All-Time No MVP Draft - Discussion Thread

[Timmaytime]

Wade / Payton says hello. Though they probably aren't as good a fit.

Frazier and Ray also say hi!

Manu and Pierce would like to say:

Pierce is a forward tho, doesn't count

[DroppinDimes]

Frazier and Ray also say hi!

Manu and Pierce would like to say:

Pierce is a forward tho, doesn't count

Yeah I'm just talking duos....

[Snakebites]

Yeah, it's a nice duo but nothing to freak out about

I probably shy away from Miller now since he usually get's killed for his defense in voting.

Wade / Payton says hello. Though they probably aren't as good a fit.

Frazier and Ray also say hi!

Frazier/Ray is close.

Wade/Payton is certainly at or above that level talent-wise but I'm not a big fan of the fit there. Its not even really just about spacing either. They overlap a lot in terms of where they like to score and its tough imagining getting the most out of them with the other there.

[DroppinDimes]

Not sure what Goober is going to do but my goodness, I'm stressing about my next pick.

[Timmaytime]

Wade / Payton says hello. Though they probably aren't as good a fit.

Frazier and Ray also say hi!

Frazier/Ray is close.

Wade/Payton is certainly at or above that level talent-wise but I'm not a big fan of the fit there. Its not even really just about spacing either. They overlap a lot in terms of where they like to score and its tough imagining getting the most out of them with the other there.

Yeah, Frazier is above West defensively but clearly worse offensively. Ray/Reggie are about equal, I actually think Ray peaked higher, but it really depends on what you need on your team. Reggie is the best off-ball player to ever play, Ray can be a bit more of a playmaker.

West/Miller are also two of the most clutch guys ever and have some of the best intangibles

[damecurry]

I dunno, something in my gut tells me the team that builds a dominant perimeter and is able to scrape together a decent front court taking advantage of the depth at PF and the parity among second tier centers is going to take this.

I may be wrong though. It happens a lot.

I agree that West/Miller isn't gamebreaking. He's certainly well positioned though.

Yeah, it's a nice duo but nothing to freak out about

I probably shy away from Miller now since he usually get's killed for his defense in voting.

Wade / Payton says hello. Though they probably aren't as good a fit.

WOW, payton and russ of the board already. I... did not see that coming. People really are just throwing FGA to the wind and drafting BPA in this one, which I guess makes sense but still it's surprising to see certain super-low FGA guys still there while guys like westbrook and baylor are gone. This is a very different kind of draft than what is usually done.

[goober]

I know one pick but i'm stressing on the other

[Timmaytime]

Not sure what Goober is going to do but my goodness, I'm stressing about my next pick.

Don't take my guy lol

[Timmaytime]

:-? I know one pick but i'm stressing on the other

you don't have two, it's ABBAABBA

[Laimbeer]

Not sure what Goober is going to do but my goodness, I'm stressing about my next pick.

I'm torn by some guys still being out there I didn't expect. I'm a ways away, but I'm pretty sure there will be some nice choices.

[goober]

Well that makes this easier!

[8on]

Wade / Payton says hello. Though they probably aren't as good a fit.

Frazier and Ray also say hi!

Frazier/Ray is close.

Wade/Payton is certainly at or above that level talent-wise but I'm not a big fan of the fit there. Its not even really just about spacing either. They overlap a lot in terms of where they like to score and its tough imagining getting the most out of them with the other there.

Wade has shown an ability in Chicago to step back behind the three point line more so if other guys want to stay in the midrange. I think it's fine, as long as I surround them with a little more spacing. (Also, Wade/LeBron worked in Miami.)

[Timmaytime]

Is Janmagn around? It's getting late in Germany, hopefully he'll leave a list

[Timmaytime]

Well that makes this easier!

nice pick, AK47/Ewing is nasty defensively

[DroppinDimes]

:-? I know one pick but i'm stressing on the other

you don't have two, it's ABBAABBA

The draft thread is throwing me off then. It has me starting round 3

[Timmaytime]

:-? I know one pick but i'm stressing on the other

you don't have two, it's ABBAABBA

The draft thread is throwing me off then. It has me starting round 3

you do!

[damecurry]

Frazier and Ray also say hi!

Frazier/Ray is close.

Wade/Payton is certainly at or above that level talent-wise but I'm not a big fan of the fit there. Its not even really just about spacing either. They overlap a lot in terms of where they like to score and its tough imagining getting the most out of them with the other there.

Wade has shown an ability in Chicago to step back behind the three point line more so if other guys want to stay in the midrange. I think it's fine, as long as I surround them with a little more spacing. (Also, Wade/LeBron worked in Miami.)

uh... not really, he's shooting 32% on less than 3 attempts, not really anything special, and I don't see what that has to do with the wade you're taking in this game.... In any case it's not just spacing, both of those guys are best with the ball in their hand, driving and creating. Later wade certainly proved an ability to work with Lebron so I don't think it's disastrous or anything but I certainly wouldn't call it an ideal fit personally.

[DroppinDimes]

you don't have two, it's ABBAABBA

The draft thread is throwing me off then. It has me starting round 3

you do!

Geez, I thought you quoted me. My bad

[Snakebites]

Frazier and Ray also say hi!

Frazier/Ray is close.

Wade/Payton is certainly at or above that level talent-wise but I'm not a big fan of the fit there. Its not even really just about spacing either. They overlap a lot in terms of where they like to score and its tough imagining getting the most out of them with the other there.

Yeah, Frazier is above West defensively but clearly worse offensively. Ray/Reggie are about equal, I actually think Ray peaked higher, but it really depends on what you need on your team. Reggie is the best off-ball player to ever play, Ray can be a bit more of a playmaker.

West/Miller are also two of the most clutch guys ever and have some of the best intangibles

I think Ray Allen is a touch better than Reggie at his peak in terms of overall skill.

When you factor in FGA it tips things the other way though. Reggie has years in the 12-14 FGA range that are clearly superior to anything Ray did at that volume.

[DroppinDimes]

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