Official Utah Jazz 2015-2016 Pre-Season Thread

Post #181 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:32 am

Cotton is off to a good start.

Hikari · Post #182 » by **Hikari** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:36 am

In the first three preseason games the Jazz have been very different than last season. They always started off behind last year.

stitches · Post #183 » by **stitches** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:14 am

Our back up bigs (mainly Pleiss) got absolutely destroyed by Len. I'm loving what I'm seeing from the starters though.

KDBG · Post #184 » by **KDBG** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:16 am

stitches wrote:Our back up bigs (mainly Pleiss) got absolutely destroyed by Len. I'm loving what I'm seeing from the starters though.

Was just about to say that our lack of depth is really noticeable. As much as I love Booker, our front office needs to see if Booker's contract, plus Burke, plus some of our plethora of picks can get us some depth. Specifically at the wing/guard spots. A couple of sharpshooters would help. One of the big reasons I say this is that I'm convinced the Jazz rebuild is done. Time to try to start surrounding our core with legit veteran talent.

KqWIN · Post #185 » by **KqWIN** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:01 am

Cotton and Johnson look like they're trying to shoot their way onto this team. Not a good look for either guy.

KqWIN · Post #186 » by **KqWIN** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:12 am

The Jazz have really mailed it in this second half. No effort, but plenty of lazy plays.

sipclip · Post #187 » by **sipclip** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:14 am

KDBG wrote:
stitches wrote:Our back up bigs (mainly Pleiss) got absolutely destroyed by Len. I'm loving what I'm seeing from the starters though.

Was just about to say that our lack of depth is really noticeable. As much as I love Booker, our front office needs to see if Booker's contract, plus Burke, plus some of our plethora of picks can get us some depth. Specifically at the wing/guard spots. A couple of sharpshooters would help. One of the big reasons I say this is that I'm convinced the Jazz rebuild is done. Time to try to start surrounding our core with legit veteran talent.

No thanks on that plan. With Hayward, Burks, Hood and Ingles around we have no need to add another wing. Also the rebuild is definitely not done. We are still one year away from being done so this year is once again about letting this core gel together and gaining experience.

JazzMatt13 · Post #188 » by **JazzMatt13** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:03 am

What happened in 3rd quarter!? I didn't get to watch but we won first half. I also expected Neto to be a great starting point guard, you a leader to win.

Day 1 experiment so I wouldn't pick him apart yet.

My plan:

-Build Bench, Exum is out, focus on development of bench and others
-Lyles, Pliess, Hood, Neto and Millsap, they need to be worked more than Burke and Burks
-Neto should start, and Burke and Burks should run the bench. I don't feel Burks and Hayward can really maximize their game at same time
-Make sure we keep focus on defense. Protecting ball, making smart moves and limiting mistakes alone gives you like a 50% more change to win a game.

KDBG · Post #189 » by **KDBG** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:01 pm

sipclip wrote:
KDBG wrote:
stitches wrote:Our back up bigs (mainly Pleiss) got absolutely destroyed by Len. I'm loving what I'm seeing from the starters though.

Was just about to say that our lack of depth is really noticeable. As much as I love Booker, our front office needs to see if Booker's contract, plus Burke, plus some of our plethora of picks can get us some depth. Specifically at the wing/guard spots. A couple of sharpshooters would help. One of the big reasons I say this is that I'm convinced the Jazz rebuild is done. Time to try to start surrounding our core with legit veteran talent.

No thanks on that plan. With Hayward, Burks, Hood and Ingles around we have no need to add another wing. Also the rebuild is definitely not done. We are still one year away from being done so this year is once again about letting this core gel together and gaining experience.

The rebuild is done. Hayward, Favors, AND Gobert are all realistic candidates for the all-star team this year. To me, rebuilding means you don't expect to make the playoffs. Are you saying that you want to tank this season to get another high draft pick, in a week ass draft? Are you saying Booker and Ingles are part of our core? Sorry, but LOL at that thought of Booker and Ingles being a part of our core. Hayward and Favors specifically are in their prime. I'm not saying we're championship contenders yet, but we sure as hell are not rebuilding anymore.

KqWIN · Post #190 » by **KqWIN** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:51 pm

stitches wrote:Our back up bigs (mainly Pleiss) got absolutely destroyed by Len. I'm loving what I'm seeing from the starters though.

To be fair, Alex Len is on the high side of backup bigs, but I think we all expected some poor defensive outings when we signed Pleiss. It'll be interesting to see if they turn to Withey or just run Favors as the backup 5 and give some more minutes to Booker or Lyles.

JazzMatt13 · Post #191 » by **JazzMatt13** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:51 pm

KDBG wrote:
sipclip wrote:
KDBG wrote:Was just about to say that our lack of depth is really noticeable. As much as I love Booker, our front office needs to see if Booker's contract, plus Burke, plus some of our plethora of picks can get us some depth. Specifically at the wing/guard spots. A couple of sharpshooters would help. One of the big reasons I say this is that I'm convinced the Jazz rebuild is done. Time to try to start surrounding our core with legit veteran talent.

No thanks on that plan. With Hayward, Burks, Hood and Ingles around we have no need to add another wing. Also the rebuild is definitely not done. We are still one year away from being done so this year is once again about letting this core gel together and gaining experience.

The rebuild is done. Hayward, Favors, AND Gobert are all realistic candidates for the all-star team this year. To me, rebuilding means you don't expect to make the playoffs. Are you saying that you want to tank this season to get another high draft pick, in a week ass draft? Are you saying Booker and Ingles are part of our core? Sorry, but LOL at that thought of Booker and Ingles being a part of our core. Hayward and Favors specifically are in their prime. I'm not saying we're championship contenders yet, but we sure as hell are not rebuilding anymore.

My thing, without Exum that #1 defense post-all-star last season isn't here. Exum's defense impacted entire perimeter and Gobert covered interior. We don't have 1 point guard with his size, and closest one to defense is Neto, but he has a different type of defense.

I personally think let our vets just do what they do, but focus on filling out the bench. Utah Jazz of Malone and Stockton's era, they alone took us to playoffs, but we spent all those years trying to find the right fits.

We can get any big name in the game, but it doesn't matter, we need guys who fit the Hayward-Favors-Gobert System. I think Neto and Hood is the best solution, then Exum takes starter position back, and Neto resorts to 2nd string.

For this year, I would put Burke and Burks on bench with Pliess, and fill out the middle, see what Lyles can do as a S4, if not put him at the 3 with Booker at 4 and Pliess at 5.

gutobr · Post #192 » by **gutobr** » Sun Oct 11, 2015 6:19 pm

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA-plGtdzIc[/youtube]

:roll:

stitches · Post #193 » by **stitches** » Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:54 am

BTW is it just me or does Hayward's shot have more arc than before?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MsKe1uIH1w[/youtube]

Daddy 801 · Post #194 » by **Daddy 801** » Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:07 am

It did seem like he had more arc than previously. Good catch.

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stitches · Post #195 » by **stitches** » Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:53 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Tjonessltrib/status/653325135747895296[/tweet]

JazzMatt13 · Post #196 » by **JazzMatt13** » Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:50 am

gutobr wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA-plGtdzIc[/youtube]

Anyone who says that doesn't look Stockton-esque, then you need to hit replay.

KqWIN · Post #197 » by **KqWIN** » Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:09 am

Trey Burke returns to the starting lineup tonight. I hope that Quin tries starting Eli, Ingles, or Hood one of these preseason games. I'm all aboard the three wing hype train.

KqWIN · Post #198 » by **KqWIN** » Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:54 am

Derrick Favors cannot guard a stretch 4 to save his life.

KqWIN · Post #199 » by **KqWIN** » Tue Oct 13, 2015 4:26 am

That was a horrible shooting performance from both teams. If either team made an average amount of good looks they would have blown the other out. Beyond shooting, I don't anyone really played that poorly besides Favors. Tonight was as bad as I've seen Favors play.

We spent the majority of the game without a PG or PF, sometimes both. It looked fine, shots just didn't fall. Alec playing the PG is our strongest lineup and I expect that Alec will spend about half his minutes there during the season.

Daddy 801 · Post #200 » by **Daddy 801** » Tue Oct 13, 2015 4:57 am

KqWIN wrote:That was a horrible shooting performance from both teams. If either team made an average amount of good looks they would have blown the other out. Beyond shooting, I don't anyone really played that poorly besides Favors. Tonight was as bad as I've seen Favors play.

We spent the majority of the game without a PG or PF, sometimes both. It looked fine, shots just didn't fall. Alec playing the PG is our strongest lineup and I expect that Alec will spend about half his minutes there during the season.

Favs was bad. Hayward wasn't very good. Burks was great. And I believe besides Burks, Millsap played the best game. He didn't force anything and only took one bad shot at the end of the buzzer that Hayward should have taken.

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