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Randolph is the perfect front court mate for Thabeet. I cant wait for summer league.
Thabeet/Gasol
Randoph/Arthur
Gay/Warrick
Mayo/Jaric
Conley/Jaric
Last year Memphis had a hard time getting easy buckets. Randolph is good for 15-20 EASY points around the rim a night.
This is a low risk high reward move. Randolph expires after next year anyway.
Memphis cant collect draft picks forever. The team already has 3 top 10 lottery picks.
Thabeet/Gasol
Randoph/Arthur
Gay/Warrick
Mayo/Jaric
Conley/Jaric
Last year Memphis had a hard time getting easy buckets. Randolph is good for 15-20 EASY points around the rim a night.
This is a low risk high reward move. Randolph expires after next year anyway.
Memphis cant collect draft picks forever. The team already has 3 top 10 lottery picks.
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Jack wore plaid wrote:For any Griz fan that is in favor of getting Zach, give it a couple of games. You will hate him like Portland, NY, LA fans did. Yes he can score, yes he can rebound, but also....yes he is a cancer, yes he never passes, yes he plays no defense.
Actually most Blazer fans really liked him when he was here, then turned on him when he left. We were trying to trade him for RJ or Lewis.
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Do you realize you just traded #3 for #19 picks from 2001 draft?
Randolph has a similar contract situation than Gasol (coming from the same draft, both signed max contracts a the time their rookie deals expired), so all cap space freed from the Gasol dump is gone. The picks (Arthur and Carroll, if I'm not mistaken) were so high they could be bought if really needed. Only value Memphis got out of the trade is little brother Marc.
I fail to see how all this mess can be called "moving forward". "Running in circles" suits it better.
Randolph has a similar contract situation than Gasol (coming from the same draft, both signed max contracts a the time their rookie deals expired), so all cap space freed from the Gasol dump is gone. The picks (Arthur and Carroll, if I'm not mistaken) were so high they could be bought if really needed. Only value Memphis got out of the trade is little brother Marc.
I fail to see how all this mess can be called "moving forward". "Running in circles" suits it better.
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They got Mayo last year so trading Gasol and Miller and sending the team to the lottery paid off.
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B.S.
They could just have told both to take a year off. There's no need to trade assets for the sake of tanking.
They could just have told both to take a year off. There's no need to trade assets for the sake of tanking.
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DeMente wrote:B.S.
They could just have told both to take a year off. There's no need to trade assets for the sake of tanking.
So they were going to voluntarily not play for 82 games while Memphis played them 25 million to sit on bench. Yes that makes perfect sense.
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As much sense as trading them for non-players so you can tank the season.
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PrecociousNeoph wrote:For what it's worth, Z-Bo was actually good for us in NY, and I think any honest Knick fan will tell you the same. He never got into trouble off the court, and he was arguably our best player for a while. Now there will be moments where he just murders your offense by holding the ball and chucking, but when he does play within the offense, and to his credit he did more often than not, he is a low post monster. Defensively it's no secret that he's no stopper, but again in NY I can honestly say he at least competed on D. All in all he WILL give you many facepalm moments, but if he plays for you the way he did in NYC he is a net positive for the team.
He has his limitations as a player, but I always thought he gave what he could give to the Knicks, and I don't think the was a burden in the D'Antonio system at all. He has little lateral movement on D, and can't jump, but he gets his rebounds and can score from almost anywhere on the floor.
I kept on hearing all the cancer talk when he came to the Knicks, but I don't think he gave them any trouble. He was not a team leader, but he didn't give D'Antonio any grief and was not a negative influence on the team, even though he must have realized that Walsh was looking to trade him.
If you compare him to P. Gasol, he comes up short, especially in terms of defense and passing, but he will give you some guaranteed front court scoring and 9+ rebounds, which is not bad alongside limited offensive players like Gasol and Thabeet.
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Clipo ... I love that the basis of your reasoning is that David Lee is going to sign for 5 years, 50 mill. There is zero excuse for not getting more in this deal if you're Chris Wallace ... No 2nd round picks, No 1st round picks lottery protected, No Al Thornton, No Cash, No Nothing!!!!!! Just the honor of paying Zach Randolph 23 more mill than Q and still not making the playoffs. You can defend getting Zach Randolph, but you can't defend that trade. Not in a million years. You're a small market franchise, you need a young creative GM not the laziest most inept GM ever to have a job in the NBA.
These are the facts: he should have gotten more out of the Knicks in the Q for Darko deal ... hell, even if it was a lottery protected 1st round pick that they couldn't used for 6 years!!! Be creative and maximize deals!!!
These are the facts: he should have gotten more out of the Knicks in the Q for Darko deal ... hell, even if it was a lottery protected 1st round pick that they couldn't used for 6 years!!! Be creative and maximize deals!!!
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I agree with tlifeset. Before the draft I said that here is a team that has the #2 pick plus almost $20mil in cap space. There was an ocean of options and possibilities and the big question was which route they would take. So out of all this they end up with Hasheem Thabeet and Zach Randolph, plus a couple lower picks in Caroll and Young and pretty much all their cap space, save for enough for a backup pointguard, is used up.
Drafting Thabeet when they had Gasol, turning down what I'm sure were some good trade offers for the pick, actually taking on more salary to trade one expiring contract for another, with both players having no future plans with the team, plus giving up all together on one of the best crops of free agent power forwards in some time, and rushing in to to trade for a $16mil power forward from a team that needed to move him when there was no rush and instead they could have explored far more options, all was a chain of decidedly poor judgement, decision making, and total lack of knowledge in how to build a good NBA team.
I can only assume that it's their owner, who said he was going to be more hands on, that has instructed their GM to make these terrible moves. If Wallace did something like this on any other team he would be fired. I do like following the Grizzlies in this forum and really felt they had a strong chance to pull themselves back up to a playoff team. Now I don't think they have any hope as long as Michael Heisley is the owner.
Drafting Thabeet when they had Gasol, turning down what I'm sure were some good trade offers for the pick, actually taking on more salary to trade one expiring contract for another, with both players having no future plans with the team, plus giving up all together on one of the best crops of free agent power forwards in some time, and rushing in to to trade for a $16mil power forward from a team that needed to move him when there was no rush and instead they could have explored far more options, all was a chain of decidedly poor judgement, decision making, and total lack of knowledge in how to build a good NBA team.
I can only assume that it's their owner, who said he was going to be more hands on, that has instructed their GM to make these terrible moves. If Wallace did something like this on any other team he would be fired. I do like following the Grizzlies in this forum and really felt they had a strong chance to pull themselves back up to a playoff team. Now I don't think they have any hope as long as Michael Heisley is the owner.
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There's no disputing Randolph's talents and I've posted as such in this thread. The guy can put up stats. But stats never do tell the whole story. Like I also said it's now up to Lionel Hollins to get Randolph, Gay, and Mayo involved in a system where they can all do what they do best but still play team ball, which wins out over individual play every time.
The fact is that they ended up with Thabeet and Randolph for their chips of the #2 pick and $20mil in cap space. I'm not saying they aren't talented as I mentioned they have a very strong, big, and talented frontcourt. But I feel they sold themselves short and didn't maximize their assets. They already had Gasol and could have made a big upgrade at the pointguard position with the draft, and tried to get a bit younger free agent power forward that played better defense and was more team oriented, and if that didn't work out then they could have visited the Randolph option.
Another thing I posted in a different forum is that they also needed to add some excitement back to a team where the city had more or less abandoned them and attendance was awful, thus they lost huge amounts of money. Will Thabeet and Randolph sell more tickets and how many fans will be lining up to buy their jerseys?
The fact is that they ended up with Thabeet and Randolph for their chips of the #2 pick and $20mil in cap space. I'm not saying they aren't talented as I mentioned they have a very strong, big, and talented frontcourt. But I feel they sold themselves short and didn't maximize their assets. They already had Gasol and could have made a big upgrade at the pointguard position with the draft, and tried to get a bit younger free agent power forward that played better defense and was more team oriented, and if that didn't work out then they could have visited the Randolph option.
Another thing I posted in a different forum is that they also needed to add some excitement back to a team where the city had more or less abandoned them and attendance was awful, thus they lost huge amounts of money. Will Thabeet and Randolph sell more tickets and how many fans will be lining up to buy their jerseys?
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Don't believe the "Locker room cancer" tag. It's undeserved. Zach was well liked by his teammates and fans in LA. I've also heard people say he's lazy, maybe because of his appearance. That is false. The guy is a gym rat.
Yes, he's had offcourt issues, but I think his inflated contract is the main reason for the bashing he receives. If he were making mid-level money, I don't think you'd hear much criticism. And for what it's worth, if he would accept a bench role, I would take him back for the MLE.
Yes, he's had offcourt issues, but I think his inflated contract is the main reason for the bashing he receives. If he were making mid-level money, I don't think you'd hear much criticism. And for what it's worth, if he would accept a bench role, I would take him back for the MLE.
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Here is how I would break down the ZBo critisism
1. He's fat- FALSE- he's built the way he's built (a bit round) but he has kept in pretty good shape throughout his career.
2. He's a locker room cancer- for the most part FALSE- players generally have gotten along well with him... some have had an issue for the wa he plays on the court.
3. He holds the ball too long and stops offensive flow- TRUE- on the court this is by far my biggest critisism or Zach and probably the reason he has always put up numbers but not played on winning teams. His second year in the league, when he was first getting pt for Portland, he was an amazing garbage player. He never held the ball on offense and did most his work on the offensive glass. Too bad he didn't embrace that role.
4. Poor defender- TRUE- not much too say, ZBo's skills are on the offensive end. At least he's a good rebounder.
5. Off the court trouble- TRUE- it's been documented but he seems to be mellowing out a bit.
1. He's fat- FALSE- he's built the way he's built (a bit round) but he has kept in pretty good shape throughout his career.
2. He's a locker room cancer- for the most part FALSE- players generally have gotten along well with him... some have had an issue for the wa he plays on the court.
3. He holds the ball too long and stops offensive flow- TRUE- on the court this is by far my biggest critisism or Zach and probably the reason he has always put up numbers but not played on winning teams. His second year in the league, when he was first getting pt for Portland, he was an amazing garbage player. He never held the ball on offense and did most his work on the offensive glass. Too bad he didn't embrace that role.
4. Poor defender- TRUE- not much too say, ZBo's skills are on the offensive end. At least he's a good rebounder.
5. Off the court trouble- TRUE- it's been documented but he seems to be mellowing out a bit.
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Let's clarify the fact that the Grizz still will have $10mil in cap space when they waive Buckner and renounce Warrick.
This is not a cap busting move... I'm not super excited about having Randolph, but I am excited that this will be the first time that the Grizzlies have had a legitimate NBA level starter at all 5 positions.
This is not a cap busting move... I'm not super excited about having Randolph, but I am excited that this will be the first time that the Grizzlies have had a legitimate NBA level starter at all 5 positions.
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What good team has Randolph ever played for that he brought down?
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J_Era_3 wrote:UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:I don't understand this trade for you guys at all. Lee or Millsap would have been perfect and you get Randolph? Gross...
Definitely, you guys should have at least tried to dump Miles or Jaric's contract with QRich
I find the argument that subtracts QR's contract from ZBo's baffling. So Zach only cost $9million per year if you subtract what you were paying anyway? But you don't add in the $17million + you'll have to pay next year when QR's contract has ended.
You can't have it both ways -
I'm a grizzlies fan since the day the franchise was announced and believe me, between Stu Jackson and Heisley, no team has ever been cursed with so much stupidity in the FO. When you get raped by Sterling and Dunleavy .....
As to the new and improved Zach, wasn't he suspended twice last season? One was the sucker punch on Lou Amundson, not sure about the other.
I was really pleased for the team after the draft. Looked like a solid core of young talent, cap space to make move for a good vet presence for on-court and off .... jeeezuz
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bobobolas1 wrote:Here a memphis fan, thank you all people from other boards when you just come around to laugh.
We needed a PF, well, here's wot you got. a 20-10 man. now, the coach has to do what no coachs before could do with Zbo: give him goals and ambitions. what if it finnaly working out? why dont to give him a chance?
Maybe he has come to the town to tell OJ and the rest of our team what you DONT have to do!
I don't think anyone came here to laugh; we're here to commiserate with you. We sympathize - it could have happened to us.
It is jaw-droppingly horrible ...
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clipocketurs wrote:Say Memphis' 09-10 payroll is $44.7 million with Q-Rich and no PF.
1) Trade Q for Zach.
09-10 payroll - $52 million
2) Keep Q, sign Lee for $10 million per year.
09-10 payroll - $54.7 million
Zach $33.3 million (for 2 years) minus Q $8.7 million = $24.6 million for 2 years
Lee might cost $50 million for 5 years
By trading for Zach, Memphis saves $2.7 million in 09-10 and does not have to commit past 10-11.
--- Did you factor in that Lee or Millsap or Odom might all have been beneficial for your young guys, helped create some chemistry and bonding, be a unifying factor etc etc.
Come on - Zach's numbers come at the expense of the team. They don't help the team ...
Brace yourselves
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