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It's pissing me off that people think I made this thread to bash Bargnani. I personally am a supporter. I like his game and the potential i still think he has. I made this thread because I found it odd that he scores the bulk of his points in the second half of games. That's what I meant by good/bad Bargs. Perhaps the title was a little misleading.
I think that we do need to establish him earlier in games because I actually see that increasing our offensive output. I have noticed that at times his shot has been off in the first half of games, but almost never in the latter half. Perhaps its because he should try and hit more shots that are in the post area (or closer to the basket) early in games to help him find his groove faster. This would put even more pressure on opposing defences and would allow Bosh to rest more. If Bargs can be a go to guy for 4 quarters, like Bosh can (not saying he can be as dominant as Bosh), than Triano could rest Bosh more in games reducing possible future fatigue. Also when we play against good teams, a strong front court combo with equal outputs in both halves could help us keep pace offensively.
As for the rebounding and defence, that is for another debate.
I think that we do need to establish him earlier in games because I actually see that increasing our offensive output. I have noticed that at times his shot has been off in the first half of games, but almost never in the latter half. Perhaps its because he should try and hit more shots that are in the post area (or closer to the basket) early in games to help him find his groove faster. This would put even more pressure on opposing defences and would allow Bosh to rest more. If Bargs can be a go to guy for 4 quarters, like Bosh can (not saying he can be as dominant as Bosh), than Triano could rest Bosh more in games reducing possible future fatigue. Also when we play against good teams, a strong front court combo with equal outputs in both halves could help us keep pace offensively.
As for the rebounding and defence, that is for another debate.
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When looking at rebounding, this game, it might be misplaced. Either he and the team played awful D, or Kaman and Novak and Davis, were super hot, probably a little from column a and little from column b, but for the majority of the first half that Andrea played, the Clips shot like 75%. There are going to be less rebounds when teams hit three quarters of their shots as opposed to a little over a third of them, especially when Andrea doesn't get many offensive boards. . If you ask me Jay panaced because Kaman was scoring on single coverage, and pulled Andrea. Well After that adjustment, the clips opened up their big lead, and the raps went into a offensive drought that lead to the big deficit.
Don't get me wrong, Amir earned his run tonight and CB was outstanding again, as he continues to lead by example and "be" the change we need to see from the team. But I think the issue was more Clips making shots in the first, and that could be defense, then it was a lot of missed rebounds, and second chance points given up. There were at least four occasions where it a was all red shirts, when the ball came of the rim and a teammate grabbed it. Would it really have helped our team if Bargs had gotten three of those? It would only make a difference to those who don't watch the game and just look at the box score. The big issue was Kaman making us pay for single coverage.
Kaman has been making a lot of team pay this year, I know cause he's on my fantasy team. If Andrea could shoot all game like he does when he's lighting it up, that would make him a pretty special player, wouldn't it. For all the talk about how bad he was, his shooting percentage was nearly as good as Kaman's, both well over 50%.
Don't get me wrong, Amir earned his run tonight and CB was outstanding again, as he continues to lead by example and "be" the change we need to see from the team. But I think the issue was more Clips making shots in the first, and that could be defense, then it was a lot of missed rebounds, and second chance points given up. There were at least four occasions where it a was all red shirts, when the ball came of the rim and a teammate grabbed it. Would it really have helped our team if Bargs had gotten three of those? It would only make a difference to those who don't watch the game and just look at the box score. The big issue was Kaman making us pay for single coverage.
Kaman has been making a lot of team pay this year, I know cause he's on my fantasy team. If Andrea could shoot all game like he does when he's lighting it up, that would make him a pretty special player, wouldn't it. For all the talk about how bad he was, his shooting percentage was nearly as good as Kaman's, both well over 50%.
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Local_NG_Idiot wrote:sl64 wrote:Like I said, the coach finds a way to get him the ball in different spots and holds him accountable for drifting through games and hanging out at the 3 point line. Why isn't Triano insisting that Bargs try posting up 3-4 times per game?
You do realize this team has the best offensive efficiency in the league right? You realize the coaching staff has implemented an offensive system with the current personel that can pretty much score at will right?
You do realize that Barg's role in that team offensive system is the 1st option when defenses shift to cover the players who are responsible for creating right? What is pretty obvious to some is that Bargs is not on a level yet to consistantly create his own offense. He gets turnover prone and he still gets a little out of control when the defense is focussed on him being the primary option responsible for creating.
He's averaging career highs in FGA, USG, and minutes.
Why mess with anything on the offensive when it's the BEST IN THE LEAGUE with him as the second option?
The defensive end is an entirely different argument.
But Bargs is still developing, and with developing players you have to constantly strike a balance between pushing the player to expand and refine his game, and overall team success. Is it really a good thing, in the long run, if the offense is elite when it breeds complacency in our younger players?
I disagree about the second point... I think Bargs is ready to take on a larger role, and the only thing holding him back is the lack of touches to go around. He is still a little wild at times, true, but I think he's gotta be allowed to work through that instead of basically being told "just hang out at the 3 point line and wait for open looks when Bosh draws the double team". It seems like a huge waste of his talents... that's a role for Matt Bonner or Vlad Radmanovic. Bargs can and should be asked to do more. I keep thinking back to that sweet up and under he showed against Lebron in the season opener, and wondering "why doesn't he do that more often?"
I know that the "things are going well on offence, don't stir the pot" sentiment runs high... but I can't help thinking that small tweaks can still be made... basically, I think we can be even better than we have been at that end, and we might need to be considering how our defence has looked at times.
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theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote: Don't get me wrong, Amir earned his run tonight and CB was outstanding again, as he continues to lead by example and "be" the change we need to see from the team. But I think the issue was more Clips making shots in the first, and that could be defense, then it was a lot of missed rebounds, and second chance points given up. There were at least four occasions where it a was all red shirts, when the ball came of the rim and a teammate grabbed it. Would it really have helped our team if Bargs had gotten three of those? It would only make a difference to those who don't watch the game and just look at the box score. The big issue was Kaman making us pay for single coverage.
Kaman has been making a lot of team pay this year, I know cause he's on my fantasy team. If Andrea could shoot all game like he does when he's lighting it up, that would make him a pretty special player, wouldn't it. For all the talk about how bad he was, his shooting percentage was nearly as good as Kaman's, both well over 50%.
When that makes a difference is when you have a Center who can be relied upon to grab those rebounds in traffic. Then you don't need to have the 4 red shirts in there which means the wings can pick and choose when to leak out on the break for easy buckets. One thing you rarely ever see from this team is fastbreak points off of rebounds.
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Local_NG_Idiot wrote:theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote: Don't get me wrong, Amir earned his run tonight and CB was outstanding again, as he continues to lead by example and "be" the change we need to see from the team. But I think the issue was more Clips making shots in the first, and that could be defense, then it was a lot of missed rebounds, and second chance points given up. There were at least four occasions where it a was all red shirts, when the ball came of the rim and a teammate grabbed it. Would it really have helped our team if Bargs had gotten three of those? It would only make a difference to those who don't watch the game and just look at the box score. The big issue was Kaman making us pay for single coverage.
Kaman has been making a lot of team pay this year, I know cause he's on my fantasy team. If Andrea could shoot all game like he does when he's lighting it up, that would make him a pretty special player, wouldn't it. For all the talk about how bad he was, his shooting percentage was nearly as good as Kaman's, both well over 50%.
When that makes a difference is when you have a Center who can be relied upon to grab those rebounds in traffic. Then you don't need to have the 4 red shirts in there which means the wings can pick and choose when to leak out on the break for easy buckets. One thing you rarely ever see from this team is fastbreak points off of rebounds.
I agree, now who on our team, other than Reggie Evans provides that? Andrea is improving, but has a ways to go on that end, despite that he's a pretty special player. If he continues to improve in his responsibilities at the center position, is there any better front court imaginable? Where are all these complete players, that Andrea and Jose are taking all their playing time unfairly?
If you're looking for a players to replace Jose, Andrea, heck even Bosh, who provide their strengths, either D and creativity, help defense and rebounding, and man defense and leadership, respectively, Who we trying to sign, Cousy, Sabonis and Russell?
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sl64 wrote:But Bargs is still developing, and with developing players you have to constantly strike a balance between pushing the player to expand and refine his game, and overall team success. Is it really a good thing, in the long run, if the offense is elite when it breeds complacency in our younger players?
I disagree about the second point... I think Bargs is ready to take on a larger role, and the only thing holding him back is the lack of touches to go around. He is still a little wild at times, true, but I think he's gotta be allowed to work through that instead of basically being told "just hang out at the 3 point line and wait for open looks when Bosh draws the double team". It seems like a huge waste of his talents... that's a role for Matt Bonner or Vlad Radmanovic. Bargs can and should be asked to do more.
I know that the "things are going well on offence, don't stir the pot" sentiment runs high... but I can't help thinking that small tweaks can still be made... basically, I think we can be even better than we have been at that end, and we might need to be considering how our defence has looked at times.
Sorry, the NBA just doesn't work like that. Teams who are in a winning mode and not a development of young talent mode (Aka tanking mode) only do the things that will help them win.
Do you see Orlando allowing Howard to work on his 12-15ft jumper during games?
Did you ever see NYK (when Camby was young) allow him to work on his post game or form on his jumper during games?
Do you see Chicago allowing Taj Gibson to work on his 3s?
Do you see Portland letting Oden do anything except rebound and block shots?
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Local_NG_Idiot wrote:sl64 wrote:But Bargs is still developing, and with developing players you have to constantly strike a balance between pushing the player to expand and refine his game, and overall team success. Is it really a good thing, in the long run, if the offense is elite when it breeds complacency in our younger players?
I disagree about the second point... I think Bargs is ready to take on a larger role, and the only thing holding him back is the lack of touches to go around. He is still a little wild at times, true, but I think he's gotta be allowed to work through that instead of basically being told "just hang out at the 3 point line and wait for open looks when Bosh draws the double team". It seems like a huge waste of his talents... that's a role for Matt Bonner or Vlad Radmanovic. Bargs can and should be asked to do more.
I know that the "things are going well on offence, don't stir the pot" sentiment runs high... but I can't help thinking that small tweaks can still be made... basically, I think we can be even better than we have been at that end, and we might need to be considering how our defence has looked at times.
Sorry, the NBA just doesn't work like that. Teams who are in a winning mode and not a development of young talent mode (Aka tanking mode) only do the things that will help them win.
Do you see Orlando allowing Howard to work on his 12-15ft jumper during games?
Did you ever see NYK (when Camby was young) allow him to work on his post game or form on his jumper during games?
Do you see Chicago allowing Taj Gibson to work on his 3s?
Do you see Portland letting Oden do anything except rebound and block shots?
Sorry, that's not how it works. Teams are rarely full-out rebuilding or full-out trying to compete. More often they're somewhere in between, trying to balance being competetive with developing their younger players... your view is a little too simplistic.
You don't see those things... what you don't understand is that that represents a failure on the part of their teams to strike a good balance. If teams were smart, you WOULD be seeing that, at least to some extent.
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Choker wrote:He could have had a much better first half if our team didn't totally ignore him the first quarter. Watching Bargnani's highlights he destroyed Kaman on two consecutive plays, and then his very next highlight is in the 3rd quarter. I don't understand Triano sometimes. Kaman was getting his own against Bargnani but Bargnani was getting his own against Kaman, so why exactly did we stop doing what we were doing and the Clippers continued doing what they were doing?
+ god damn 1
Basketball_Jones wrote:_MidNight_ wrote:I'd like to think our young guys grew a little with this win tonight
Nah they're the same height
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ItsDanger wrote:Better the 2nd half vs the 1st half dont you think?
Better the whole game than the 2nd half
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theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:I agree, now who on our team, other than Reggie Evans provides that? Andrea is improving, but has a ways to go on that end, despite that he's a pretty special player. If he continues to improve in his responsibilities at the center position, is there any better front court imaginable? Where are all these complete players, that Andrea and Jose are taking all their playing time unfairly?
I never said I want to get rid of Bargs for some other center. What he provides on the offensive end, I'm willing to be patient with the defensive development. I put this in a previous post in this thread stating that he has shown improvements in his game so there is no basis for the line of thinking that he can't improve in other areas.
If you're looking for a players to replace Jose, Andrea, heck even Bosh, who provide their strengths, either D and creativity, help defense and rebounding, and man defense and leadership, respectively, Who we trying to sign, Cousy, Sabonis and Russell?
Never said this and those shouldn't be the expectations of the Raps current players. But their strengths do not excuse their shortcomings and what they can improve upon to make this team much better than it currently is.
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sl64 wrote:Sorry, that's not how it works. Teams are rarely full-out rebuilding or full-out trying to compete. More often they're somewhere in between, trying to balance being competetive with developing their younger players... your view is a little too simplistic.
You don't see those things... what you don't understand is that that represents a failure on the part of their teams to strike a good balance. If teams were smart, you WOULD be seeing that, at least to some extent.
My fault, all these coaches over all of these years who "don't play rookies", and who protect their young players exposure to limit their mistakes have it all wrong and are dumb.
You're absolutely right, teams who are contending for championships like Orlando should allow Howard to use 6 or 7 possessions a game to work on his mid-range jumper. It would definitely help them 4-5 years from now when Howard has the confidence to knock that shot down during games.
Who cares if it loses them a couple of games, hey it's only homecourt advantage in the playoffs and a chance for a return trip to the finals. Man, my bad, Van Gundy is a complete moron for not looking 3 to 4 years down the road.
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Korr wrote:This.
The stupidity of some posters amaze me sometimes. Kobe didn't score any points in the 2nd half last night. OP why don't you go to the the Lakers board and start a thread about how inconsistent he is?
well..Kobe's overrated and his game depends on his shot
Not sure why people are still complaining about offense. Bargnani shooting three's should be coming off the play of others..or even just from screens/pick and pops. Then he has his driving and post ups. Whether he gets more involved in the offense or not doesn't matter as much until we start struggling at offense.
What Bargs needs to be concerned about is based on everything else he does on the court. I think his help D has improved a little (still needs to improve though) and his man to man D is decent. I thought he guarded Kaman the best, even when Kaman was scoring in the first half.
Rebounding wise, Bargs doesn't track down balls well and he doesn't win most of his battles if there is one. He's ok at boxing out, but I wouldn't say he's great at it. It's an area he definitely needs to improve on.
He needs to learn to be aggressive on every single defensive possession (without fouling). On offense, he should be the 3rd-4th option..creating for himself/others through face-ups and post-ups. Triano doesn't define roles properly for players, which I think is a problem (like when you see Wright trying to create plays for multiple possessions in a row).
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Local_NG_Idiot wrote:You do realize this team has the best offensive efficiency in the league right? You realize the coaching staff has implemented an offensive system with the current personel that can pretty much score at will right?
I enjoy reading your posts and got mad respect you, but what? Just because the team has the best offensive efficiency in the league, doesn't mean that we can make some small changes to make our offense even better and the offense can be much better than what it is right now.
Sure, Bargnani might not be ready to create his own offense on a regular basis, but I'd like to see Triano allow Bargnani to handle the offense a bit more often. Triano has got to let Bargnani more involved in the PnR action oppose to telling him to pop out every time and let him play in the post more with that running hook of his which is pretty much money.
Bargnani doesn't necessarily need to score when he gets the ball, he can create for others as he's a very capable passer and he can set up some nice plays for his teammates that I've seen a couple of times when Triano allowed him to create.
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Undefeated wrote:I enjoy reading your posts and got mad respect you, but what? Just because the team has the best offensive efficiency in the league, doesn't mean that we can make some small changes to make our offense even better and the offense can be much better than what it is right now.
Sure, Bargnani might not be ready to create his own offense on a regular basis, but I'd like to see Triano allow Bargnani to handle the offense a bit more often. Triano has got to let Bargnani more involved in the PnR action oppose to telling him to pop out every time and let him play in the post more with that running hook of his which is pretty much money.
Bargnani doesn't necessarily need to score when he gets the ball, he can create for others as he's a very capable passer and he can set up some nice plays for his teammates that I've seen a couple of times when Triano allowed him to create.
Sure he definitely should be posting up depending on matchups, he has, and that has been part of the offensive system this year. I absolutely agree that he has added that sweeping hook from the left block and has used it effectively when teams have tried to play him small like they used to in previous seasons.
This is probably the biggest improvement in his game from this year to past years, is that he isn't allowing SFs and the smaller quicker PFs to guard him. He has the confidence to bring them into the post and finish, and his teamates have recognized this ability in him and pass him the ball when he establishes position. Thing is, teams are recognising this early and leaving bigger bodies on him, where he is much more effective and efficient pulling them out to the 3pt line. There's nothing wrong with that at all and it completely plays to his strengths.
My point is, during games when teams are in win mode (like the Raps are this season), you don't put your players in a position where they are playing to their weaknesses.
ei: Yes Bosh can shoot 3s at a decent clip, but do you want him doing it in an attempt to win games. Same goes for Bargs, yes his post game against bigs is improving, but do you want him working down there against say Cs like Perkins in an attempt to win games?
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Undefeated wrote:Local_NG_Idiot wrote:You do realize this team has the best offensive efficiency in the league right? You realize the coaching staff has implemented an offensive system with the current personel that can pretty much score at will right?
I enjoy reading your posts and got mad respect you, but what? Just because the team has the best offensive efficiency in the league, doesn't mean that we can make some small changes to make our offense even better and the offense can be much better than what it is right now.
Sure, Bargnani might not be ready to create his own offense on a regular basis, but I'd like to see Triano allow Bargnani to handle the offense a bit more often. Triano has got to let Bargnani more involved in the PnR action oppose to telling him to pop out every time and let him play in the post more with that running hook of his which is pretty much money.
Bargnani doesn't necessarily need to score when he gets the ball, he can create for others as he's a very capable passer and he can set up some nice plays for his teammates that I've seen a couple of times when Triano allowed him to create.
The thing is Bargs is not good enough to create his own shot consistently. People talk about his first two drives against Kaman, but they forget the other plays where he was isolated, when he launched a jumper which wasn't close and turned the ball over against Craig Smith. He is his best when he gets his points in the flow of the offence.
And I disagree, when you have the best offence in the shot clock era, you do not make any subtle changes. Why fix something that isn't broken?
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Not sure why we have to bash someone making less than 7m, and play like a 10m guy.
- His lack of rebound is a problem, but he often went for the block shot, so he is out of position.
- Most bigs in the league rely on guards to create for them, so I don't see the problem he cannot create his own shot, but he can create or post up from time to time.
- He has been playing well on man to man D. However, he needs to understand how to rotate, and get back to his man.
- He has problem with quicker forwards, or forwards who can shoot the ball. Maybe he is a little slow, and play like Rasho's style, but I think as a C, this is decent.
- He is shooting well at clutch, nothing to complain.
- He needs to get involved, set off ball pick, more moment with the guards, and etc. He cannot do it all by himself.
- When Bosh has the ball, everyone is static, but he does go to get some rebounds.
Anyway, I don't think Bargs is the problem. He values over what he pays (7m atm).
I think Jose and Jack need to improve on their game, as of right now, they are over paid.
And wait until Reggie comes back, he might do some picks for Bargs, and have more scoring opportunity. And we will see if Reggie can get more rebounds than Bosh in less minutes.
- His lack of rebound is a problem, but he often went for the block shot, so he is out of position.
- Most bigs in the league rely on guards to create for them, so I don't see the problem he cannot create his own shot, but he can create or post up from time to time.
- He has been playing well on man to man D. However, he needs to understand how to rotate, and get back to his man.
- He has problem with quicker forwards, or forwards who can shoot the ball. Maybe he is a little slow, and play like Rasho's style, but I think as a C, this is decent.
- He is shooting well at clutch, nothing to complain.
- He needs to get involved, set off ball pick, more moment with the guards, and etc. He cannot do it all by himself.
- When Bosh has the ball, everyone is static, but he does go to get some rebounds.
Anyway, I don't think Bargs is the problem. He values over what he pays (7m atm).
I think Jose and Jack need to improve on their game, as of right now, they are over paid.
And wait until Reggie comes back, he might do some picks for Bargs, and have more scoring opportunity. And we will see if Reggie can get more rebounds than Bosh in less minutes.
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Indeed wrote:Not sure why we have to bash someone making less than 7m, and play like a 10m guy.
- His lack of rebound is a problem, but he often went for the block shot, so he is out of position.
- Most bigs in the league rely on guards to create for them, so I don't see the problem he cannot create his own shot, but he can create or post up from time to time.
- He has been playing well on man to man D. However, he needs to understand how to rotate, and get back to his man.
- He has problem with quicker forwards, or forwards who can shoot the ball. Maybe he is a little slow, and play like Rasho's style, but I think as a C, this is decent.
- He is shooting well at clutch, nothing to complain.
- He needs to get involved, set off ball pick, more moment with the guards, and etc. He cannot do it all by himself.
- When Bosh has the ball, everyone is static, but he does go to get some rebounds.
Anyway, I don't think Bargs is the problem. He values over what he pays (7m atm).
I think Jose and Jack need to improve on their game, as of right now, they are over paid.
And wait until Reggie comes back, he might do some picks for Bargs, and have more scoring opportunity. And we will see if Reggie can get more rebounds than Bosh in less minutes.
Really?
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If Jose Calderon watched Bargnani as closely as some of you do Bargnani would be avg 50 points per game.
The guy is shooting over 50% for the year, 7-12 last night while scoring and defending when we needed it most What more do you want? Are we now at the stage where the haters are goiong to try and convince people that 50% is not good enough and Bargnani should be shooting 70-80-90% from the floor to live up to his #1 draft selection?
Do you think players are always consistent quarter from quarter, always going to shoot 50-60% per quarter? The best players in this league have quarters where they go 0-2, 0-3, 0-4 or 2-6, 1-5, 2, 7 for example. The best players in this league have bad halfs and good halfs, good halfs and great halfs. No player is perfect. The best players almost always score when needed though and Bargnani has not disappointed.
Try watching someone else other than Bargnani for a change, your just searching for somthin to nitpik at. When you spend each and every game focusing entirely on one player your going to see things you do not like, doesn't matter if its Bosh, bargnani, king james, kobe they all have glarring flaws if you watch them long enough.
The guy is shooting over 50% for the year, 7-12 last night while scoring and defending when we needed it most What more do you want? Are we now at the stage where the haters are goiong to try and convince people that 50% is not good enough and Bargnani should be shooting 70-80-90% from the floor to live up to his #1 draft selection?
Do you think players are always consistent quarter from quarter, always going to shoot 50-60% per quarter? The best players in this league have quarters where they go 0-2, 0-3, 0-4 or 2-6, 1-5, 2, 7 for example. The best players in this league have bad halfs and good halfs, good halfs and great halfs. No player is perfect. The best players almost always score when needed though and Bargnani has not disappointed.
Try watching someone else other than Bargnani for a change, your just searching for somthin to nitpik at. When you spend each and every game focusing entirely on one player your going to see things you do not like, doesn't matter if its Bosh, bargnani, king james, kobe they all have glarring flaws if you watch them long enough.
Re: Good Bargs, Bad Bargs
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I think Bargs rebounds would be higher if he got more of those cheap ones. Watch how many of these guys jump in front of teammates to get a cheap rebound. Bargs never does it.
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KG1585 wrote:Indeed wrote:Not sure why we have to bash someone making less than 7m, and play like a 10m guy.
- His lack of rebound is a problem, but he often went for the block shot, so he is out of position.
- Most bigs in the league rely on guards to create for them, so I don't see the problem he cannot create his own shot, but he can create or post up from time to time.
- He has been playing well on man to man D. However, he needs to understand how to rotate, and get back to his man.
- He has problem with quicker forwards, or forwards who can shoot the ball. Maybe he is a little slow, and play like Rasho's style, but I think as a C, this is decent.
- He is shooting well at clutch, nothing to complain.
- He needs to get involved, set off ball pick, more moment with the guards, and etc. He cannot do it all by himself.
- When Bosh has the ball, everyone is static, but he does go to get some rebounds.
Anyway, I don't think Bargs is the problem. He values over what he pays (7m atm).
I think Jose and Jack need to improve on their game, as of right now, they are over paid.
And wait until Reggie comes back, he might do some picks for Bargs, and have more scoring opportunity. And we will see if Reggie can get more rebounds than Bosh in less minutes.
Really?
Yes, Jose plays better the last 2 games, where he attacks the basket.
But
- He has yet to dribble to the basket, and create any 3s for the others.
- He has yet to throw an alley hoop to DD, while Hedo did.
- He has yet to get back his shooting form.