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One thing you guys should know : He's not a SF. not even for a pinch.
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ColdBlooded wrote:One thing you guys should know : He's not a SF. not even for a pinch.
And he's NOT a stretch 4, either. That's the descriptor being bandied about that bugs me. His 14% three point percentage in college speaks a heckuva lot louder than one workout when he shot well.
Lyles is a power forward in the traditional sense.
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Winglish wrote:ColdBlooded wrote:One thing you guys should know : He's not a SF. not even for a pinch.
And he's NOT a stretch 4, either. That's the descriptor being bandied about that bugs me. His 14% three point percentage in college speaks a heckuva lot louder than one workout when he shot well.
Lyles is a power forward in the traditional sense.
Yeah, not a 3 point shooter now and i doubt he turns into one in the future. His ball comes out really flat.
Its gonna take a little mechanical changes + a TON of reps for a chance it happens. My eye test tells me the NBA 3-line will always be out of his range.
He's not a non-shooter, since he shows good accuracy + comfort at the midrange area.
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ColdBlooded wrote:Winglish wrote:ColdBlooded wrote:One thing you guys should know : He's not a SF. not even for a pinch.
And he's NOT a stretch 4, either. That's the descriptor being bandied about that bugs me. His 14% three point percentage in college speaks a heckuva lot louder than one workout when he shot well.
Lyles is a power forward in the traditional sense.
Yeah, not a 3 point shooter now and i doubt he turns into one in the future. His ball comes out really flat.
Its gonna take a little mechanical changes + a TON of reps for a chance it happens. My eye test tells me the NBA 3-line will always be out of his range.
He's not a non-shooter, since he shows good accuracy + comfort at the midrange area.
I think his mechanics are good, from the film I've seen. Maybe a bit slow on the release, but nothing major that reps can't fix. But I'd have to agree that the stretch 4 tag is grossly misplaced.
On the plus side, adding a 3pt shot to his arsenal is waaay easier than developing handles/passing especially for his size. So he has some good base skills Quin and the coaching staff can start with. If Trevor Booker can improve in a year, I can't see why TL can't. And he's just 19.
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From what I've seen he has the same problem Alec has - tends to seek the dribble before pulling up instead of just catch and shooting...
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Not only that, I heard that he's a scientologist.
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zimpy27 wrote: Lyles will play PF for 19 mins. Lyles will get the 7th or 8th most minutes for the team.
Well, so much for that.
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The idea of Trey Lyles is great, but he's two years away from being two years away. In the meantime we'll just have to watch him get rolled over inside and see more mid range pullups that never go in. Half the guys after 10 don't become significant rotation guys. I'm glass half empty on this one.
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Paper Face wrote:Not only that, I heard that he's a scientologist.
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Cappy_Smurf wrote:zimpy27 wrote: Lyles will play PF for 19 mins. Lyles will get the 7th or 8th most minutes for the team.
Well, so much for that.
Yeah, he's definitely not getting minutes like that. Hayward is playing the 4 more.
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At least we finally answered the question of whether or not he fills a need: benchwarmer.
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It's striking how different the coaching staff is treating Lyles(barely playing) as opposed to Dante last year(virtually endless leash to make mistakes). I think the Jazz are in win-now mode already.
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stitches wrote:It's striking how different the coaching staff is treating Lyles(barely playing) as opposed to Dante last year(virtually endless leash to make mistakes). I think the Jazz are in win-now mode already.
The situations are completely different. Lyles is stuck behind Favors and Booker while Exum was competing with Burke and we had a ton of injuries in the backcourt.
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KqWIN wrote:The idea of Trey Lyles is great, but he's two years away from being two years away. In the meantime we'll just have to watch him get rolled over inside and see more mid range pullups that never go in. Half the guys after 10 don't become significant rotation guys. I'm glass half empty on this one.
Lyles is definitely not 2yrs away from being 2yrs away. By next season I expect him to be firmly in the big rotation and contributing significantly.
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stitches wrote:It's striking how different the coaching staff is treating Lyles(barely playing) as opposed to Dante last year(virtually endless leash to make mistakes). I think the Jazz are in win-now mode already.
That's my thought. I think DL and Jazz management probably thought they had two years left to gather assets and build the team before the start of last year and then things turned around quicker than anticipated, and now the fans have expectations so they feel pressure to get into playoffs.
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Don't really understand what Quin's and the coaching staffs plan is for Lyles.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsUD2b6IM8A[/youtube]
You look at the way he's playing in the above video and compare to the role he is playing since he joined the senior members of the team, and the two styles are completely different. Now admittedly it was given he would take a backwards step once he finished up with the summer league hit outs, but even so surely if we're going to use him, we should use him to his strengths as much as possible? Otherwise we may as well as play Whithey if all we're asking him to do is rebound, defend and set screens.
Anyhow hopefully we see Lyles start putting the ball on the floor and making his own plays soon enough, if not send him to the D league and give him the keys to the team and have him run the offense.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsUD2b6IM8A[/youtube]
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Anyhow hopefully we see Lyles start putting the ball on the floor and making his own plays soon enough, if not send him to the D league and give him the keys to the team and have him run the offense.
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Just catching up on this thread. It seems to me that Snyder can't make up his mind as far as winning now opposed to player development as it pertains to Trey Lyles. Either that, or to me at least, it seems that management has overestimated what Lyles can contribute as a backup 4/5. I was excited with what Whithey brought to the table in preseason in terms of backup rim protection, pick and rolls, rebounds etc., and he's all but disappeared to the inactive list. Lyles is primarily getting those minutes now with Pleiss behind him and I guess I just don't see the production between the two of them. Not saying Lyles doesn't have talent or potential but he's definitely a project at this stage IMO.
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Meh. I'll worry about Lyles next year when another team gives Booker a raise.
He needs more strength if he is going to play in this league.
He needs more strength if he is going to play in this league.
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