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The Aftermath/Offseason Part 2

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The Aftermath/Offseason Part 2 

Post#1 » by SD2042 » Mon May 1, 2017 3:11 pm

The Memphis Grizzlies finished the 2016-17 season with 43 wins and 39 losses. The season was filled with injuries, issues of consistency, a new coach and staff who did as well as necessary with the tools at their disposal. They struggled their way into the playoff picture for the seventh year and fourth time against their big brother San Antonio Spurs. The season ended with the Spurs winning the series 4-2. The Grizzlies will stay home for the second consecutive year after being ousted in the first round.

They will hit the offseason with many questions that need to be addressed.

Will this season mark the end of the Grit-N-Grind era?

Of the four agents: JaMychal Green(RFA), Zach Randolph(UFA), Tony Allen(UFA), and Vince Carter(UFA)
who will be officially brought back? If at all?

Will Marc Gasol's inconsistencies in the playoffs ends his run as a Grizzly?

With no draft picks in this upcoming draft, will the Grizzlies find a way to obtain a pick by the 2017 NBA Draft Night?

Will the front office ever get it right in terms of managing the salary to retain and sign some free agents for the sake of the future?

The enigma known as Chandler Parsons: How do you expect a 94 million contract to stay healthy when he has a history of injuries?



My Perspective:

The Grit-N-Grind Era has been a great ride for the Grizzlies and the city of Memphis. It put the team on the map for the last several years. They been to the playoffs for seven consecutive seasons. They managed to keep their core group together for quite sometime. Now the main core have gotten older and the NBA landscape has changed quite a bit. While the NBA have progressed mostly on the offensive end, the Grizzlies continued to hang on to their defense mantra. The problem with that is that the offense suffered for the last several seasons. The offense was by committee, however they ranked in the bottom five for 3% shooting and lack of balance on offense overall.

The front office need to address this issue in a better way. Retool the roster rather than do a complete overall. The likely scenario depending on how it works is that the Grizzlies could treadmill for a while as the likely to get younger and develop their talent for the sake of their future. It's the better route than a lengthy rebuild like how the Magic, Sixers, Lakers, and Kings are doing right now.

To Marc Gasol: Gasol is a good center for what he does. He's been a solid defender and rebounder until this season. He's learned to become a better three point shooter under Fizdale. Marc however has been a reluctant leader who defers to others and lacks a better sense of assertiveness on the floor. As much as I respect Marc for what he's done for the Grizzlies, I think at this juncture, change is necessary for the better of the franchise. Marc has value and can bring back some upcoming players and perhaps a pick or two.

To the free agents:

TA: You the Grindfather who started the Grit-N-Grind Era. 1st team all Defense. You took on the heavy assignments and make them earn their points: Keven Durant, Kawhi Leonard, LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, and Kobe Bryant. It was Bryant who said that you were the hardest defender he's ever faced and you earned his respect for it. You' also brought fierce aggressiveness and leadershipIt's possible you could come back on a vets minimum. However with your injuries in the last couple of seasons and the age factor, would it be worth the cost to bring you back? It pains me to say it's time to make better adjustments at the SG spot.

JMG: Green has been a solid PF for what he has done. He's proven capable of knocking down the 3 pointer at times, Provide energy and defense to the Grizzlies front line. Overall, I feel like he comes across like a player who provides energy and athleticism from off the bench. He will demand his far share of money likely around 12 to 15 million a season. Is Green worth the money? I say no.

VC; The guy has been in the league about 20 years. He stepped in for Parsons as he was in and out the lineup and eventually listed out for the season. He's been a great mentor to the young talent on the roster. VC went beyond his duty to play solid minutes at the SF position. After three years, I think it's time to move on from VC.


Zbo: I believe when someone mentions a player on the Grizzlies, I think Zach Randolph is the first name that pops up. This is a guy who was a couple of seasons removed from the 'JailBlazers" stigma that all appear to follow him for the rest of his days. Thxfully, he was traded to the Grizzlies where his life and career turned around for the better. He's made his mark around the Memphis community in many ways. He's been a difference maker on the court and is part of the core four that help shape the Grit-N-Grind mantra. That said, I would prefer the Grizzlies keep him for a couple of seasons. How much salary will Zbo be willing to negotiate to stay in Memphis? All of that belong to the front office to answer.

Front Office:

God knows there are issues within the front office. Through questionable signings, draft picks, and perhaps trades. The FO needs to do better by doing right by the franchise and be wise with their salary cap space, talent, and ability to set some foundation to have a future to build upon. Chris Wallace signed an extension last summer. Given his track record to draft comes with critiques. At this point, they have also given up draft picks left and right in the last two seasons to get players who haven't even lasted between 1-2 seasons as Grizzlies. With the structure of the Western Conference as is, I can see this team joining the Dallas Mavericks and perhaps the L.A. Clippers as teams treading downward in the standings as teams like the Utah Jazz and MAYBE the Minnesota Timberwolves treading upward in the rankings sometime next season. The Grizzlies need to get their sht together beginning this offseason and make the tough decisions that will better the franchise for the sake of the future.
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Re: The Aftermath/Offseason Part 2 

Post#2 » by dark-child » Mon May 1, 2017 5:35 pm

The only issue I would have with the post is the trading of Marc Gasol, while it may be prudent it is unlikely to bring the type of value we truly need. IMO trading Marc and not getting a STAR in return also makes having the highest paid player Mike Conley Jr. on a team going nowhere look very ridiculous. I can stand to build around Mike & Marc, I just wish we had someone else calling the shots instead of our current front office. I agree with the assessment on the pending free agents and I really hate our current youth and with the exception of all people Wayne Seldon, I would want a do over on every last one of them. Troy Daniels is too one dimensional. James Ennis is okay but does not move the needle, Deyonta Davis = who really knows, Wade Baldwin = more talk than actual game, because if Andrew Harrison can out play you then what are you really? Jarrell Martin = if you hadn't played at LSU you my friend would not be a Grizzly. Therefore getting draft picks and have the current front office do the picking is a recipe for disaster. It is the equivalent of being married to Halle Berry but being a Eunuch.
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Re: The Aftermath/Offseason Part 2 

Post#3 » by dark-child » Mon May 1, 2017 5:50 pm

I did a quick check on potential Marc Gasol deals that could make sense. While deals with Orlando, and Denver would be very interesting. I came across a potential thought provoking deal. Would New Orleans consider Marc Gasol for D. Cousins and A. Ajinca? Could Mar Gasol possibly be the perfect fit next to Anthony Davis?
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Re: The Aftermath/Offseason Part 2 

Post#4 » by SD2042 » Mon May 1, 2017 10:21 pm

dark-child wrote:I did a quick check on potential Marc Gasol deals that could make sense. While deals with Orlando, and Denver would be very interesting. I came across a potential thought provoking deal. Would New Orleans consider Marc Gasol for D. Cousins and A. Ajinca? Could Mar Gasol possibly be the perfect fit next to Anthony Davis?



Orlando is definitely a team I would target given their situation. I would could see a deal involving Niko Vucevic and filler being the starting point of the deal. To Denver, I know they are intrigued with Nikola Jokic and are in line to retain Mason Plumlee. It's possible on Plumlee and Chandler as starting points for the Grizzlies.

As for NOLA, I think the up-tempo of their system will offset what Gasol brings to the table. Especially if it's for Cousins. Also I think NOLA appear committed to have Cousins and Davis being their dynamic duo for the remaining of their time as teammates.
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Re: The Aftermath/Offseason Part 2 

Post#5 » by BAMAFREAK » Wed May 3, 2017 7:34 pm

I look at it two ways if the FO is serious about winning a title and not just doing enough to keep fans coming:
1. we think Parsons returns fully healthy and fits with Conley and Gasol how we want him to. Then you have very very good players at PG and C with a perfect match of pass, shoot, and slash at the 3 in Parsons. Even though this first year has been a trainwreck, there is a reason we signed him for what he is. When healthy he is a perfect fit, a guy who can make plays for others while also scoring 15-18 a night, sorely needed this year. So, if we bank on him coming back healthy then the question is do you re sign some of our 4 FAs or let them walk and use that money elsewhere? As bad as it would suck, I say we let VC and ZBo walk. See if JAM takes a deal, if not, let him walk(tough for me to say being from Montgomery and a Bama grad) then re sign TA for a year or two. Then we have an all around PG, defending SG who doesnt score much, a wing that can do it all at an above average level(assuming he is healthy), and an elite scoring C. We need a hard nosed PF and there is one on the market, and it would be my dream to sign him(although highly unlikely). Enter Paul Milsap. A bulldog who can do it all and fits the Memphis grind as well as anybody. Do what you have to to sign him and you are set with the starters. Depth, hmm, cross your fingers and hope Baldwin, Davis, etc develop.
Or you re sign JAM and sign a SG who can score like maybe KCP from Detroit.

2. Complete rebuild around Conley. Let everyone walk unless you can get a deal done with JAM. Offer Gasol to Boston for the Nets first and either Crowder or Bradley. They need a big man who can shoot to keep the paint open for IT while also getting rebounds and allowing Horford to play the 4 4/5. They have a prime window to compete with the roster they have so Fultz or Ball wont help them as much as Gasol. Any deal fro Marc has to bring back a high pick and no one else in the high lottery is looking for a 32 year old C. Unless Phoenix thinks they are ready to compete with Bledsoe, Booker, Chriss, etc.
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Re: The Aftermath/Offseason Part 2 

Post#6 » by dalton749 » Wed May 10, 2017 7:44 am

Marc to Toronto for valanciunas/Powell/nogueria
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Re: The Aftermath/Offseason Part 2 

Post#7 » by dark-child » Wed May 10, 2017 1:27 pm

dalton749 wrote:Marc to Toronto for valanciunas/Powell/nogueria

NOPE :nonono:

These were the pennies on the dollar moves, WE should not be interested in. A top three center in the league has more value than this.
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Re: The Aftermath/Offseason Part 2 

Post#8 » by SD2042 » Thu May 11, 2017 2:19 am

dark-child wrote:
dalton749 wrote:Marc to Toronto for valanciunas/Powell/nogueria

NOPE :nonono:

These were the pennies on the dollar moves, WE should not be interested in. A top three center in the league has more value than this.



For some reason, every time Gasol gets put into a trade scenario, Valanciunas name always pops up. No disrespect to JV, but he isn't the player that best fit the Grizzlies in terms of defense identity and doesn't bring enough offensive output to the table.
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Re: The Aftermath/Offseason Part 2 

Post#9 » by retrobro90 » Wed May 17, 2017 8:05 am

Thunder fan here. What are grizz feelings on a trade involving Adams and Gasol?
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Re: The Aftermath/Offseason Part 2 

Post#10 » by dark-child » Wed May 17, 2017 1:10 pm

retrobro90 wrote:Thunder fan here. What are grizz feelings on a trade involving Adams and Gasol?


While Adams is a good player with a lot of heart, he would not do anything for Memphis as a replacement for Marc Gasol other than being younger. Furthermore a trade between the two teams just doesn't feel right. I am not saying that we hate OKC but we are not sending Christmas cards or well wishes your way either.
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Re: The Aftermath/Offseason Part 2 

Post#11 » by VCfor3 » Wed May 17, 2017 6:53 pm

I think we likely try to resign all of our free agents in some capacity due purely to salary constraints aiming for short deals except with Green. If we renounce all of our free agents we only have 8m in cap. Roughly the same amount as the MLE we get if we are over the cap. It costs Pera money, but if we don't sign our free agents we get nothing in return to replace them short of a sign and trade netting us an exception. Now if BKN wants to take Parsons on along with some of our youth/2nds...
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Re: The Aftermath/Offseason Part 2 

Post#12 » by MemphisX » Fri May 26, 2017 5:52 pm

Marc Gasol/Brandan Wright/Wade Baldwin for Nikola Vucevic/Evan Fournier/Mario Hezonja

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