Jack should be starting

vexen · Post #1 » by **vexen** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 3:33 am

We should have crushed the Wolves tonight if our 3 ball was on but we still won with our D and getting to the line with Jack and Bosh leading the way.

Guess what?! Jack went to the line 11 times and shot 11-12 he also had 7 RBS, 8 AST, 2 STL's and 17 Points. When was the last time Jose got to the line 11 times and had 8 rbs? I have been praying for Jack to start all year and look what he did with his first start.

I know it's VS the wolves BUT when he started for Indy he also ripped it up so it's no fluke, Jack is a starter in this league. I think Jose is a great backup and should complement Jack very well with 10-12 mins a night as his backup.

WesWesley · Post #2 » by **WesWesley** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 3:41 am

calm down. It is one game.

TCHOKE · Post #3 » by **TCHOKE** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 3:41 am

the 8 million per year back up :lol:

dan520 · Post #4 » by **dan520** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 3:43 am

i wanted say hell no, its just one game...but, ya jack is aggressive, driving the ball, got to the hole, to the line, he got his free throws, good on d ball...but he doesnt run an offense in a elite way...these r all qualities of a great backup pg

Post #5 » by **DG88** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 3:43 am

Here we go again :roll:

vexen · Post #6 » by **vexen** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 3:45 am

WesWesley wrote:calm down. It is one game.

You really think I’m basing this off the one game Jack played tonight!? No, I have never been a fan of defensive inept PG's like Jose. Jack reminds me of a Derek Fisher type PG, which is all I want from my PG. IMHO I just think Jack is a better overall player then Jose.

vexen · Post #7 » by **vexen** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 3:47 am

dan520 wrote:i wanted say hell no, its just one game...but, ya jack is aggressive, driving the ball, got to the hole, to the line, he got his free throws, good on d ball...but he doesnt run an offense in a elite way...these r all qualities of a great backup pg

We don't need him to, really how hard is it to dump the ball into the post to Bosh or give the ball to Turk for pick and rolls? Last time I checked Derek Fisher was not like that either yet the Lakers are in first place and he is starting.

vexen · Post #8 » by **vexen** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 3:52 am

If fact IMHO this team will not truly turn the corner till this is our starting lineup.

C-Johnson
PF-Bosh
SF-Turk
SG-DD
PG-Jack

6-AB
7-Belly
8-Evans

dan520 · Post #9 » by **dan520** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 3:52 am

vexen wrote:
dan520 wrote:i wanted say hell no, its just one game...but, ya jack is aggressive, driving the ball, got to the hole, to the line, he got his free throws, good on d ball...but he doesnt run an offense in a elite way...these r all qualities of a great backup pg

We don't need him to, really how hard is it to dump the ball into the post to Bosh or give the ball to Turk for pick and rolls? Last time I checked Derek Fisher was not like that either yet the Lakers are in first place and he is starting.

lol really, thats all u need to do to be a starting pg eh

kingkao · Post #10 » by **kingkao** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 3:55 am

I felt that Bosh didn't get enough touches in this game. Did Jack compensate for that, I guess so, but would of liked to see Bosh with more touches.

vexen · Post #11 » by **vexen** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 3:55 am

dan520 wrote:
vexen wrote:
dan520 wrote:i wanted say hell no, its just one game...but, ya jack is aggressive, driving the ball, got to the hole, to the line, he got his free throws, good on d ball...but he doesnt run an offense in a elite way...these r all qualities of a great backup pg

We don't need him to, really how hard is it to dump the ball into the post to Bosh or give the ball to Turk for pick and rolls? Last time I checked Derek Fisher was not like that either yet the Lakers are in first place and he is starting.

lol really, thats all u need to do to be a starting pg eh

Yup, play good D, hit open shots, drive into the lane to create space and find the open man for easy buckets. Just make plays and sometimes dive for lose balls ala jack..

Throwback24 · Post #12 » by **Throwback24** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 3:55 am

Calm down, bro

vexen · Post #13 » by **vexen** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 3:56 am

kingkao wrote:I felt that Bosh didn't get enough touches in this game. Did Jack compensate for that, I guess so, but would of liked to see Bosh with more touches.

Bosh had 18 shots that's more then enough plus they might have been saving him for the back to back. if we even hit 1/3 of our 3's this game is a blow out.

We play the bucks tomorrow, honestly would you rather see Jose guard Jennings or Jack?

Post #14 » by **Undefeated** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 4:00 am

Turnovers will increase with Jack starting which isn't the best suggestion because when this team turned over the ball a lot from the games two weeks ago, things started to get stagnant on the offensive end and everyone was scrambling on the defensive end making things a bit hectic. However, Jack did a decent job of protecting the ball today unlike most other game days.

Jose is starting to give the ball handling duties to Turkoglu a bit more and he's starting to pick up to play off the ball more which I like and will benefit the starting line-up. On most nights, Jose shooting should be helpful with the offense spread out. Jack had his chance to score today because no one was clicking on the offensive end an I doubt he would score that much or get to the line when everyone is a scoring at a high rate.

Indeed · Post #15 » by **Indeed** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 4:01 am

vexen wrote:If fact IMHO this team will not truly turn the corner till this is our starting lineup.

C-Johnson
PF-Bosh
SF-Turk
SG-DD
PG-Jack

6-AB
7-Belly
8-Evans

The bigs are too small, no size up front.
Still today our best +/- line up is
Bargnani
Bosh
Turk
Belinelli
Jack

Edit: Maybe due to lack of offense from the Wolves, really need to see how well Jack plays against an average team.

Post #16 » by **Rhettmatic** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 4:03 am

Indeed wrote:
vexen wrote:If fact IMHO this team will not truly turn the corner till this is our starting lineup.

C-Johnson
PF-Bosh
SF-Turk
SG-DD
PG-Jack

6-AB
7-Belly
8-Evans

The bigs are too small, no size up front.
Still today our best +/- line up is
Bargnani
Bosh
Turk
Belinelli
Jack

I might have misunderstood your post... but Belinelli was -9 today while DeRozan was +13, so that was not our best lineup.

Post #17 » by **5DOM** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 4:04 am

Relax. We just played our worst game against one of the worst teams in the league.

Tha Cynic · Post #18 » by **Tha Cynic** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 4:06 am

There is no way Jose comes off the bench, regardless of who's better suited to start.

Lets stop this now.

deeps6x · Post #19 » by **deeps6x** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 4:07 am

I would like to point out that Jose has been driving to the basket much more the past few games. If that is because he is getting worried about Jack taking his starting job - because Jack makes it look so easy - then, YES, Jack should start another game or two and really put some fear into Jose.

We need them to be pushing each other to get better and better. I think we made a great deal getting Jack and are paying Jose about the going rate for a starting PG.

Realistically, this team needs to be starting Jose and closing games with Jack. I'm tried of our huge leads evaporating in the 4th game after game when Jose checks back in. D UP MAN! D UP!

mr clutch- · Post #20 » by **mr clutch-** » Wed Dec 9, 2009 4:09 am

This only goes to show that we need to trade Jose and his non-existent D