the MVP of the AL if Trout didn't exist.

To keep things simple, Trout is slugging 80 points higher than JD. While playing centre. But yeah, keep leaning on clutch stats, which you haven't even researched. 5 game sample? Meaningless.


No one is saying Trout isn't better. I'm not sure what your definition of 'not even close' is though..


A clear gap, that's obvious enough that nobody can make a legit case for JD.
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Post#118 » by Rapcity_11 » Tue Aug 4, 2015 12:22 am

Potential wrote:idk if we should go by slugging percentage to determine who's a better player


That's one of many, many things in Trout's favour.

Is there anything other than RBI's that puts Donaldson ahead?
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Re: OT: What is the NBA equivalent to what the Jays are doing? 

Post#119 » by Patman » Tue Aug 4, 2015 12:29 am

Rapcity_11 wrote:
NBACommissioner wrote:
Meursault wrote:
The Angels don't have an offence nearly as potent as the Jays. The fact that the Jays have collectively scored 130+ more runs than the Angels yet Donaldson has only about a half dozen more RBIs than Trout is quite telling as well.



Is there a stat for Clutch because Donaldson is ridiculously clutch...I really doubt Trout is better regardless of advanced stats. The west is weaker than the east too.


Yup, they have clutch stats. Trout is still better and it's still not close. For some reason people just don't get how unreal Trout is.


It's because a lot of people still think the most important hitting stats are homers, RBI's, and batting average.
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Re: OT: What is the NBA equivalent to what the Jays are doing? 

Post#120 » by Rapcity_11 » Tue Aug 4, 2015 12:32 am

Patman wrote:
Rapcity_11 wrote:
NBACommissioner wrote:

Is there a stat for Clutch because Donaldson is ridiculously clutch...I really doubt Trout is better regardless of advanced stats. The west is weaker than the east too.


Yup, they have clutch stats. Trout is still better and it's still not close. For some reason people just don't get how unreal Trout is.


It's because a lot of people still think the most important hitting stats are homers, RBI's, and batting average.


Yep. And even so, Trout still wins at HR and BA.

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