PG: DeDelon DeWrightZan

[pingpongrac]

8-0 when he scores 40 lol.

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6-0 this year and 3 of those games have come post-ASB.

[AreBe]

What happens in Cavs continue to coast and drop to 2nd? Do we tank for 4th?

Do you really want Milwaukee in the first round? Go for third. We can probably throw the last game and send the to Cavs first if we play it right.

Exactly --- rest a still recovering Lowry, rest many of our players - turn the game into a practice etc. Send Cavs to first so they can deal with the Bulls or the Heat for us.

[___Rand___]

Man Delon was outstanding defensively today. I don't think Dragic scored on him at all

Delon has been good in certain match ups. his length bothered Dragic. He's useless against quicker smaller PGs. When he can't match up to the speed of the guy he's guarding, he shrank smaller than a mice on the floor. He needs to seriously IMPROVE his game this summer. work that jumpshot. shoot it a 1000 times a day everyday. otherwise he's another wasted 1st round pick.

That's one way to spin it. How about Cory Joseph, better against smaller guards, needs to not get violated by Russell?

Cory has his weaknesses. Have you seen Isiah run rings around Lowry? but seriously, are you trying to say delon is better than cory. lol

[T_saurus]

Found this on Reddit. Seems appropriate for our trash team:

https://streamable.com/gv6mk

Loved this, whatever it is..

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Also, DeMar is the first Raptor since Vince to have back-to-back 40 pt games.

[dhackett1565]

We're winning. That's all we should be worried about. Raptors isn't just 1 player btw. Since his 25/12 game against the pelicans. In 8 games JV averaging 9pts 9 rebounds. Production not there

This really is kind of irrelevant, but his production has been fine.

He's only averaged 23 MPG in the past 8 games. On the season, of all the players who average 24 MPG or fewer, the most rebounds per game anyone has is 8.8. So considering the minutes, can't complain about that rebounding production. As for points - of those players who average 24 MPG or fewer on the year, JV would rank 25th with his 9.1 points per game. Of course, he only gets 7.4 FGA's per game to score with - fewer than every player above him except 2, and has a higher FG% in that time than all but 5 of the players above him in points, not to mention the highest FG% on the team in those 8 games.

His defence is why he's sitting (and other times, just for no reason, but when there is a good reason it's his defence), not his production. That 9 points, 9 rebounds line tells you a lot more adjusted for minutes - per 36, he's averaged 14 and 14 on 53% shooting with 1.8 blocks. Again, production fine, it's not why he's sitting. The team has struggled with some of his lineups out there (lineup choice being an entire other conversation), for reasons both attributable to JV and not, so they aren't being used as much.

[RaptorsLife]

We're winning. That's all we should be worried about. Raptors isn't just 1 player btw. Since his 25/12 game against the pelicans. In 8 games JV averaging 9pts 9 rebounds. Production not there

This really is kind of irrelevant, but his production has been fine.

He's only averaged 23 MPG in the past 8 games. On the season, of all the players who average 24 MPG or fewer, the most rebounds per game anyone has is 8.8. So considering the minutes, can't complain about that rebounding production. As for points - of those players who average 24 MPG or fewer on the year, JV would rank 25th with his 9.1 points per game. Of course, he only gets 7.4 FGA's per game to score with - fewer than every player above him except 2, and has a higher FG% in that time than all but 5 of the players above him in points, not to mention the highest FG% on the team in those 8 games.

His defence is why he's sitting (and other times, just for no reason, but when there is a good reason it's his defence), not his production. That 9 points, 9 rebounds line tells you a lot more adjusted for minutes - per 36, he's averaged 14 and 14 on 53% shooting with 1.8 blocks. Again, production fine, it's not why he's sitting. The team has struggled with some of his lineups out there (lineup choice being an entire other conversation), for reasons both attributable to JV and not, so they aren't being used as much.

Yeah i mean the pelicans game was percived as a break game for him but he really didn't break through the wall he's in.

Whiteside and Robin lopaz should have been a great matchup for him but he was completely irrelevant in both games. Look lost on defense. We got a top 3 defense since all star break

JV mins before all star break 27 mins

JV mins after all star break 23 mins.

Ibaka and tucker. Also not coniencdence that our defense got better with less mins for jv

[Turbo_Zone]

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More like Toronto TRAP-tors, amirite???

I'll see myself out.

ALL DAY BABY!!!! TRAPTORS!!!!! hahaha

[MasaiLegs]

I still don't know why demar gets so much hate on here. Oh And believe me it's only on here. I hardly meet people in the real world that dislike demar. Without him where would we be right now ?

Tonight's not the night to **** on Derozan... but there are plenty of people outside of this board who don't rate Derozan's game. Travel south of the border. There's a reason ESPN ranked him in the 40's (mind you even I think he's way better than that). A lot of people don't like his game outside of Raptor fans and that's coming from somebody who has lots of friends in the US and watch basketball religiously.

He did have a great game tonight, looked like Kobe. But don't get it twisted, it's not just us on RealGM who don't particularly like his game.


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they ranked derozan 40 because he plays for Canada. It's that simple. If you think it's anything other than that, well you fell for it.

and YES it is only on realgm where people hate on a elite talent, i wouldn't be proud of it either.

Elite? Derozan's scoring is elite. But he is not an elite player. Again, I said his 40 ranking was wrong too... BUT he does have his flaws. Elite players, true max players are in small company... are your expectations of an elite player that low that defense doesn't count for anything? Court vision? Decision making? Clutch factor?

Don't get me wrong him and Lowry are the engines to this team. He's an AMAZING scorer, one of the best in the world. We'd be **** without him. But he doesn't excel in anything but scoring. Kahwi, Lebron etc are elite players... Derozan is not in that tier.

To say the ONLY reason why Derozan was ranked so low because he plays for a team in Canada speaks to either your Canadian inferiority complex or your overrating of Derozan. It's one of the reasons, but not the only one.

[DonMega]

Can't believe how terrible JV was in this game. Whiteside completely demolished him, actually even when whiteside wasn't in JV demolished himself. That's really un-JV like, usually whiteside has problems with him.

[Ipsofact0]

I tried explaining that in the game thread, and the rebuttal was basically, "hey, this **** is working right now who cares weeee!"

So.


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In the game thread you pretty much blamed him for scoring too much compared to the rest of the team. Not for taking too many shots, just scoring too much. And now you're still trying to make it sound like you had a valid point. Pathetic.

The thread is still there, there's no need for the lies.

My gripe was that DeRozan shooting 8/12 wasn't sustainable and after shooting so well, he's not going to look to pass the ball, and he'll continue to heave - even if the shot selection was poor. I think DeRozan ended the night with, maybe, three assists.

I'm asking for ball movement. Actively seek to get his team-mates going. We've seen this hero style in the Play-offs for three years running. And every series has ended in shameful defeat (to lower seed, in the first round) or the narrowest of victories (to lower seed, less talented teams).

If you think DeRozan can regularly shoot 65% from the field, with the post-season looming, then I've got some magic beans for trade.

The TEAM needs to improve, needs to get into rhythm before the post season, or face another first round bombing. Now, that's pathetic.

(and your posts are crap, too.)




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lol this **** is so pathetic, DD haters literally have no points anymore.

[Ipsofact0]

Tonight's not the night to **** on Derozan... but there are plenty of people outside of this board who don't rate Derozan's game. Travel south of the border. There's a reason ESPN ranked him in the 40's (mind you even I think he's way better than that). A lot of people don't like his game outside of Raptor fans and that's coming from somebody who has lots of friends in the US and watch basketball religiously.

He did have a great game tonight, looked like Kobe. But don't get it twisted, it's not just us on RealGM who don't particularly like his game.


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they ranked derozan 40 because he plays for Canada. It's that simple. If you think it's anything other than that, well you fell for it.

and YES it is only on realgm where people hate on a elite talent, i wouldn't be proud of it either.

Elite? Derozan's scoring is elite. But he is not an elite player. Again, I said his 40 ranking was wrong too... BUT he does have his flaws. Elite players, true max players are in small company... are your expectations of an elite player that low that defense doesn't count for anything? Court vision? Decision making? Clutch factor?

Don't get me wrong him and Lowry are the engines to this team. He's an AMAZING scorer, one of the best in the world. We'd be **** without him. But he doesn't excel in anything but scoring. Kahwi, Lebron etc are elite players... Derozan is not in that tier.

To say the ONLY reason why Derozan was ranked so low because he plays for a team in Canada speaks to either your Canadian inferiority complex or your overrating of Derozan. It's one of the reasons, but not the only one.

sure thing bud

[MasaiLegs]

they ranked derozan 40 because he plays for Canada. It's that simple. If you think it's anything other than that, well you fell for it.

and YES it is only on realgm where people hate on a elite talent, i wouldn't be proud of it either.

Elite? Derozan's scoring is elite. But he is not an elite player. Again, I said his 40 ranking was wrong too... BUT he does have his flaws. Elite players, true max players are in small company... are your expectations of an elite player that low that defense doesn't count for anything? Court vision? Decision making? Clutch factor?

Don't get me wrong him and Lowry are the engines to this team. He's an AMAZING scorer, one of the best in the world. We'd be **** without him. But he doesn't excel in anything but scoring. Kahwi, Lebron etc are elite players... Derozan is not in that tier.

To say the ONLY reason why Derozan was ranked so low because he plays for a team in Canada speaks to either your Canadian inferiority complex or your overrating of Derozan. It's one of the reasons, but not the only one.

sure thing bud

Are you saying Demar has elite court vision? Decision making? Clutch factor? If so we have nothing more to discuss.

[Ipsofact0]

Elite? Derozan's scoring is elite. But he is not an elite player. Again, I said his 40 ranking was wrong too... BUT he does have his flaws. Elite players, true max players are in small company... are your expectations of an elite player that low that defense doesn't count for anything? Court vision? Decision making? Clutch factor?

Don't get me wrong him and Lowry are the engines to this team. He's an AMAZING scorer, one of the best in the world. We'd be **** without him. But he doesn't excel in anything but scoring. Kahwi, Lebron etc are elite players... Derozan is not in that tier.

To say the ONLY reason why Derozan was ranked so low because he plays for a team in Canada speaks to either your Canadian inferiority complex or your overrating of Derozan. It's one of the reasons, but not the only one.

sure thing bud

Are you saying Demar has elite court vision? Decision making? Clutch factor? If so we have nothing more to discuss.

I thought that was clear from the "sure thing bud" DD haters always raise the bar whenever he passes it. That's just how it is.

Derozan is a elite player, i don't give a flying **** what you think.

[pingpongrac]

Tonight's not the night to **** on Derozan... but there are plenty of people outside of this board who don't rate Derozan's game. Travel south of the border. There's a reason ESPN ranked him in the 40's (mind you even I think he's way better than that). A lot of people don't like his game outside of Raptor fans and that's coming from somebody who has lots of friends in the US and watch basketball religiously.

He did have a great game tonight, looked like Kobe. But don't get it twisted, it's not just us on RealGM who don't particularly like his game.


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they ranked derozan 40 because he plays for Canada. It's that simple. If you think it's anything other than that, well you fell for it.

and YES it is only on realgm where people hate on a elite talent, i wouldn't be proud of it either.

Elite? Derozan's scoring is elite. But he is not an elite player. Again, I said his 40 ranking was wrong too... BUT he does have his flaws. Elite players, true max players are in small company... are your expectations of an elite player that low that defense doesn't count for anything? Court vision? Decision making? Clutch factor?

Don't get me wrong him and Lowry are the engines to this team. He's an AMAZING scorer, one of the best in the world. We'd be **** without him. But he doesn't excel in anything but scoring. Kahwi, Lebron etc are elite players... Derozan is not in that tier.

To say the ONLY reason why Derozan was ranked so low because he plays for a team in Canada speaks to either your Canadian inferiority complex or your overrating of Derozan. It's one of the reasons, but not the only one.

Clutch? DeRozan is 13th in points at 3.4 PTS and is shooting 47.2% in clutch situations - which is better than his season average as a whole. The only players in the top 25 in clutch PPG that have a better FG% than him (and at least 1 FGA and 10 such games) are Thomas, McCollum, Walker and LeBron.

Notables:

Westbrook: 5.9 PTS, 43.0 FG%
Butler: 4.3 PTS, 44.0 FG%
Lillard: 4.3 PTS, 35.8 FG%
Curry: 4.0 PTS, 42.6 FG%
Cousins: 3.8 PTS, 40.8 FG%
Leonard: 3.8 PTS, 42.4 FG%
Harden: 3.8 PTS, 36.4 FG%
Davis: 3.7 PTS, 41.7 FG%
George: 3.6 PTS, 45.5 FG%
Wall: 3.4 PTS, 41.6 FG%
Irving: 3.4 PTS, 40.6 FG%

[MasaiLegs]

they ranked derozan 40 because he plays for Canada. It's that simple. If you think it's anything other than that, well you fell for it.

and YES it is only on realgm where people hate on a elite talent, i wouldn't be proud of it either.

Elite? Derozan's scoring is elite. But he is not an elite player. Again, I said his 40 ranking was wrong too... BUT he does have his flaws. Elite players, true max players are in small company... are your expectations of an elite player that low that defense doesn't count for anything? Court vision? Decision making? Clutch factor?

Don't get me wrong him and Lowry are the engines to this team. He's an AMAZING scorer, one of the best in the world. We'd be **** without him. But he doesn't excel in anything but scoring. Kahwi, Lebron etc are elite players... Derozan is not in that tier.

To say the ONLY reason why Derozan was ranked so low because he plays for a team in Canada speaks to either your Canadian inferiority complex or your overrating of Derozan. It's one of the reasons, but not the only one.

Clutch? DeRozan is 13th in points at 3.4 PTS and is shooting 47.2% in clutch situations - which is better than his season average as a whole. The only players in the top 25 in clutch PPG that have a better FG% than him (and at least 1 FGA and 10 such games) are Thomas, McCollum, Walker and LeBron.

Notables:

Westbrook: 5.9 PTS, 43.0 FG%
Butler: 4.3 PTS, 44.0 FG%
Lillard: 4.3 PTS, 35.8 FG%
Curry: 4.0 PTS, 42.6 FG%
Cousins: 3.8 PTS, 40.8 FG%
Leonard: 3.8 PTS, 42.4 FG%
Harden: 3.8 PTS, 36.4 FG%
Davis: 3.7 PTS, 41.7 FG%
George: 3.6 PTS, 45.5 FG%
Wall: 3.4 PTS, 41.6 FG%
Irving: 3.4 PTS, 40.6 FG%

Fair enough, I'll concede clutch factor even though I'd like to know the definition of 'clutch' for those stats. So are you saying Derozan is an elite player? Elite defense? Elite court vision? Elite decision maker? Are you saying he belongs in the same tier as Lebron or Kahwi?

[Concernedcad]

sure thing bud

Are you saying Demar has elite court vision? Decision making? Clutch factor? If so we have nothing more to discuss.

I thought that was clear from the "sure thing bud" DD haters always raise the bar whenever he passes it. That's just how it is.

Derozan is a elite player, i don't give a flying **** what you think.

After the Bulls game it was he took too many shots. Couldn't use that again so it's ball movement now. I suspect things will change once JV gets traded.

[MasaiLegs]

sure thing bud

Are you saying Demar has elite court vision? Decision making? Clutch factor? If so we have nothing more to discuss.

I thought that was clear from the "sure thing bud" DD haters always raise the bar whenever he passes it. That's just how it is.

Derozan is a elite player, i don't give a flying **** what you think.

Done.

[Ipsofact0]

Elite? Derozan's scoring is elite. But he is not an elite player. Again, I said his 40 ranking was wrong too... BUT he does have his flaws. Elite players, true max players are in small company... are your expectations of an elite player that low that defense doesn't count for anything? Court vision? Decision making? Clutch factor?

Don't get me wrong him and Lowry are the engines to this team. He's an AMAZING scorer, one of the best in the world. We'd be **** without him. But he doesn't excel in anything but scoring. Kahwi, Lebron etc are elite players... Derozan is not in that tier.

To say the ONLY reason why Derozan was ranked so low because he plays for a team in Canada speaks to either your Canadian inferiority complex or your overrating of Derozan. It's one of the reasons, but not the only one.

Clutch? DeRozan is 13th in points at 3.4 PTS and is shooting 47.2% in clutch situations - which is better than his season average as a whole. The only players in the top 25 in clutch PPG that have a better FG% than him (and at least 1 FGA and 10 such games) are Thomas, McCollum, Walker and LeBron.

Notables:

Westbrook: 5.9 PTS, 43.0 FG%
Butler: 4.3 PTS, 44.0 FG%
Lillard: 4.3 PTS, 35.8 FG%
Curry: 4.0 PTS, 42.6 FG%
Cousins: 3.8 PTS, 40.8 FG%
Leonard: 3.8 PTS, 42.4 FG%
Harden: 3.8 PTS, 36.4 FG%
Davis: 3.7 PTS, 41.7 FG%
George: 3.6 PTS, 45.5 FG%
Wall: 3.4 PTS, 41.6 FG%
Irving: 3.4 PTS, 40.6 FG%

Fair enough, I'll concede clutch factor even though I'd like to know the definition of 'clutch' for those stats. So are you saying Derozan is an elite player? Elite defense? Elite court vision? Elite decision maker? Are you saying he belongs in the same tier as Lebron or Kahwi?

Sweetheart NO ONE is on the same tier as Lebron first and foremost. Second you "conceding" clutchness so quickly means your arguments are shallow in the first place. Third can you please name the player that possess all these "elite talents" you speak about? Perfect defense, perfect offense, perfect floor general, perfect decision making LOL

plz..stop it

[Kurtz]

Fair enough, I'll concede clutch factor even though I'd like to know the definition of 'clutch' for those stats. So are you saying Derozan is an elite player? Elite defense? Elite court vision? Elite decision maker? Are you saying he belongs in the same tier as Lebron or Kahwi?

Your definition of "elite" may be out of line with what most folks think is elite.

No, he doesn't have Lebron's or Kawhi's all-around game...but you don't need to, to be considered elite. And you don't need to check all of those boxes either. Curry and Harden are MVP-type players, and the former barely plays any defense, and the latter plays no defense at all.

Derozan has become an elite player in this league. Is he mvp-quality? Surely not. Is he a Lebron/Leonard? Nope. But he's in the next, elite tier.