OT: Derrick Rose Accused of Drugging and Gang Raping Ex-Girlfriend

[bonbons]

Rose seems like a sociopath in general, so I kinda believe it. The quiet types are the worst.

[Raps in 4]

i still find it odd that she didn't try to file a police report as soon as she made up her mind top bring this under public light. even if she didn't, her lawyer should have urged her to do so.

It boggles my mind that people still find it 'odd' that rape victims don't always come forward immediately. Even if you can't understand the reason for someone not coming forward immediately (or at all in some cases), historical data would tell you that not reporting immediately is extremely common.

The odd thing is that she is bringing forward a civil suit. As far as I can tell from a quick google search, the statute of limitations on rape is longer than two years in California. She could still report this to the police.

A civil suit doesn't bring about justice. It doesn't punish Rose (any damages he'll have to pay out, even if in the millions, will be negligible for someone of his net worth) or prevent him from doing this to other women (as he won't be incarcerated or registered as a sex offender).

I'm not saying she didn't get raped, I'm just saying that the way she's pursuing this leaves room for doubt about her intentions.

[beanbag]

I'm not saying she didn't get raped, I'm just saying that the way she's pursuing this leaves room for doubt about her intentions.

It's exceedingly easy to raise doubt about intentions. The fact that we don't know what happened and the nature of the alleged crime is why we should probably all reserve judgement on the matter.

[Double Bubble]

There are more than a few posterchilds for victimhood.

Remember Rachel Dolezal? The white woman pretending to be black so she could play the race card? Yes this literally happened.

How about the woman who pretended to have been at the WTC and to have lost her husband on 9/11 when in fact she was in Barcelona and not married.

How about the delusional Rolling Stone rape "tale" which subsequently led to a retraction of the story and a defamation suit for good measure?

Should I go on?

Unless political correctness is more important than truth, feelings are more important that the facts, and idealism is more important than realism, then the accuser who seeks justice must be willing to fight and stand up for themselves. Aforementioned clowns makes this all the more crucial, regardless of it being interpreted as humiliating. It's called due process. Look it up, some of you might learn something.

There's a reason we have a court system and a rule of law you know, it works quite well resolving issues of this nature.

[vaff87]

I totally understand why it might take someone a long time to come forward about being raped, but what I don't understand in this case, is why not pursue criminal charges first? Although, maybe she did and the Police told her there wasn't enough evidence, and it just hasn't been mentioned yet. Or maybe that's something that will happen in the future, I don't know.

[beanbag]

There are more than a few posterchilds for victimhood.

Remember Rachel Dolezal? The white woman pretending to be black so she could play the race card? Yes this literally happened.

How about the woman who pretended to have been at the WTC and to have lost her husband on 9/11 when in fact she was in Barcelona and not married.

How about the delusional Rolling Stone rape "tale" which subsequently led to a retraction of the story and a defamation suit for good measure?

Should I go on?

Unless political correctness is more important than truth, feelings are more important that the facts, and idealism is more important than realism, then the accuser who seeks justice must be willing to fight and stand up for themselves. Aforementioned clowns makes this all the more crucial, regardless of it being interpreted as humiliating. It's called due process. Look it up, some of you might learn something.

There's a reason we have a court system and a rule of law you know, it works quite well resolving issues of this nature.

Who was arguing that due process shouldn't take place?

[Boogie!]

I don't want to jump to conclusions without any evidence for either side.

I think naturally many don't believe this because of the positive reputation and character Rose has built up throughout his career. We'll see though, you never know these days.

Really hope it's false though.

because you dont like the idea of someone getting raped or because youre a huge fan of rose?

reason i ask is because why does one really give a **** about whether or not a celebrity **** up... i mean isn't it a good thing that a rapist gets caught and punished...

[Fairview4Life]

i still find it odd that she didn't try to file a police report as soon as she made up her mind top bring this under public light. even if she didn't, her lawyer should have urged her to do so.

It boggles my mind that people still find it 'odd' that rape victims don't always come forward immediately. Even if you can't understand the reason for someone not coming forward immediately (or at all in some cases), historical data would tell you that not reporting immediately is extremely common.

The odd thing is that she is bringing forward a civil suit. As far as I can tell from a quick google search, the statute of limitations on rape is longer than two years in California. She could still report this to the police.

A civil suit doesn't bring about justice. It doesn't punish Rose (any damages he'll have to pay out, even if in the millions, will be negligible for someone of his net worth) or prevent him from doing this to other women (as he won't be incarcerated or registered as a sex offender).

I'm not saying she didn't get raped, I'm just saying that the way she's pursuing this leaves room for doubt about her intentions.

There is a different burden of proof and rules of evidence in civil cases. He said/she said is notoriously difficult to prosecute in a criminal trial.

[giannidemarco]

Anyone else remember hearing about D-Rose allegedly not paying an escort after they had sex? And I quote, '“laughed” in the prostitute's face & told her that he wasn't paying'...?
Just for reference, 3-5k (or whatever a high class escort charges) to someone making 10+ mill/year is the equivalent of $5-7 to someone making an average 50k/year salary; so to allegedly renege on paying the escort, and then laughing in the face of one of society's most vulnerable is a scumbag move.

http://mediatakeout.com/52374/on-blast-prostitute-claims-that-nba-star-derrick-rose-refused-to-pay-after-getting-services-the-lockout-is-messing-up-a-heaux-cash.html


And now there's accusations about an alleged gang rape!?


Where there's smoke, doesn't necessarily mean fire... but there's a lot of smoke around D-Rose.

[Mattd97]

no idea the truth here and both should probably get the benefit of the doubt this early in to something like this; but i just want to say anyone who says its not true cause rose could have any girl he wants doesnt understand the first thing about rape. which i suppose is probably a good thing, but yeah its often about power not just wanting some

[Mattd97]

I totally understand why it might take someone a long time to come forward about being raped, but what I don't understand in this case, is why not pursue criminal charges first? Although, maybe she did and the Police told her there wasn't enough evidence, and it just hasn't been mentioned yet. Or maybe that's something that will happen in the future, I don't know.

rape like that, especially when not immediately reported, its notoriously difficult to prove beyond a reasonable doubt - its he said/she said and in this case theres more he's and they have much better lawyers. civil on the other hand is simply "more likely than not." Fortunately having never been in such a position I dont really know or understand the reasoning behind her decisions.

[IMAN5]

I don't want to jump to conclusions without any evidence for either side.

I think naturally many don't believe this because of the positive reputation and character Rose has built up throughout his career. We'll see though, you never know these days.

Really hope it's false though.

because you dont like the idea of someone getting raped or because youre a huge fan of rose?

reason i ask is because why does one really give a **** about whether or not a celebrity **** up... i mean isn't it a good thing that a rapist gets caught and punished...

Both.

Someone getting raped is a terrible thing. Gang rape especially is terrible.

Derrick Rose isn't just some reality star or guy that is full of himself and loves the press. He's a down to earth athlete that acts as a role model for a lot of people in the Chicago community but also a lot of people in the world. His MVP speech for his mom, his constant begging for Chicago to stop the violence. He's a great role model for the kids to look up to rather than the f-boys of today (Harden, Paul George, etc).

[ontnut]

I know I may get flamed for this, but it does seem like the culture of blaming the victim hasn't died with the Cosby allegations. The entire first page more or less was composed of posts that in one way or another, summarily dismissed the girl's case without any sort of evidence either way.

You would be flamed rightly so, we are disming the girls case without any sort of evidence because there is not any that she presented. Its beyond crazy to bring up Cosby in any way....35 occusers vs one who was already in conential relationship with Rose.

Beyond crazy? really. They're both accused of drugging women's/a woman's drink and raping them while drugged. Because it's 1 woman and not 35 in this scenario, it's completely crazy to associate the two cases of victim blaming?
I'm using the Cosby scenario only to make the point that "victim blaming" is still something many people continue to do, a sort of instinctive reaction to these types of stories, even though most of us did it during the Cosby allegations and were proven completely wrong. The first woman to come out and accuse Cosby faced the same public backlash (ie gold digger, whore, liar etc.) that this woman is facing now. There wasn't much evidence there either, and it was decades in the past, not just 2 years ago. The Cosby accusers are now more or less understood to be telling the truth only because multiple women came forth with the same story. So because there may be only 1 victim in this case, somehow, it is being summarily dismissed without concrete evidence either way? Lesson not learned.

[ontnut]

With modern feminism, I notice that there are a lot more rape and sexual assault cases reported. Generally, I feel that some of these women just regret having sex, and decided that they were not responsible. Of course, rape is a serious matter and I won't say without a doubt she wasn't raped. But I'd like to see the evidence they bring forward. To me, this case, like the ongoing Cosby situation, seem more monetary motivated than justice. With that said, whether he is innocent or not, I hope Justice remains impartial on the matter. And if she is lying, she needs to be punished for wasting public resources that could have been better spent on an actual sexual assault case.

Could it be that they feel more comfortable in coming out now? Now that society as a whole is becoming more understanding of the issue, and more accepting on the fact that sometimes, men do crappy things to women, and that it is ok for women to talk of those experiences?
Do you really think the Cosby situation is monetarily motivated over justice? Because none of those women are getting money from Cosby. Their past experiences were largely held in silence, in fear of being enveloped by the shadow of one of the greatest TV/Comedy/Movie figures of all time. It's like coming out and saying that a former US President raped you (Clinton vs. Lewinsky). Nobody believed her...until Bill admitted it. But before his admission, everybody and their grandfather was saying she was a gold-digging whore....

Lying and making false accusations / wasting the time and money of the courts is a totally different subject and is not a problem specific to rape cases. I could talk for hours about how wealthy professionals try to bury their competition under mounds of legal documents/fees, and it's totally legal. I have been engaged in a legal battle with one of the most well known diet doctors in the city/country for the better part of 5 years. We're talking multi-6 figures just in legal costs, nevermind the actual costs including taxpayer $$.

Clinton never raped Lewinsky. That you assumed it was rape is a perfect example of how the word rape has come to mean different things and is starting to be used for acts that are regretful, or morally wrong in the public eye. If there's a big age difference but not qualified as statutory, it isn't rape. If a woman is wasted from her own choices of consumption then chooses to have sex as she's still coherent enough to consent, it isn't rape if she regrets it the next day. If word gets around that she was gang banged and willing, but then regrets it and says she was forced, again, it isn't rape. Rape is when the woman didn't consent or is basically unconscious from being to much under the influence.

This is why these things need to be reported right away. Evidence is needed. Just as there are men who are rapists, there are women who lie and have buyers remorse. You can't convict one way or the other on testimony alone. Evidence is so crucial because of that. It doesn't mean we don't have empathy for women who truly go through that and take a while to report it, just that we can't be sure by that point either criminally or in a civil case either.

Sorry, I did use the wrong terminology/grammar there. I was caught in a train of thought - that it would be difficult to come out against someone powerful, such as a former US President (I could've used, actor, dignitary, CEO, just a person in a position of immense power), and accuse him of anything improper, because nobody will believe you over them and they have the power to bury you - it actually had nothing to do with the Lewinsky case being rape, and everything to do with not immediately dismissing "crazy" claims - my bad. After I wrote the President part, then I remembered the Lewinsky thing and threw that in there as an example of victim blaming. I'm pretty sure most of us initially thought she was lying and was just out to get Bill, and that the story was untrue.

I do agree with you that rape is/should be a well defined term. And I'm also totally against people using it as an "excuse" for doing something they regret later on. Patrice O'neal (comedian) actually has a bit on this - as it happened to him where a girl that he and his buddies were banging and talking about gangbanging publicly, broke down, had regrets, and went to the police claiming rape. That ruined the life of at least one of the guys who went nuts in prison.

I want to be clear that I'm not on either "side" in this case, though I understand if my posts seem like I'm defending the alleged victim. I too, want to see hard evidence before making my judgment. I'm only trying to make the point that people who immediately dismiss a rape accusation without being presented the full and proper evidence, as gold-digging or whatever, simply because it is civil case, or it took 2 years, or it involves a celebrity, or whatever the reason may be, are often being unfair to those who actually have been raped, which this woman may have been.

[RaptorReloaded]

I don't want to jump to conclusions without any evidence for either side.

I think naturally many don't believe this because of the positive reputation and character Rose has built up throughout his career. We'll see though, you never know these days.

Really hope it's false though.

because you dont like the idea of someone getting raped or because youre a huge fan of rose?

reason i ask is because why does one really give a **** about whether or not a celebrity **** up... i mean isn't it a good thing that a rapist gets caught and punished...

Both.

Someone getting raped is a terrible thing. Gang rape especially is terrible.

Derrick Rose isn't just some reality star or guy that is full of himself and loves the press. He's a down to earth athlete that acts as a role model for a lot of people in the Chicago community but also a lot of people in the world. His MVP speech for his mom, his constant begging for Chicago to stop the violence. He's a great role model for the kids to look up to rather than the f-boys of today (Harden, Paul George, etc).

Everyone thought Lance Armstrong and Tiger Woods were Saints and look what happened there. Just cause he stands up for Chicago youth and and donates time and money to charities doesn't mean he's not a misogynistic a hole capable of rape. When I first heard this story I thought it was bs but three articles have been posted in this thread that have swayed my opinion. Her recount of the story. His past interactions with high end escorts where he doesn't pay and laughs in her face. And why she's perusing this in civil court cause it's easier to prove he did it since the incident took place two years ago. Criminal court would be much harder. If he's proven guilty in civil she can then take it to criminal court and have a much better shot at getting him convicted.

Not just that but I have friends of both sexes that have been raped or molested that have not come forward. It really is something you don't want people or the public to know. You got raped! We joke about it in day to day life in conversations. Heck even on this forum during game discussions if some one gets dunked or crossed over someone will say "he got raped!" It's a shaming thing. I can understand why these people don't come out. You are a living breathing loving human being that was treated as less than trash. To go on about your life as if nothing happened must seam easier than coming out to family friends and public that you were a helpless victim. I know for a fact that if I was walking alone DT and a gang of Gay guys trapped and gang raped me in an alley I would probably take sometime to come grips with it myself let alone come out to my family. That hypothetical story even seams comedic but if it were reality I was raped. To say that's not possible and it doesn't happen is a lie. I know first hand. I used to work in retail with a lot of gay men who were my friends. They go to this place called the Barn downtown that's a notorious gay bar. I went with them one time just cause 1. I couldn't give a **** if someone is gay or not and 2. They were my friends. We get there and I go to the bar to get a beer. The shirtless guy behind the bar smiles at me and gives me one. I take my beer and post up by a wall that's not by the dance floor and just chill. I didn't want to hit the dance floor for obviousness reasons. I'd be like that girl at a club that has a bunch of dudes trying to circle her for a dance. As I'm sipping my beer I started to notice the room spinning on me. My sister had been roofied in the past and told me what happened. I immediately stumbled out of the club and started walking down the street before I blacked out. When I came to I was in some restaurant passed out on a table with the manager yelling at me saying he was going to call the cops. I got up, left hailed a cab, blacked out again and woke up back at my place. I got lucky that night but someone else probably didn't.

Also let's not act like this girl has nothing to lose by going public with this. The sloot shaming has already started. Rose gets to carry on his life as a millionaire basketball player regardless of this outcome. She on the other hand doesn't.

[JN]

The false assumption made by many is that athletes can get so many girls, so why would they need to rape anybody.... that is the exact reason many become aggressive or dicks at times (Although I would think its certainly a small minority that take it to next level like rape) . They can't get what they want (and can usually get). Not every female's desire is to be a one night conquest -- yet these guys are surrounded by so many groupies its the way they start to believe. This can be at a bar, or even when a female out of the club has done some initimate things but expressed her limits.

[ontnut]

Also, has anyone else seen DRose close to crying talking about the crime and violence in Chicago asking for it to end? Rose isn't a guy to BREAK INTO his ex's house to rape him... there's no chance there's any truth to this gold diggers accusations. It sucks for Rose, because his name is looked at in this light. He should attempt to sue her right back when they find out her accusations against him are full of sh*t... there might be a defamation lawsuit he might be able to pursue.

What does Rose being close to crying about crime and violence have to do with this? Because he says he wants crime and violence to end in Chicago, that means he's 100% incapable of committing a violent crime himself? Also, according to the document filed, he didn't have to break into her apartment, it was unlocked. People have mentioned his MVP speech: talking about his mom and crying. Does that also preclude him from doing anything illegal? I mean c'mon. You do realize that by being in this relationship with this girl, Rose is already guilty of cheating on his girlfriend? I mean, that's a minor minor point, and certainly not criminal, but it's not like the guy is some sort of angel...

[giannidemarco]

Also, has anyone else seen DRose close to crying talking about the crime and violence in Chicago asking for it to end? Rose isn't a guy to BREAK INTO his ex's house to rape him... there's no chance there's any truth to this gold diggers accusations. It sucks for Rose, because his name is looked at in this light. He should attempt to sue her right back when they find out her accusations against him are full of sh*t... there might be a defamation lawsuit he might be able to pursue.

On the other hand, D-Rose was admittedly photographed throwing up a gang sign of a notorious Chicago gang: a gang that 2pac hated b/c of their killings/gun violence.

D-Rose chalked it up to being young & naive, but people always wondered about an alleged affiliation... Personally, I find it suspect that he was comfortable throwing up a regional gang sign in a photograph; especially b/c of potential repercussion if he had no affiliation.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/214590

[Raps in 4]

Almost everything "nice" that athletes do publicly is PR and is very rarely genuine.

[IMAN5]

because you dont like the idea of someone getting raped or because youre a huge fan of rose?

reason i ask is because why does one really give a **** about whether or not a celebrity **** up... i mean isn't it a good thing that a rapist gets caught and punished...

Both.

Someone getting raped is a terrible thing. Gang rape especially is terrible.

Derrick Rose isn't just some reality star or guy that is full of himself and loves the press. He's a down to earth athlete that acts as a role model for a lot of people in the Chicago community but also a lot of people in the world. His MVP speech for his mom, his constant begging for Chicago to stop the violence. He's a great role model for the kids to look up to rather than the f-boys of today (Harden, Paul George, etc).

Everyone thought Lance Armstrong and Tiger Woods were Saints and look what happened there. Just cause he stands up for Chicago youth and and donates time and money to charities doesn't mean he's not a misogynistic a hole capable of rape. When I first heard this story I thought it was bs but three articles have been posted in this thread that have swayed my opinion. Her recount of the story. His past interactions with high end escorts where he doesn't pay and laughs in her face. And why she's perusing this in civil court cause it's easier to prove he did it since the incident took place two years ago. Criminal court would be much harder. If he's proven guilty in civil she can then take it to criminal court and have a much better shot at getting him convicted.

Not just that but I have friends of both sexes that have been raped or molested that have not come forward. It really is something you don't want people or the public to know. You got raped! We joke about it in day to day life in conversations. Heck even on this forum during game discussions if some one gets dunked or crossed over someone will say "he got raped!" It's a shaming thing. I can understand why these people don't come out. You are a living breathing loving human being that was treated as less than trash. To go on about your life as if nothing happened must seam easier than coming out to family friends and public that you were a helpless victim. I know for a fact that if I was walking alone DT and a gang of Gay guys trapped and gang raped me in an alley I would probably take sometime to come grips with it myself let alone come out to my family. That hypothetical story even seams comedic but if it were reality I was raped. To say that's not possible and it doesn't happen is a lie. I know first hand. I used to work in retail with a lot of gay men who were my friends. They go to this place called the Barn downtown that's a notorious gay bar. I went with them one time just cause 1. I couldn't give a **** if someone is gay or not and 2. They were my friends. We get there and I go to the bar to get a beer. The shirtless guy behind the bar smiles at me and gives me one. I take my beer and post up by a wall that's not by the dance floor and just chill. I didn't want to hit the dance floor for obviousness reasons. I'd be like that girl at a club that has a bunch of dudes trying to circle her for a dance. As I'm sipping my beer I started to notice the room spinning on me. My sister had been roofied in the past and told me what happened. I immediately stumbled out of the club and started walking down the street before I blacked out. When I came to I was in some restaurant passed out on a table with the manager yelling at me saying he was going to call the cops. I got up, left hailed a cab, blacked out again and woke up back at my place. I got lucky that night but someone else probably didn't.

Also let's not act like this girl has nothing to lose by going public with this. The sloot shaming has already started. Rose gets to carry on his life as a millionaire basketball player regardless of this outcome. She on the other hand doesn't.

I actually didn't read your post because I feel like I know what you're gonna say.

If you read mine you would see I said I HOPE it isn't true. I never ran to his defense, I said for the sake of 1. rape being bad in general and 2. all the kids that look up to Rose I would hope that his is a false accusation and the truth comes out showing an innocent role model that kids can continue looking up to.