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Re: Around The NBA 2014/2015 

Post#101 » by antistrat » Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:33 pm

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guille4s wrote:No he is not. He is awful and he doesn't care much about that side of the court


Well that just isn't true.

DRPM has him as an above average defender, and so does opponent PER allowed. And if he was so horrible, how in the world did the Timberwolves finish 12th in Defensive Rating when Love and Pek are both poor rim protectors? They were making up for it somehow.


Because you had two capable big men and 18 teams took the year off.

How about this, how about instead of thinking that is a good stat to point to. How about we stop and realize that its a perfect description of their poor defense.
They are 12th... slightly better than 50%, at the very bottom of the teams that did not tank for the draft and there are two big men who are both statistically 20+/10+ guys.
Yah, that's not appalling is it?
Because it definitely shows something positive when you have these two big men and are ranked right next to a team that often played a SG at the 4.

This says two things about the TWolves big men.
It means that neither are very good at dealing with their man.
And the help defense blows.
Help defense can be fixed by a different system and man to man is something the player has to become better at.


Love was fantastic defending in isolation and defending post ups. That wasn't an issue. The only play type he had a problem defending was spot up shooters - probably because he's always thinking about rebounds and would rather do that than run out to contest a shot. But according to Synergy on every other play type he was either above average, good or great.

So there's no way around it... Love was good defensively last season and that's one reason why the Wolves had a top 12 defense.
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Re: Around The NBA 2014/2015 

Post#102 » by Bravenewworld » Sat Sep 20, 2014 6:18 pm

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Well that just isn't true.

DRPM has him as an above average defender, and so does opponent PER allowed. And if he was so horrible, how in the world did the Timberwolves finish 12th in Defensive Rating when Love and Pek are both poor rim protectors? They were making up for it somehow.


Because you had two capable big men and 18 teams took the year off.

How about this, how about instead of thinking that is a good stat to point to. How about we stop and realize that its a perfect description of their poor defense.
They are 12th... slightly better than 50%, at the very bottom of the teams that did not tank for the draft and there are two big men who are both statistically 20+/10+ guys.
Yah, that's not appalling is it?
Because it definitely shows something positive when you have these two big men and are ranked right next to a team that often played a SG at the 4.

This says two things about the TWolves big men.
It means that neither are very good at dealing with their man.
And the help defense blows.
Help defense can be fixed by a different system and man to man is something the player has to become better at.


Love was fantastic defending in isolation and defending post ups. That wasn't an issue. The only play type he had a problem defending was spot up shooters - probably because he's always thinking about rebounds and would rather do that than run out to contest a shot. But according to Synergy on every other play type he was either above average, good or great.

So there's no way around it... Love was good defensively last season and that's one reason why the Wolves had a top 12 defense.


Yes, but a top 12 defense is a ranking system of basically 12 NOT TANKING teams is not impressive in the least. And its a consistent thing with this team. The more teams we have in the league that are not tanking, the further in defense that twolves team dropped.

But im not sure which KLove you were watching because i saw a man who cannot play a lick of defense.
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Re: Around The NBA 2014/2015 

Post#103 » by antistrat » Sat Sep 20, 2014 10:50 pm

Bravenewworld wrote:Yes, but a top 12 defense is a ranking system of basically 12 NOT TANKING teams is not impressive in the least. And its a consistent thing with this team. The more teams we have in the league that are not tanking, the further in defense that twolves team dropped.

But im not sure which KLove you were watching because i saw a man who cannot play a lick of defense.


A top 12 defense is a top 12 defense. They were just one allowed basket a game away from being a top 7 defense.

You didn't see a man who cannot play a lick of defense - you saw a good defender but either didn't know what you were looking at or didn't want to see what was there for personal reasons. But Synergy has no bias. Love was, and is, a good defender.
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Re: Around The NBA 2014/2015 

Post#104 » by Bravenewworld » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:36 pm

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Bravenewworld wrote:Yes, but a top 12 defense is a ranking system of basically 12 NOT TANKING teams is not impressive in the least. And its a consistent thing with this team. The more teams we have in the league that are not tanking, the further in defense that twolves team dropped.

But im not sure which KLove you were watching because i saw a man who cannot play a lick of defense.


A top 12 defense is a top 12 defense. They were just one allowed basket a game away from being a top 7 defense.

You didn't see a man who cannot play a lick of defense - you saw a good defender but either didn't know what you were looking at or didn't want to see what was there for personal reasons. But Synergy has no bias. Love was, and is, a good defender.


Sure, keep telling yourself whatever you want to make yourself feel better.
Hope the Cavs love having one of the worst defenses in the league.
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Re: Around The NBA 2014/2015 

Post#105 » by antistrat » Tue Sep 23, 2014 4:23 am

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Bravenewworld wrote:Yes, but a top 12 defense is a ranking system of basically 12 NOT TANKING teams is not impressive in the least. And its a consistent thing with this team. The more teams we have in the league that are not tanking, the further in defense that twolves team dropped.

But im not sure which KLove you were watching because i saw a man who cannot play a lick of defense.


A top 12 defense is a top 12 defense. They were just one allowed basket a game away from being a top 7 defense.

You didn't see a man who cannot play a lick of defense - you saw a good defender but either didn't know what you were looking at or didn't want to see what was there for personal reasons. But Synergy has no bias. Love was, and is, a good defender.


Sure, keep telling yourself whatever you want to make yourself feel better.
Hope the Cavs love having one of the worst defenses in the league.


They didn't have one of the worst defenses in the league last year and they just added 1) one of the best defenders in the league 2) a highly regarded head coach who values defense 3) another guy in Marion who can defend perimeter guys almost as well as LeBron 4) upgraded defense at the PF position with Kevin Love and 5) the ability to get ALL the rebounds with LeBron, Love and Varejao in the front court, further strengthening their defense. They should be able to easily move up from 17th in defensive efficiency into to the top 10.
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Re: Around The NBA 2014/2015 

Post#106 » by Bravenewworld » Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:50 pm

antistrat wrote:They didn't have one of the worst defenses in the league last year and they just added 1) one of the best defenders in the league 2) a highly regarded head coach who values defense 3) another guy in Marion who can defend perimeter guys almost as well as LeBron 4) upgraded defense at the PF position with Kevin Love and 5) the ability to get ALL the rebounds with LeBron, Love and Varejao in the front court, further strengthening their defense. They should be able to easily move up from 17th in defensive efficiency into to the top 10.



News flash, its 2014.

Marion is done. Best case he can come in for 8 minutes and maybe, maybe, maybe play some solid help defense.

Varejao has had his issues, not the Varejao of LBJ Cav days.

The team needs more full time defenders then simply Lebron, this is why they should have kept Wiggins, to take care of the guards while Lebron can play more switch with tweedle-no defense and not have to expend himself on defense every single game.

Mike Brown is an awful coach. How this man keeps getting work is beyond me. Does he have a decent defensive system? Sure. Does it require a team of at least good defenders? Yup. Do they have a team of at least good defenders? Nope.

Upgrade at the 4, downgrade at the 2 by creating a defensive hole.

If they were so dead set on getting Love then they should have waited until the TWolves had no choice but to move him. Or, you know....... go after a good defensive power forward since this team is not in need of point production at all. This way they could have retained Wiggins defensive abilities, Lebron would not be exhausted on defense every single game and they could solve their big man defensive issues. I know you want to think that some how Varejao, Love and Marion will some how be able to revert to 2006 and become great defenders again, but that's about as likely to happen as the Magic winning the title next year. In fact there is a greater chance both Varejao and Marion will be injured for 50%+ of the season.
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Re: Around The NBA 2014/2015 

Post#107 » by bondom34 » Tue Sep 23, 2014 6:26 pm

Brown isn't the coach anymore. And really, no need to trash talk a team that's likely to be the best in the league right now.
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Re: Around The NBA 2014/2015 

Post#108 » by antistrat » Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:59 pm

Bravenewworld wrote:
antistrat wrote:They didn't have one of the worst defenses in the league last year and they just added 1) one of the best defenders in the league 2) a highly regarded head coach who values defense 3) another guy in Marion who can defend perimeter guys almost as well as LeBron 4) upgraded defense at the PF position with Kevin Love and 5) the ability to get ALL the rebounds with LeBron, Love and Varejao in the front court, further strengthening their defense. They should be able to easily move up from 17th in defensive efficiency into to the top 10.



News flash, its 2014.

Marion is done.


Haha. Ask Tony Parker and Gregg Popovich if Marion is done. His defense on Parker is one reason that series went 7 games. It got to the point where Pop had to find some way to get Marion away from Parker.

And now Cleveland has 2 guys who can defend an All-Star PG like that - most teams don't even have 1.
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Re: Around The NBA 2014/2015 

Post#109 » by Bravenewworld » Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:19 am

antistrat wrote:
Bravenewworld wrote:
antistrat wrote:They didn't have one of the worst defenses in the league last year and they just added 1) one of the best defenders in the league 2) a highly regarded head coach who values defense 3) another guy in Marion who can defend perimeter guys almost as well as LeBron 4) upgraded defense at the PF position with Kevin Love and 5) the ability to get ALL the rebounds with LeBron, Love and Varejao in the front court, further strengthening their defense. They should be able to easily move up from 17th in defensive efficiency into to the top 10.



News flash, its 2014.

Marion is done.


Haha. Ask Tony Parker and Gregg Popovich if Marion is done. His defense on Parker is one reason that series went 7 games. It got to the point where Pop had to find some way to get Marion away from Parker.

And now Cleveland has 2 guys who can defend an All-Star PG like that - most teams don't even have 1.


You've got to be kidding me.
Yea, those 2 games where Marion's help defense lead to TP getting less than 19 (which im sure had more to do with TP then Marion).
Who are the two guys who can guard the all star point guards like that? Marion is not one of them, sorry, holding an all star PG to under 19 for 2 of 7 games is not impressive at all and who? Lebron? Oh ya, he sure has a knack for shutting stars down doesn't he?
Lebron does not shut anyone down, he is regarded as a great defender because he can effective guard every single position. Effectively guarding and shutting someone down, are not the same thing. Besides, the idea is to make defense easier for Lebron, not harder.
And yes, most contending teams do generally have two players who can defend the guard position effectively. I dont' care what "most" of the league has, we are not talking about this team in terms of "most", we are talking about them as contenders or near contenders.
Which again, is why they are not going to be. At least not this year. Maybe next season or the year after, but Irving has growing to do, Love still has yet to prove he cant **** the bed under pressure, their offense needs a proper schematic for it to be most effective (which wont happen with Brown) and the defense still needs more man to man defenders..... sorry, no one considers Marion anything more then a part time piece anymore, and again, we are talking about starting players right now.


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Re: Around The NBA 2014/2015 

Post#110 » by Bravenewworld » Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:46 am

So i found someone suggesting this trade and thought it was brilliant.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nzk4jsm

David Lee to Nets for Karasev and KG.

While this does not help us at all, in fact i think it does the opposite. This would still be a great trade for the Warriors to make. Having KG healthy and ready come playoff time, and coming off your bench as a 20 minute split 4/5......... wow.
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Post#111 » by Kizz Fastfists » Thu Dec 18, 2014 9:22 am

I don't see why the $12M coming off the books would be a good thing. They would be stuck with no way to improve the team through FA except the MLE as it wouldn't create any real cap room. Maybe KG is a slight upgrade this year over David Lee, but not enough and I'm not sure he would fit better with that team. Even if you think it makes the Warriors a little bit better this year it definitely does not make them better next year. If I'm the Warriors I ride out Lee and Bogut and hope that by some miracle they are healthy for the playoffs this season or next.
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Post#112 » by Bravenewworld » Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:34 pm

Kizz Fastfists wrote:I don't see why the $12M coming off the books would be a good thing. They would be stuck with no way to improve the team through FA except the MLE as it wouldn't create any real cap room. Maybe KG is a slight upgrade this year over David Lee, but not enough and I'm not sure he would fit better with that team. Even if you think it makes the Warriors a little bit better this year it definitely does not make them better next year. If I'm the Warriors I ride out Lee and Bogut and hope that by some miracle they are healthy for the playoffs this season or next.


Which would be a major advantage to us since that has about a 25% chance of happening. But for the Warriors its not a smart thing to do.

Its an advantage this post season and neutral next season. There is always that possibility that they can resign KG but either way we just end up seeing the team we do now...... which is potentially a 65 win team...the addition of Lee getting 20+ minutes could actually end up having a negative effect on that.

Either way its a great trade, KG gives them something Lee does not, they have proven to be an amazing team on the path to a franchise setting record without either KG or Lee and an added defensive player would have less of an impact on this then an added offensive player.
At this point most analysts and even fans think that Lee will hurt them more then help.
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Re: Around The NBA 2014/2015 

Post#113 » by Space Dracula » Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:25 am

The Warriors are better on defense than offense so I dunno why they'd trade Lee for KG. Garnett has been horrible offensively the last two years -- and is he that much more likely to be healthy come playoff time than David Lee?

Agree with Kizz on this. Warriors should ride it out. Adding Lee back into the fold and having him take Ezeli's minutes could get their offense to where it needs to be in which case they are super-scary with Bogut healthy.

I don't see how the trade is neutral for GSW next season. If they keep Lee they can trade him in the offseason for something else of value. If they trade him now for Garnett, they have a $12mm hole next summer that they can only partially fill with the MLE.
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Post#114 » by HeartSouloma » Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:33 am

The west is STACKED right now. With Rondo in the mix it's going to be tough. Dallas still needs to find their defensive identities.
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Post#115 » by Bravenewworld » Wed Jan 7, 2015 3:16 am

How about them Pistons? And uhh.. Mr. Brandon Jennings? How well has that neutral slate started to work out with Stan Van Gundy?

5 wins in a row since they ditched Smith. Potentially a 6th tonight.
The offense is coming together, shooting is improving for everyone, they are spreading the floor and playing defense.... Its the Detroit team we expected to see.
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Post#116 » by spearsy23 » Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:19 am

Lebron was -27 tonight and Tony Snell was +29. Snell for MVP!
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#117 » by spearsy23 » Sun Mar 1, 2015 1:44 am

Reggie is such a cancer this season he is even fracturing the Detroit fan base :lol: he isn't even playing horribly tonight and a few of them are ready to give up on him.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#118 » by bondom34 » Sun Mar 1, 2015 1:56 am

spearsy23 wrote:Reggie is such a cancer this season he is even fracturing the Detroit fan base :lol: he isn't even playing horribly tonight and a few of them are ready to give up on him.

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Post#119 » by spearsy23 » Sun Mar 1, 2015 1:57 am

On the flip side Dinwiddie looks good. I think their future pg may be right in front of them. Probably not, but he could at least be effective playing for SVG.
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Post#120 » by KD35Brah » Sun Mar 1, 2015 2:22 am

Dinwiddie is a much better player than Jackson.

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