OKC Thunder Offseason 2015

[spearsy23]

Really happy for Qualls after reading about him. looks like he left early because he has a 2 year old son. Now he gets to rehab on company time and draw an NBA salary. If he didn't get this opportunity it probably would've been tough to rehab, work and keep focusing on basketball, may have even ended his career as a player.

[bondom34]

HW (Sixers mod) showed me this, good stuff:

http://www.libertyballers.com/2015/6/8/8742079/2015-nba-draft-arkansas-michael-qualls-sixers

DX had him at 40 on their big board too, not bad. Hope they can make a move to keep him.

[bondom34]

Also, Qualls may take a roster spot, unless the league gives a hardship, the IR still counts.

[spearsy23]

Also, Qualls may take a roster spot, unless the league gives a hardship, the IR still counts.

Presto must have something lined up then.

iPad changed Presti to Presto, I think it's worth leaving. We giving everybody in the organization nicknames now

[bondom34]

Also, Qualls may take a roster spot, unless the league gives a hardship, the IR still counts.

Presto must have something lined up then.

iPad changed Presti to Presto, I think it's worth leaving. We giving everybody in the organization nicknames now

Also from the PC board, "Kawhi" is "KwH".

I'll give him a shot considering it looks like PJ's time is up.

[tleikheen]

He isn't going to get more touches with them back. He also isn't going to play 31 minutes per night, our big man rotation is too deep for that. Hell, if Donovan likes advanced stats as much as it's claimed, Kanter probably won't be starting.

So OKC signs Kanter for ...what for 4 yrs /60 million and doesn't start him

A couple things ,Kanter closed out the season in his last 19 games started averaging 32 minutes....20.6PPG/11.8 RPG @57%,and shooting 81% FT
With Durant and Ibaka back ,OKC will probably be in the top 2/3 in team scoring and Kanter will still get alot of touches being OKC 's only post player ....;Westbrook will be the one who won't shoot 35 times a game with Durant back
Kanter averaged those 20 PPG on 14 SPG

[spearsy23]

He isn't going to get more touches with them back. He also isn't going to play 31 minutes per night, our big man rotation is too deep for that. Hell, if Donovan likes advanced stats as much as it's claimed, Kanter probably won't be starting.

So OKC signs Kanter for ...what for 4 yrs /60 million and doesn't start him

A couple things ,Kanter closed out the season in his last 19 games started averaging 32 minutes....20.6PPG/11.8 RPG @57%,and shooting 81% FT
With Durant and Ibaka back ,OKC will probably be in the top 2/3 in team scoring and Kanter will still get alot of touches being OKC 's only post player ....;Westbrook will be the one who won't shoot 35 times a game with Durant back
Kanter averaged those 20 PPG on 14 SPG

Harden was offered the equivalent of 4/60 and wasn't going to start. Ibaka and KD were injured for all 19 of those games, and Collison for half of them. Donovan runs a pick and X offense, Kanter won't be having the ball dumped into the post, he'll be picking and rolling while Serge runs the pick and pop game. The entire offense will be centered around getting Russ and KD shots and then using them to open up things for Ibaka and Kanter. If Kanter wasn't the worst defender in the NBA he'd play 30 minutes per night, but as has been pointed out to you repeatedly, he's a net negative and Steven Adams is a better player.

[spearsy23]

Also, Qualls may take a roster spot, unless the league gives a hardship, the IR still counts.

Presto must have something lined up then.

iPad changed Presti to Presto, I think it's worth leaving. We giving everybody in the organization nicknames now

Also from the PC board, "Kawhi" is "KwH".

I'll give him a shot considering it looks like PJ's time is up.

Unrelated: what did Davis' Npi-RAPM numbers look like last season? His PI weren't real great, which is kinda funny with the way the PC board is drooling.

Edit: Also, I commented this in the reddit Ridnour appreciation thread but: of all our current players, Ridnour has scored the 5th most points in franchise history.

[tleikheen]

d Steven Adams is a better player

and your beginning to be the only one that thinks so

Kanter, who is just 23 years old, is a liability defensively, but you can't deny his offensive talent -- he averaged 18.7 points and 11 rebounds in 26 games with OKC last season. And offense gets paid in the NBA.

The Thunder will pitch Kanter that he fits in OKC, and that he can play his best basketball with them, that he can be an integral piece in winning a championship with Westbrook and Durant.

http://espn.go.com/blog/okc-thunder/post/_/id/570/enes-kanter-at-the-top-of-thunders-list

Kanter is a significant upgrade at the center position for the Thunder compared to Steven Adams, the only other center listed on the roster. With a healthy group, the Thunder could roll out a lineup next year of Westbrook, Dion Waiters, Durant, Serge Ibaka and Kanter, which would certainly give the Houston Rockets a run for the division title next season.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2511115-enes-kanter-latest-contract-news-rumors-speculation-on-thunder-cs-future

the NBA is team defense ,you're continuous rant on his individual defense will be just noise if OKC comes out the gate strong

[spearsy23]

d Steven Adams is a better player

and your beginning to be the only one that thinks so

Kanter, who is just 23 years old, is a liability defensively, but you can't deny his offensive talent -- he averaged 18.7 points and 11 rebounds in 26 games with OKC last season. And offense gets paid in the NBA.

The Thunder will pitch Kanter that he fits in OKC, and that he can play his best basketball with them, that he can be an integral piece in winning a championship with Westbrook and Durant.

http://espn.go.com/blog/okc-thunder/post/_/id/570/enes-kanter-at-the-top-of-thunders-list

Kanter is a significant upgrade at the center position for the Thunder compared to Steven Adams, the only other center listed on the roster. With a healthy group, the Thunder could roll out a lineup next year of Westbrook, Dion Waiters, Durant, Serge Ibaka and Kanter, which would certainly give the Houston Rockets a run for the division title next season.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2511115-enes-kanter-latest-contract-news-rumors-speculation-on-thunder-cs-future

the NBA is team defense ,you're continuous rant on his individual defense will be just noise if OKC comes out the gate strong

OKC’s on/off defensive splits: With Kanter on the floor, the Thunder gave up 113.0 points per 100 poss’s. With him off (in the games he was on the team), they gave up only 105.1 per 100.

Utah’s on/off D splits with Kanter this season: 112.1 per 100 when Kanter was on the floor, 103.5 per 100 when he was off (in the games he was on the team).

That’s two teams, one in Utah and one in Oklahoma, with almost identical large improvements precisely when Kanter was NOT in the game vs. when he was.

One more stat: Kanter registered a -3.88 DRPM this season, which ranked him 469th out of 474 total players.

Oh, and that mean point I made about Griffin only collecting 35 blocks in 67 games? Kanter only had 29 in 75 games split between Utah and OKC. And he’s 6-11.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2015/06/29/2015-defense/

1. Never before have defensive deficiencies been so exposed. Kanter might have been the worst defensive center in the NBA last season. Utah’s defense went from bad to great when the Jazz traded Kanter and inserted Rudy Gobert into the lineup. The Thunder’s defense went from good to bad when Kanter started playing, though Serge Ibaka missing the final 17 games of the season certainly didn’t help.

Most NBA franchises now know exactly what they’re getting. They’re not scouting or researching off the back of bubble-gum cards. Some wayward organization might glance at Kanter’s offensive numbers and believe he’s Moses Malone, but most decision-makers know that Kanter has a long way to go before his defense becomes merely acceptable.

http://newsok.com/commentary-okc-thunder-should-be-able-to-keep-enes-kanter-but-at-a-hefty-price/article/5430875

Poll: Who should start at Center?
Steven Adams- 66%
Enes Kanter- 34%

http://www.welcometoloudcity.com/2015/3/3/8144329/five-reasons-steven-adams-should-start-over-enes-kanter


Maybe you riding him so hard is why he can't move his feet.

[Zagor]

Presti should offer him 14 millions on 4 years contract.
If someone offer him more, then let him go Presti. Wtf he did to ask for max contract?
There will be many big guys on market and I don't think Kanter will be the first on the list of potential suitors.
Aldridge,DeAndre Jordan,Monroe,Gasol, Robin Lopez....that is a lot of guys.

Offer Kanter 14 millions and then wait for someone to gamble.

[spearsy23]

Presti should offer him 14 millions on 4 years contract.
If someone offer him more, then let him go Presti. Wtf he did to ask for max contract?
There will be many big guys on market and I don't think Kanter will be the first on the list of potential suitors.
Aldridge,DeAndre Jordan,Monroe,Gasol, Robin Lopez....that is a lot of guys.

Offer Kanter 14 millions and then wait for someone to gamble.

That's 1 million dollars less than the max
Why would you be willing to pay 14 but not 15?

[bondom34]

Presto must have something lined up then.

iPad changed Presti to Presto, I think it's worth leaving. We giving everybody in the organization nicknames now

Also from the PC board, "Kawhi" is "KwH".

I'll give him a shot considering it looks like PJ's time is up.

Unrelated: what did Davis' Npi-RAPM numbers look like last season? His PI weren't real great, which is kinda funny with the way the PC board is drooling.

Edit: Also, I commented this in the reddit Ridnour appreciation thread but: of all our current players, Ridnour has scored the 5th most points in franchise history.

Oh, he looks amazing in it. Here's the thread that was updated through the season:


But it jumps around like mad, guys go from like +6 to +9 in a month, Morrow looks like the GOAT bench guy, Z Bo and Lillard are very good on D, etc. Its pretty bad IMO.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Presti should offer him 14 millions on 4 years contract.
If someone offer him more, then let him go Presti. Wtf he did to ask for max contract?
There will be many big guys on market and I don't think Kanter will be the first on the list of potential suitors.
Aldridge,DeAndre Jordan,Monroe,Gasol, Robin Lopez....that is a lot of guys.

Offer Kanter 14 millions and then wait for someone to gamble.

I don't see why you open that high? I offer him 4/$40M and to get it done before he hits RFA I'd go to 4/$45M, but after that I let him test the market. However, I also tell him that if he doesn't sign an offer sheet from another team the most he is getting after testing RFA is 4/$36M. I think people are expecting him to get much bigger offers than he will get. Even with the cap about to jump teams have limited finances right now. I don't see any team out there offering more than 4/$50M.

There are a lot of teams that just won't spend their cap money on a 2nd tier FA right now like the Lakers and Knicks because they want to get big 3 type of guys and then fill in with vet minimum players. The 76ers and Magic have a ton of money, but they aren't interested in Kanter. He doesn't fit with the Spurs. Of the teams that could offer Kanter $12M/yr+ who actually would? Looking at the teams that could offer Kanter $12M/yr+ I'm not seeing many that should consider it. The only team I can see even looking at Kanter are the Bucks, because they are just dumb enough to tie up their money moving forward without getting good enough to get out of the lottery. Outside of that he just isn't worth throwing $12M to for anyone other than OKC. All teams under the cap can find a better use of the money given their needs and situations. If the Thunder were $12M under the cap they could probably do better with it than Kanter. They are not under the cap and can only re-sign Kanter or lose him so they have to give him some money. You really don't want him taking the QO, although even that wouldn't be terrible with the cap jump next year they would probably have some money to play with even with KD getting his new max.

[Zagor]

That's 1 million dollars less than the max
Why would you be willing to pay 14 but not 15?

LoL, I didn't realize that 15.7 is max rate he can get in first year.

I thought that max for him is something like 18 millions.

I agree with @kizz .
Maybe Bucks and Dallas(if they miss Jordan) could offer him something. But Bucks then would have Middleton and Kanter with big contracts. But they need to think about Giannis,Henson and MCW later.
Maybe they offer 12 millions. Presti would match that.

I really hope he can get better at defense. He should work whole summer only at defense.

[Andre Roberstan]

Hey, can someone check this for me?

If my math is right and the cap goes up by $2million like has been surmised, the numbers I'm looking at say that we could receive a player in a sign and trade, or would be very close if we could shave just a tiny bit of salary.

After the Lamb deal we have $75,226,357 on contract. Add Kanter, Singler, Payne & Huestis QOs and holds to the apron number and we have $87,434,452 that counts towards the apron (without Quall's deal, which is probably a minimum deal, so around $500K).

If I project numbers out with the $2mil discrepancy between the original projected cap and the new projection, we have $83,600,000 for the projected new tax and $87,600,000 for the projected new apron. I'm guessing with Qualls's contract that our payroll is now $87,959,545 (used RealGM's number for 0YOS minimum salary).

That means that receiving a sign-and-trade that allowed us to take in $359,545 less of salary than we sent out (before a Kanter or Singler deal gets inked or any offer sheets are tendered) would be allowable under the CBA.

Which means that Danny Green or RoLo or some of the other mid-tier FAs might be in play.

That's contingent on several variables.

1) The cap actually goes up by the amount I'm thinking.
2) Kanter and Singler don't get offer sheets.
3) OR we renounce Kanter.

[gohogs14]

Really happy for Qualls after reading about him. looks like he left early because he has a 2 year old son. Now he gets to rehab on company time and draw an NBA salary. If he didn't get this opportunity it probably would've been tough to rehab, work and keep focusing on basketball, may have even ended his career as a player.

Qualls was really fun to watch. Might have been the best dunker in college basketball. He actually had a better postseason than Portis did. He might have to stick around Europe for a while but his athleticism could definitely get him on an NBA roster.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r2mvLkNLiI[/youtube]

[Kizz Fastfists]

That's contingent on several variables.

1) The cap actually goes up by the amount I'm thinking.
2) Kanter and Singler don't get offer sheets.
3) OR we renounce Kanter.

They already extended the QO to Kanter so they can't renounce him. Once the QO is offered that number counts against the tax until another deal is signed. Doesn't that make this moot? Even if they are under the apron by a $500K who are they going to get in a S&T for Waiters, Novak and PJ3? A player would really have to be forcing his way onto the team AND his old team would have to accept that Waiters, Novak and PJ3 in return for that player was better than nothing. There is no way that I would take back those players in a S&T. I'd rather the player walk to another team and leave me with more cap space for quality players.

[bondom34]

Hey, can someone check this for me?

If my math is right and the cap goes up by $2million like has been surmised, the numbers I'm looking at say that we could receive a player in a sign and trade, or would be very close if we could shave just a tiny bit of salary.

After the Lamb deal we have $75,226,357 on contract. Add Kanter, Singler, Payne & Huestis QOs and holds to the apron number and we have $87,434,452 that counts towards the apron (without Quall's deal, which is probably a minimum deal, so around $500K).

If I project numbers out with the $2mil discrepancy between the original projected cap and the new projection, we have $83,600,000 for the projected new tax and $87,600,000 for the projected new apron. I'm guessing with Qualls's contract that our payroll is now $87,959,545 (used RealGM's number for 0YOS minimum salary).

That means that receiving a sign-and-trade that allowed us to take in $359,545 less of salary than we sent out (before a Kanter or Singler deal gets inked or any offer sheets are tendered) would be allowable under the CBA.

Which means that Danny Green or RoLo or some of the other mid-tier FAs might be in play.

That's contingent on several variables.

1) The cap actually goes up by the amount I'm thinking.
2) Kanter and Singler don't get offer sheets.
3) OR we renounce Kanter.

Green just resigned, but RoLo still is available.

[Andre Roberstan]

Ah, forgot about the QO.

Not saying it's plausible, smart or something Presti would do. But it's at least possible if the cap numbers are right.