Triano: Bargnani has to do things other than score

[Rhettmatic]

These comments are sort of cryptic, unless it's just the way they're presented. It seems that he's sending a bit of a message to Andrea, but then he's right that the whole team is not defending well at all.

http://my.thescore.com/courtsurfing/arc ... -2009.aspx

- The play of Andrea Bargnani in the last game: "He's fine. He's got to do other things than score. The one thing I've said about Andrea from day one --everybody wanted to know why he excelled the second part of last year-- I could keep him on the floor longer because he defended and rebounded. Right now, I think we're being very selfish defensively. We're all worried about our guy and we're not playing team defence. When you don't play team defence, I'm not going to keep you in the game. And that's not just Andrea."

[sanity]

Wait... he defended and rebounded last year?

Oh well, at least Triano said something.

[Death Knight]

BS Triano! He has yet to bench guys in his regular rotation for not playing defense. Jose Calderon *cough cough*

Triano needs to stop talking and actually start to do it.

[J Dilla]

BS Triano! He has yet to bench guys in his regular rotation for not playing defense. Jose Calderon *cough cough*

Triano needs to stop talking and actually start to do it.

I don't think he has the balls to do it.

[Harry Palmer]

Sam tried to do it.

How'd that go over, anyone remember?

[rapz**7**]

Not sure why he would call out Bargnani. If everyone in the starting line-up was at least a decent defender then Bargs wouldn't have to play help defense. His man to man defense is fine.

Triano needs to stop pulling names out of a hat and figure out how to get more out of his players on the defensive end by subbing them out or changing defensive schemes.

[Darkseid]

Triano's not to blame for his crappy defenders.

[sanity]

Triano's just playing the game. Management are as in tune with all the problems fans are seeing as the players themselves in the lockeroom going about their business. A public calling out of Jose might not have sit well with Bosh or vice versa. Personally, I'd like Triano to address the comments Wright made, maybe we'll hear about it on the fan590 next time he shows up. Its not just defense that's the problem. There's very little comradeship on this team... and little to no passion lately.

[Spartan13]

Raptors: Have to do things other then state the obvious in practice

[DG88]

At the end triano did day that it wasn't just Bargs, which means that he's looking a the team itself

[3ptchucker]

Triano is a joke.

[D-Wins-RingsIMO]

Not sure why he would call out Bargnani. If everyone in the starting line-up was at least a decent defender then Bargs wouldn't have to play help defense. His man to man defense is fine.

Triano needs to stop pulling names out of a hat and figure out how to get more out of his players on the defensive end by subbing them out or changing defensive schemes.

lol gmafb this is the NBA. pretty much every center is expected to be a help defender first and a post defender second.

that's the whole point of the "any points my center scores from anything other than garbage buckets is gravy, because he's in there to rebound and protect the rim" logic in fielding a lineup that some teams use. (not all teams)

[srg1985]

Triano has a pretty good point. If your shots aren't fallin get into lockdown defense mode. Don't keep jacking up jumpers. Help defense/ team defense is what I perfer because most offensive players are too good for one on one D.

These players gotta know your not gonna block shots or get steals. Just force contested unwanted shots.

[KG1585]

Would the Bucks consider Bargs for Ilyasova trade?

[supersub15]

I crunched some numbers from last year to see where the blame lies.

First, I isolated the games where Bargs was starting center (after the O'Neal trade), and our DRTG was a decent 107.7. I'd kill to have that back. So, I thought to myself maybe it's Iavaroni's system, so I checked the games he coached last year in Memphis, before being fired, and his team's DRTG was a very decent 106.3. So, again, it's not the system.

Then, I checked the DRTG with Bargnani actually on the floor vs. Bargnani off the floor:
On the floor: 113.1
Off the floor: 106.2

Move Parker and Marion from the wings, and replace them with a rookie and Turk, and you got our current DRTG.

Now, the blame should not go entirely to Bargnani, because Calderon also has bad numbers (not as pronounced):
On the floor: 112.1
Off the floor: 108.2

So, there.

[Kakapato]

Mhm... Bargs Man-To-Man D is average/solid.
But he must always rotate to give help his teammates (perimeter defenders) and he seems to not be good at this.

Question: What's happen when the perimeter D don't need SO MUCH help?
Answer: Less problems for the inside defense = less fouls = more aggressiveness.

This mean that our PG/SG/SF's' D is more important then our Big's D.

[whoknows]

I crunched some numbers from last year to see where the blame lies.

First, I isolated the games where Bargs was starting center (after the O'Neal trade), and our DRTG was a decent 107.7. I'd kill to have that back. So, I thought to myself maybe it's Iavaroni's system, so I checked the games he coached last year in Memphis, before being fired, and his team's DRTG was a very decent 106.3. So, again, it's not the system.

Then, I checked the DRTG with Bargnani actually on the floor vs. Bargnani off the floor:
On the floor: 113.1
Off the floor: 106.2

Move Parker and Marion from the wings, and replace them with a rookie and Turk, and you got our current DRTG.

Now, the blame should not go entirely to Bargnani, because Calderon also has bad numbers (not as pronounced):
On the floor: 112.1
Off the floor: 108.2

So, there.

great analysis!
Can you please do the same for CB4 - last year (after JO) & this year
also, what is our present DRTG?

Thank you!

[Crazy-Canuck]

How does Calderon continue to escape blame?

[Indeed]

Triano treats Bargs as a star player.

You only point to the guy if he is a star, and he is willing to take the words to improve.
Same as how Smitch treats Bosh, shouts at him, and ask him to improve as a role model to the team.

I hope this sparks Bargnani, as these high expectation only to those who can get to the next level. You won't see Triano do that to Jose, because he has no potential to improve on the defensive end.

[bena2005]

bargs freaking sucks so far

starts well and rests as usual