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LAC/MEM/CAVS Trade 

Post#1 » by Zordor » Sat Nov 15, 2014 6:18 pm

MEM OUT:
Koufus
Prince
Calathes

LAC OUT:
Matt Barnes
JJ Reddick
CJ Wilcox

CAVS OUT:
Waiters
Thompson
Harris
Admundson

MEM IN:
Thompson
Harris
Wilcox
Admundson

LAC IN:
Waiters
Prince

CAVS IN:
Koufus
Reddick
Barnes
Calathes


Reasons:

Memphis:
They get a solid Bigman to put back in their rotation in Tristan Thompson after trading Koufus here, also they add CJ Wilcox who is still an unknown talent, but he was a good perimeter shooter in college and that could transfer as well to the pros, also they get Joe Harris who was basically a 3 point specialist with some slashing ability at UVA , and has shown he can knock down the deep ball even coming off the bench already this season, this gives the grizzles two guys with good perimeter shooting which the grizzlies are lacking, while also adding Thompson who is a solid bigman. Admundson is a filler in this trade and his low contract expires at season's end (or we waive him and sign who we want this season).

Clippers:
This may not seem obvious why they would make this trade other than one word. Defense. Prince may have lost his touch on the offensive side of the ball and may not be as quick as he was, but he is still a good defender and so is waiters (well better than reddick atleast). Waiters is young and explosive still where reddick and crawford are both older and are catch and shoot guys. Whether they have Waiters starting or coming off the bench as a 6th man, he could be a valuable asset to this team both offensively and defensively. Also Prince's contract comes up this year allowing a lot of money to come off the books for the clippers at the end of the season, setting them up nicely for this year's free agency. Also leaves the Clippers with a 14 man roster and they could sign any number of guys such as ray allen, jordan crawford, etc

CAVS:
The most obvious of all of them why they would do this trade being that they get BOTH reddick who is a great catch and shoot piece that spreads the offensive allowing easier offensive play for both Lebron and Irving, while also getting Koufus who is a lockdown Center who can bring great defense in the post and is not bad on the other side of the ball either down in the post, matt barnes is kind of a filler, but it allows them to also get a veteran wing player who has been a journeyman most his career and who can play with and for just about anybody. As well they get Calathes who is a decent backup point guard and we arent using him a lot in memphis right now and he is a lot better than cherry and dellanedova who they have backing up the guard positions right now.
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Re: LAC/MEM/CAVS Trade 

Post#2 » by jman3134 » Sat Nov 15, 2014 9:18 pm

I would rather stick with what we have here. How does Thompson make us any better? Wilcox will not crack the rotation and Joe Harris is a shooter we could get for a better bargain. I see no reason for us to give up our backup center and PG for guys who won't likely crack the rotation.
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Re: LAC/MEM/CAVS Trade 

Post#3 » by Zordor » Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:56 am

I also considered cutting LAC totally out of the deal and just letting the CAVS find a spot up option like reddick later if they wanted it, and just do basically a koufus and pondexter for Thompson and Harris trade, memphis is looking at stretch 5s right now anyway, and so they get a stretch 5 as a solid bigman playing 6-7th man and we still have that open roster spot, so that leaves the door open for any number of guys : Ray allen (doubt they lure him)/Andray Blatche (if they want to get another pure 5 man)/ jordan crawford who is a great outside shooter/ (they want to get tyrus thomas and I have always wanted to see him go to the grizzlies but the man gets injured like nobodies business)/ Personally i want to bring back Luke Hankcock (having harris and hancock, both virginia natives and both killer 3 point specialists, i think they could be what gives us the edge off the bench to spread the floor, we might be giving up size inside not having koufus, but this would give us a young and deep bench rotation, dont have to give hancock or Harris many minutes a game, just split Q-Pon's , and give Prince about 10 less minutes a game, why they havent done this beats me, he is a good player 8-13 minutes a game, its a travesty to play him more than that, and carter should start and split the remaining minutes to thompson and harris) / some people will disagree, but Anthony Randolph wouldnt be a bad fit whether we make a trade or not/ Also Emeka Okafor and Jermaine O'Neal are older, but they could be good reserve bigmen

Here is how I personally would make the minutes distribution chart:
Conley (33) / Udrih (13) / Calathes (0)
Carter (20) / Lee (26) / Harris (8)
Allen (28) / Prince (12)/ Hancock (5)
Randolph (32) / Thompson (20)
Gasol (33)/Leur (10)
You can disagree with this assessment of course
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Re: LAC/MEM/CAVS Trade 

Post#4 » by Dynomike » Mon Nov 17, 2014 9:48 am

I'd rather stick with what we have. Move the trade around so we get Reddick and it intrigues me a bit.



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Re: LAC/MEM/CAVS Trade 

Post#5 » by Vinsanity_GOAT » Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:27 pm

No thanks, i'll gladly keep koufos over getting thompson. Having a skilled and fairly mobile 7-footer as a backup is invaluable. Besides, if you trade him away you're royally screwed if marc goes down at some point during the season. I know thompson is long and athletic, but i'm pretty sure opposing centers will be able to back him down easier than koufos and on offense you can't pass him the ball when he's in a crowd like you can with koufos. I know those are just two examples out of many, i could list more but in short i just prefer koufos.

As for the shooters, i don't see the point. I mean, if joerger wanted a young shooter he could just play adams.

I still say we need to trade prince for a backup pf and we're golden (if nobody's injured). As a pipe-dream i'd like to get gallinari since he might become available, you never know with denver's current situation. Something like pondexter, prince's expiring (and preferably 2 2nd rounders, but probably a 1st) for gallo. Gallo's value has probably dropped now because of his poor start so they might take it. Then you sign kenyon, i read in another thread the grizz were looking at him.

That would be a very flexible rotation and everyone's minutes are kept down. An instant scorer (lee) from the bench as well as udrih and gallo who can put up points. The minutes are just a basic estimate, it would obviously change a little depending on matchups.

conley 33 / udrih 15 / (calathes)
allen 24 / lee 24 / (adams)
vince 24 / gallo 24 / (maybe sign patrick cristopher after all, or whiteside for the center position)
zbo 33 / kenyon 15 / (stokes/ leuer)
gasol 33 / koufos 15
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Re: LAC/MEM/CAVS Trade 

Post#6 » by Zordor » Tue Nov 18, 2014 2:22 am

Vinsanity_GOAT wrote:No thanks, i'll gladly keep koufos over getting thompson. Having a skilled and fairly mobile 7-footer as a backup is invaluable. Besides, if you trade him away you're royally screwed if marc goes down at some point during the season. I know thompson is long and athletic, but i'm pretty sure opposing centers will be able to back him down easier than koufos and on offense you can't pass him the ball when he's in a crowd like you can with koufos. I know those are just two examples out of many, i could list more but in short i just prefer koufos.

As for the shooters, i don't see the point. I mean, if joerger wanted a young shooter he could just play adams.

I still say we need to trade prince for a backup pf and we're golden (if nobody's injured). As a pipe-dream i'd like to get gallinari since he might become available, you never know with denver's current situation. Something like pondexter, prince's expiring (and preferably 2 2nd rounders, but probably a 1st) for gallo. Gallo's value has probably dropped now because of his poor start so they might take it. Then you sign kenyon, i read in another thread the grizz were looking at him.

That would be a very flexible rotation and everyone's minutes are kept down. An instant scorer (lee) from the bench as well as udrih and gallo who can put up points. The minutes are just a basic estimate, it would obviously change a little depending on matchups.

conley 33 / udrih 15 / (calathes)
allen 24 / lee 24 / (adams)
vince 24 / gallo 24 / (maybe sign patrick cristopher after all, or whiteside for the center position)
zbo 33 / kenyon 15 / (stokes/ leuer)
gasol 33 / koufos 15


I actually had a discussion about this very thing earlier, cept some people were pointing to Chandler instead of Gallo, and making it a 3 team trade with the kings to blow up the nuggets roster and set them up for a rebuild.
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Re: LAC/MEM/CAVS Trade 

Post#7 » by Vinsanity_GOAT » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:09 pm

Zordor wrote:
Vinsanity_GOAT wrote:...


I actually had a discussion about this very thing earlier, cept some people were pointing to Chandler instead of Gallo, and making it a 3 team trade with the kings to blow up the nuggets roster and set them up for a rebuild.

Chandler is a decent player; he's athletic, can run the break, decent jumpshot, and so on. However, his shot selection is questionable and he turns the ball over too much. Which is why i prefer gallo: playmaking (handle, vision, passing), more well-rounded scorer and he has size to play as a stretch 4 at times. Now, of course the fact that gallo missed the entire 13-14 season combined with his 12mil/year is a big reason for concern. Whether or not gallo will be able to return to form physically is something the medical staff will have to decide on.

But in the end there's always the possibility that the grizz simply need prince's expiring to come off the books in order to re-sign gasol this offseason, i honestly don't know. I'm not an expert on the cap, cba and everything like that.
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Re: LAC/MEM/CAVS Trade 

Post#8 » by SD2042 » Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:02 pm

I thought I heard that the cap is going to be raise up after this season. I feel like this. The Grizzlies are doing well right now. I still think we need a SF who can play on both sides of the court and perhaps a scorer from off the bench in spite of the Grizzlies bench been pick it up as of late. If they can do these move, I believe the Grizzlies will go much further in the playoff race.
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Re: LAC/MEM/CAVS Trade 

Post#9 » by jefe » Fri Nov 21, 2014 1:18 pm

I don't know. Koufos is an incredibly valuable commodity - both in terms of what he brings to the court as a defensive presence on the interior and his contract. I don't think this deal is enough for me to move him, but I probably overvalue him FWIW.

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