Amir Johnson said the Raptors stole a few plays from Brad Stevens last season.

[Kabookalu]

There is a difference between plays and a system. We have plays, lots, actually. But I don't see much of a system. A play can break down. A system can run continuously.

The triangle (w/o Melo), D'Antoni's Suns (infinite PnR's), Pop's continuity offense (which disciples like Bud and Kerr borrowed from) are examples of systems. They make the D work the entire possession when executed.

You can see the difference in our offense. We call a play. The D does one thing to disrupt it, and bam, it's iso town or once in a while dump it to JV.

I agree that there are a difference between plays and systems. Though as far as us not having a system, we do have a system, the problem is that it hinges so much on having a dominant star perimeter player that can facilitate and score. With the exception of Kyle Lowry for parts of the first half of the season, we didn't have a single player coming close to that caliber. It's supposed to put that star perimeter player into a number of situations where he can quarterback the offense. And it's not that bad of a system, look how well Lowry played in it before his epic collapse. Lowry in this system that this board hates so much was one of the best offenses in the league playing alongside Terrence Ross, Landry Fields, Greivis Vasquez, and James Johnson.

Our system in the hands of someone incapable of running it, such as DeRozan and Lowry post Blazers game, looks messy and dysfunctional. How we were a top 4 offense in the league despite the rocky stats by our starting lineup really speaks to how well Patterson and Lou played, as far as offense goes.

[22haytham22]

Must have stolen his ISO plays.

[TheSamMitchell]

This statement tastes a bit salty.

[Patman]

There is a difference between plays and a system. We have plays, lots, actually. But I don't see much of a system. A play can break down. A system can run continuously.

The triangle (w/o Melo), D'Antoni's Suns (infinite PnR's), Pop's continuity offense (which disciples like Bud and Kerr borrowed from) are examples of systems. They make the D work the entire possession when executed.

You can see the difference in our offense. We call a play. The D does one thing to disrupt it, and bam, it's iso town or once in a while dump it to JV.

I agree that there are a difference between plays and systems. Though as far as us not having a system, we do have a system, the problem is that it hinges so much on having a dominant star perimeter player that can facilitate and score. With the exception of Kyle Lowry for parts of the first half of the season, we didn't have a single player coming close to that caliber. It's supposed to put that star perimeter player into a number of situations where he can quarterback the offense. And it's not that bad of a system, look how well Lowry played in it before his epic collapse. Lowry in this system that this board hates so much was one of the best offenses in the league playing alongside Terrence Ross, Landry Fields, Greivis Vasquez, and James Johnson.

Our system in the hands of someone incapable of running it, such as DeRozan and Lowry post Blazers game, looks messy and dysfunctional. How we were a top 4 offense in the league despite the rocky stats by our starting lineup really speaks to how well Patterson and Lou played, as far as offense goes.

It's not much of a system if the premise of it is "have a superstar". That's why the Thunder fired Brooks. His system is "KD an Westbrook take turns taking over the offense". Our offense can hum b/c Lowry at peak form is a Top 10 player, but he can't hold that up for an entire season. Lowry's play is the equivalent of sprinting in a marathon. Sure, you'll look great for a bit, but we'll see where you finish.

Our system also heavily hinged on hot shooting, which we know is really also not sustainable. I saw early signs of an offensive collapse, but most people didn't care b/c "Top 10 offense!! Nothing to worry about!" That culminated in a sweep against the Wiz.

Yeah, Kyle was banged up, but so are a lot of players. It's not like he was hiding an injury that needed surgery. It looked more to me like he was exhausted. He's in better shape this year, but I think even LeBron would have gotten tired of carrying our offense over a whole season.

It's the same thing on D. Our defense is effort-based. It's about hedging/recovering/rotating/helping/closing out as fast you can. It's great when you have fresh legs, but eventually it will bite you in the ass. You can't hold turbo the entire game.

[Kabookalu]

There is a difference between plays and a system. We have plays, lots, actually. But I don't see much of a system. A play can break down. A system can run continuously.

The triangle (w/o Melo), D'Antoni's Suns (infinite PnR's), Pop's continuity offense (which disciples like Bud and Kerr borrowed from) are examples of systems. They make the D work the entire possession when executed.

You can see the difference in our offense. We call a play. The D does one thing to disrupt it, and bam, it's iso town or once in a while dump it to JV.

I agree that there are a difference between plays and systems. Though as far as us not having a system, we do have a system, the problem is that it hinges so much on having a dominant star perimeter player that can facilitate and score. With the exception of Kyle Lowry for parts of the first half of the season, we didn't have a single player coming close to that caliber. It's supposed to put that star perimeter player into a number of situations where he can quarterback the offense. And it's not that bad of a system, look how well Lowry played in it before his epic collapse. Lowry in this system that this board hates so much was one of the best offenses in the league playing alongside Terrence Ross, Landry Fields, Greivis Vasquez, and James Johnson.

Our system in the hands of someone incapable of running it, such as DeRozan and Lowry post Blazers game, looks messy and dysfunctional. How we were a top 4 offense in the league despite the rocky stats by our starting lineup really speaks to how well Patterson and Lou played, as far as offense goes.

It's not much of a system if the premise of it is "have a superstar". That's why the Thunder fired Brooks. His system is "KD an Westbrook take turns taking over the offense". Our offense can hum b/c Lowry at peak form is a Top 10 player, but he can't hold that up for an entire season. Lowry's play is the equivalent of sprinting in a marathon. Sure, you'll look great for a bit, but we'll see where you finish.

Our system also heavily hinged on hot shooting, which we know is really also not sustainable. I saw early signs of an offensive collapse, but most people didn't care b/c "Top 10 offense!! Nothing to worry about!" That culminated in a sweep against the Wiz.

Yeah, Kyle was banged up, but so are a lot of players. It's not like he was hiding an injury that needed surgery. It looked more to me like he was exhausted. He's in better shape this year, but I think even LeBron would have gotten tired of carrying our offense over a whole season.

It's the same thing on D. Our defense is effort-based. It's about hedging/recovering/rotating/helping/closing out as fast you can. It's great when you have fresh legs, but eventually it will bite you in the ass. You can't hold turbo the entire game.

Even teams with superstars need systems. Jordan/Shaq/Kobe the triangle. Nash SSOL. LeBron and the spread out offense. Curry and the steroids of an offense they're running in Golden State.

And our system is way better than whatever Scott Brooks ran. Granted he got better in his final season, but this guy was running simplistic horns sets with a team that featured Durant and Westbrook. Ours at least would place a superstar in a number of ideal situations where he can score and create, we just didn't have one. It would give the star player flexibility; he could run the pick and roll as shooters were set up all around the court, and it was done in a subtle way. Our offense when Lowry was playing like a star was gorgeous to watch.

[WiggOuts]

Everyone steals plays from everyone...Pop stole elements from D'antonis offense

[OnAirDonnie]

There are no "new" plays in basketball.

Especially in the NBA. Everything is a variation on ball screen, pin downs, staggered screens, screening the screener and isos.

The last true genius was Tex Winter when he developed the "Triple Post" offence - now known as the Traingle.

There are only so many ways you can configure 5 men on a court.

Personally, I'd love to see The Raptors implement aspects of the triangle (for the purpose of easy post ups, weak side action, and fewer hero drives from the top) and an old UCLA 4 high across offence, where you get tons of high screen and rolls, dribble handoffs, open weakside 3s and whatever. It's been a long time since any NBA team committed to that style - and the Raps have the right personnel for it - ESPECIALLY when they go small.

[DellCurry4Life]

Too bad Casey can't execute plays so doesn't matter.

Players execute plays. Coaches teach the plays. So I guess you are correct in saying the coach cannot execute the play

[Undefeated]

The last true genius was Tex Winter when he developed the "Triple Post" offence - now known as the Traingle.

If we're being technical, Tex Winter was not the developer/inventor of the Triangle offense which he even said himself; instead, he was an innovator and stole parts of it from his mentor Sam Barry.

I'd say Pop has been an innovator as well by importing the Spurs' Motion offense from Europe that a lot of offenses in the NBA nowadays have integrated into their primary/secondary break and early offense. Same with MDA and his 21 Series/Pistol action.

[IMAN5]

Amir I love you, stop trashing us.

[TONYROMOHOF]

There is a difference between plays and a system. We have plays, lots, actually. But I don't see much of a system. A play can break down. A system can run continuously.

The triangle (w/o Melo), D'Antoni's Suns (infinite PnR's), Pop's continuity offense (which disciples like Bud and Kerr borrowed from) are examples of systems. They make the D work the entire possession when executed.

You can see the difference in our offense. We call a play. The D does one thing to disrupt it, and bam, it's iso town or once in a while dump it to JV.

The "Triangle with Melo" is an example of a "system". They "make the D work" the entire possession when executed*.

[TONYROMOHOF]

There is a difference between plays and a system. We have plays, lots, actually. But I don't see much of a system. A play can break down. A system can run continuously.

The triangle (w/o Melo), D'Antoni's Suns (infinite PnR's), Pop's continuity offense (which disciples like Bud and Kerr borrowed from) are examples of systems. They make the D work the entire possession when executed.

You can see the difference in our offense. We call a play. The D does one thing to disrupt it, and bam, it's iso town or once in a while dump it to JV.

The "Triangle with Melo" is an example of a "system". They "make the D work" the entire possession when executed*.

I read that wrong lol you said without melo

[ontnut]

I'm happy to hear that actually. Shows Casey is at least willing to learn and take bits and peices from other coaches (esp. one who is fairly highly regarded).
I'd be more upset if Casey was presented a chance to steal a few plays, and didn't, for whatever reason.

[LLJ]

Back in the 80s, Doug Collins' 'offensive system' on the Bulls was called the "a play a day" system. Basically he'd steal plays left and right and by the end of the season he had hundreds of plays stolen from other teams in his playbook.

[Lunchpailhero1]

We should steal more. Brad Stevens is a wizard

[DIEHARD_005]

wow, never pegged amir for a liar. we all know casey doesn't run plays.

[OakleyDokely]

Casey also stole plays from the smurfs

[Dirk]

Should have stolen plays from better coaches, like Randy Wittman.

[Rapcity_11]

Our system also heavily hinged on hot shooting, which we know is really also not sustainable. I saw early signs of an offensive collapse, but most people didn't care b/c "Top 10 offense!! Nothing to worry about!" That culminated in a sweep against the Wiz.

You saw signs of Lowry playing like one of the worst players in the NBA?

The was no offensive collapse. Even in the playoffs the Raptors were decent offensively when you consider how bad Lowry was. Had to played like an average PG, the offense would have been just fine.

Defense is another story. But nobody wants to talk about that.

[Jstock12]

This is why Corey Joseph was signed - dat Pop playbook baby.