Christmas GMAT: Discussion Thread

moss_is_1 · Post #761 » by **moss_is_1** » Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:32 pm

PG: Tony Parker / Nate Robinson / Delonte West
SG: Eric Gordon / Lance Stephenson
SF: Danilo Gallinari / Mike Dunleavy / Reggie Williams
PF: Thad Young / Jason Maxiell
C: Andrew Bynum / Jason Smith / Kwame Brown

everyones available...dont really want to break players down unless the value is too good to pass up...just want to talk deals, bored.

oquist@live.com

Karmaloop · Post #762 » by **Karmaloop** » Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:22 pm

PG: John Wall / Darren Collison
SG: Avery Bradley / Louis Williams / Ben Gordon
SF: Arron Afflalo / James Jones
PF: Carlos Boozer / Perry Jones III / John Henson
C: Emeka Okafor / Jonas Valanciunas / Slava Kravtsov

John Wall, Avery Bradley, and Jonas Valanciunas are all on the hard-to-get territory. Will take quite a bit too get those three. Feel free to target them in trades, but they're not going cheap. Outside of that, I'm looking to mix things up. Guess I'm going with a rebuilding approach, but I'm open to all kinds of offers. Louis Williams, Arron Afflalo, and Carlos Boozer are available for contenders. Ben Gordon and Emeka Okafor are LARGE expirings, so I can take on bad contracts if properly compensated.

SamBone · Post #763 » by **SamBone** » Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:59 pm

here is what the no talent Lakers look like

PG: Jru / A.Rivers
SG: G.Henderson / N.Young
SF: D.Green / Beasley / A.Gee / Copeland
PF: A.Bennett / Sullinger / L.Allen
C : R.Lopez / Gobert / Oden / Thabeet(ung)

untouchable, hard to get

Everyone else is available, icluding 2014 INDY 1st, 2014 MEM 1st, 2014 GS 1st (lotto protected)

Interested in what I can get for Austin Rivers

bringbackhoffa · Post #764 » by **bringbackhoffa** » Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:33 pm

Philly sits at

Monta/Calderon
Jr Smith/Foye
Klay/Webster
Varejao/Sheed
B Lopez/Wright/Diaw

Team currently has no identity just a mix of young/old, would perferably want to get younger

tr_rak@hotmail.com

sterncohen · Post #765 » by **sterncohen** » Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:50 pm

Philadelphia, sent you an offer this afternoon (Bucks, sterncohen@gmail.com)

HornetJail · Post #766 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:07 am

kfw322 @ gmailcom

New York Knicks

Kevin Garnett / Reggie Evans / Miles Plumlee
Chris Bosh / Thomas Robinson
Jeff Green / Jason Richardson / Corey Maggette
Ray Allen / Marcus Thornton / Alan Anderson
George Hill / Patrick Mills / Lorenzo Brown / Rodrigue Beaubois

Everyone's available but it'll take a lot to pry Bosh or Garnett from me. Particularly looking to deal Richardson, Green, Beaubois, Hill, Plumlee, and a fraction of my $12M cash for upgrades 1-3. I am not limited to the $75M cap since I used the taxpayer's MLE so I can take on some salary. No deadweight contracts unless there's a great player involved.

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Dallas Mavericks

Cody Zeller / Tyler Zeller / Nick Collison
James McAdoo / Byron Mullens / Channing Frye
Dorell Wright / Trevor Ariza / Jeffery Taylor
Chase Budinger / Ramon Sessions / Anthony Morrow / Shannon Brown (UNG)
Raymond Felton / DJ Augustin / Myck Kabongo

Still have cap space. Willing to take on salary for a legit first option. I have picks and $5M in cash to offer, along with the rights to future top 5 (in real-life) pick Steven Adams, who will come at an amazing price after falling all the way to 28 in this draft.

SamBone · Post #767 » by **SamBone** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:12 am

well with trading over in 10 days, when do we need to be within roster limits?

Post #768 » by **MadNESS** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:11 am

SamBone wrote:looking over the roster and I see lots of people listinhg the min signings at above the min, people PLEASE realize that if you are over the cap, the vet min value is $884,293, even if the guy has been in league for 10 years, his cap hit and trade value is the 2 year min value. If you are under cap you can sign a "min" for the actual salary, but over cap teams only pay the player $884,293. I see lots of teams listing min players at different salaries

Then explain Rashard Lewis's real life contract?

HornetJail · Post #769 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:17 am

bness888 wrote:
SamBone wrote:looking over the roster and I see lots of people listinhg the min signings at above the min, people PLEASE realize that if you are over the cap, the vet min value is $884,293, even if the guy has been in league for 10 years, his cap hit and trade value is the 2 year min value. If you are under cap you can sign a "min" for the actual salary, but over cap teams only pay the player $884,293. I see lots of teams listing min players at different salaries

Then explain Rashard Lewis's real life contract?

The $1M+ number is the actual amount he's paid. Only ~880k counts toward the team's cap space.

Post #770 » by **MadNESS** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:41 am

CHA_77_Bobcats wrote:
bness888 wrote:
SamBone wrote:looking over the roster and I see lots of people listinhg the min signings at above the min, people PLEASE realize that if you are over the cap, the vet min value is $884,293, even if the guy has been in league for 10 years, his cap hit and trade value is the 2 year min value. If you are under cap you can sign a "min" for the actual salary, but over cap teams only pay the player $884,293. I see lots of teams listing min players at different salaries

Then explain Rashard Lewis's real life contract?

The $1M+ number is the actual amount he's paid. Only ~880k counts toward the team's cap space.

Not according to NBA story tellers contracts.
Jamison's and Rasheed's are like that, but Lewis's isn't. I think it depends on what the team pay's.

HornetJail · Post #771 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:52 am

Didn't realize Lewis had signed a two-year minimum deal. What I said earlier only goes for 1-year min deals. Two-year minimum deals use the [x]-year veteran min values.

Post #772 » by **MadNESS** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:10 am

CHA_77_Bobcats wrote:Didn't realize Lewis had signed a two-year minimum deal. What I said earlier only goes for 1-year min deals. Two-year minimum deals use the [x]-year veteran min values.

This is nice to know now

I would have signed everyone to two years contracts then.

Rip / Lewis / Delino ect.

I needed to add salary, not minimum salary.

HornetJail · Post #773 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:13 am

bness888 wrote:
CHA_77_Bobcats wrote:Didn't realize Lewis had signed a two-year minimum deal. What I said earlier only goes for 1-year min deals. Two-year minimum deals use the [x]-year veteran min values.

This is nice to know now

I would have signed everyone to two years contracts then.

Rip / Lewis / Delino ect.

I needed to add salary, not minimum salary.

Could someone verify this for me before the other 29 teams try to bring Hakeem out of retirement to add 1.4M to their payrolls? I'm not 100% sure I'm right but I think that's how it works.

Post #774 » by **MadNESS** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:02 am

I think there's a difference
One is the league minimum
And
One is the veterans minimum

I'm wanting to pay my guys the veterans minimum not the league minimum

lukekarts · Post #775 » by **lukekarts** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:05 am

Ok... I'll try to clarify as simply as I can.

An NBA team signing a player to a minimum contract (vet min, league min), is obliged to pay that team a set salary. This used to be $854k, it is now $884k. This is the value used for 'outgoing' trade salaries.

Now, where there is a discrepancy is that depending on the number of years a player has been in the league, the league will pay them an additional amount. So an 8 year veteran will be earning $1.4m, $500k of which is paid by the league, the remaining $884k is paid by the team.

Salary websites list the actual amount a player is being paid.

In this game, we simply list the $884k salary a player is paid by the team, because that is all we use for trade purposes

When a player has been in the NBA for three or more seasons, and is playing under a one-year, ten-day or rest-of-season contract, the league reimburses the team for part of his salary -- any amount above the minimum salary level for a two-year veteran. For example, in 2011-12 the minimum salary for a two-year veteran is $854,389, so for a ten-year veteran, with a minimum salary of $1,352,181, the league would reimburse the team $497,792. Only the two-year minimum salary is included in the team salary, not the player's full salary. They do this so teams won't shy away from signing older veterans simply because they are more expensive than younger veterans.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q16

Post #776 » by **MadNESS** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:54 pm

So what about the two year thing?
And what about Rashard Lewis real life deal?

If the two year thing applies, I'd like to change my guys to two year deal's (the ones who I made official offers to, not the ones I bid on)

lukekarts · Post #777 » by **lukekarts** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:07 pm

bness888 wrote:So what about the two year thing?
And what about Rashard Lewis real life deal?

If the two year thing applies, I'd like to change my guys to two year deal's (the ones who I made official offers to, not the ones I bid on)

Rashard Lewis is being paid the vet min by Heat. So if they were to trade him, he'd count as $854k outgoing salary, or $884k in his second year.

The money he takes home - $1,352,181; then $1,399,507, is the $854k plus the $400k+ contribution from the league. If you look at the scale in the link I sent, it's all explained.

Post #778 » by **The J Rocka** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:54 pm

KINGS

Thompson/Willie Cauley-Stein/Hayes
Favors/Ma. Williams/Randolph
Kidd-Gilchrist/Salmons/Outlaw
Miles/Wilcox/Fournier
Walker/Jimmer/Cole

Pretty much decided to lay low in 2013 FA and make my push in 2014. I'll have over 30 mil in capspace and another high lotto pick (if the draft is somewhat realistic). Large exp in Marvin Williams & John Salmons (only 1 mil guaranteed in 2014) + picks + youth.

Goal is to get a good young SG.

jaronschmidt@yahoo.com

DerrickNoah · Post #779 » by **DerrickNoah** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:52 pm

Pacer Rotation
PG: Kyle Lowry / Kirk Hinrich / Chris Duhon
SG: Thabo Sefelosha / Dahntay Jones
SF: Luol Deng / Shane Battier
PF: Carlos Boozer / Chris Kaman
C: Tim Duncan / Zaza Pachulia / Aaron Gray

Grizzlies rotation
PG: Steve Nash / Jarett Jack
SG: Joe Johnson / Marco Belinelli
SF: Gerald Wallace / Kyle Singler / PJ Tucker
PF: Dirk Nowitzki / Andrea Bargnani / Jared Jefferies
C: Joakim Noah / Andris Biedrins

Always making moves.

carl.killian@hotmail.com

Karmaloop · Post #780 » by **Karmaloop** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:09 pm

PG: John Wall / Darren Collison
SG: Avery Bradley / Louis Williams / Ben Gordon
SF: Arron Afflalo / Gerald Green / James Jones
PF: Emeka Okafor / Perry Jones III / John Henson
C: Kendrick Perkins / Jonas Valanciunas / Slava Kravtsov

Like before, Wall/Bradley/Jonas are all on the near untouchable list. It'll take a TON to get them.

Gerald Green, James Jones, and Slava Krastov can be had for an expiring contract and some cash.

Louis Williams can be had for an expiring contract and a future pick and/or intriguing prospect.

Arron Afflalo needs a pretty good piece in return. Looking for the best singular piece in return. Don't want a collection of assets. Kendrick Perkins can be had for an expiring, picks, prospects, and/or cash. Both need to be on contenders immediately.