3 Degrees of Frustration - Discussion

damecurry · Post #101 » by **damecurry** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:28 pm

Timmaytime wrote:weirdly enough that pick is exactly what I wanted from you Laimbeer

About to be you.

damecurry · Post #102 » by **damecurry** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:30 pm

MadNESS wrote:
damecurry wrote:Oh God, this is tough. Do I make the obvious pick while I have the chance and get an awesome duo but one that I sort of question the fit of while using up my MVP card and a ton of FGAs? Or do I take a bit of a bunt on talent to save both of those things? Is that worth the risk? No biggie it's not like I only have 10 minutes to decide all this! Agh!

Take the obvious choice

There's an alternative strategy that, depending on who continues to slip, might have been the smart way to go, but it would've been risky. I'm happy getting CP3 and MJ, that's an insane 2-way duo, just sad I can't take any more MVPs now, lol.

Post #103 » by **Fadeaway_J** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:33 pm

I didn't see another option there to be honest.

damecurry · Post #104 » by **damecurry** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:42 pm

Fadeaway_J wrote:Didn't really want to tee dame up like that but both of my best options would have led in that direction. Good to get Jimmy G. Buckets in his peak season at a very reasonable 16.5 FGA.

Jimmy's had a really underrated season this year. The Bulls suck so that kind of clouds it but he's had career highs in like every metric and base stat, still playing awesome D and really cranked up his offensive production... again... despite having a poor supporting cast to help him, very impressive.

damecurry · Post #105 » by **damecurry** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:44 pm

Fadeaway_J wrote:I didn't see another option there to be honest.

The alternative was Timmay's pick. CP3+Wade with my MVP card still on the table and a few more FGA to play around with than MJ gives me... idk if one of a few big-men are available to me in the 3rd and I can't take them cause of the mvp restriction I may regret not taking Wade here... but I love MJ and think he pairs better with CP3 so I'm happy in the end.

Post #106 » by **Fadeaway_J** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:45 pm

damecurry wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:Didn't really want to tee dame up like that but both of my best options would have led in that direction. Good to get Jimmy G. Buckets in his peak season at a very reasonable 16.5 FGA.

Jimmy's had a really underrated season this year. The Bulls suck so that kind of clouds it but he's had career highs in like every metric and base stat, still playing awesome D and really cranked up his offensive production... again... despite having a poor supporting cast to help him, very impressive.

He's really stepped forward as a playmaker in particular the last couple seasons. The 2014-15 version that we normally use doesn't capture that aspect of his development.

Laimbeer · Post #107 » by **Laimbeer** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:45 pm

Ugh. A couple of upper crust players gone just like that. Waiting may have been a mistake on my part.

damecurry · Post #108 » by **damecurry** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:49 pm

So, just to be clear, Alonzo Mourning is still available right? As that was an invalid pick? Hate to name-drop like that but it seems necessary.

Laimbeer · Post #109 » by **Laimbeer** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:50 pm

damecurry wrote:So, just to be clear, Alonzo Mourning is still available right? As that was an invalid pick? Hate to name-drop like that but it seems necessary.

He is available.

wackbone · Post #110 » by **wackbone** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:50 pm

damecurry wrote:So, just to be clear, Alonzo Mourning is still available right? As that was an invalid pick? Hate to name-drop like that but it seems necessary.

I am pretty sure. He is one of the guys I am looking at here.

Post #111 » by **Fadeaway_J** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:56 pm

Spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j-hloeEctaztq4b1FjtCxrl7vI5pXyqvZTJVsT5x3vQ/edit?usp=sharing

Laimbeer · Post #112 » by **Laimbeer** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:57 pm

Dwight and Wade is a ridiculously good non-MVP pair.

Post #113 » by **Timmaytime** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:58 pm

Laimbeer wrote:Dwight and Wade is a ridiculously good non-MVP pair.

didn't consider it at first cause I thought Wade won in '06 for whatever asinine reason

wackbone · Post #114 » by **wackbone** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:11 pm

Needed to save some FGA. Big Ben was by far the best value available to me with the Cavs/Heat.

8on · Post #115 » by **8on** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:15 pm

3 degrees of frustration was a very appropriate name.

For future versions of this, the term "same franchise" needs to be defined in the rules. Obviously, I'm the first time victim of this very strange definition of the term, but just in case new people think the same thing I thought, future commissioners absolutely have to define it in the rules. I don't want anyone else to be in my position in the future. The second overall pick, for crying out loud............thank God I haven't thrown a chair. :banghead:

Post #116 » by **Fadeaway_J** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:18 pm

dantley4prez wrote:3 degrees of frustration was a very appropriate name.

For future versions of this, the term "same franchise" needs to be defined in the rules. Obviously, I'm the first time victim of this very strange definition of the term, but just in case new people think the same thing I thought, future commissioners absolutely have to define it in the rules. I don't want anyone else to be in my position in the future. The second overall pick, for crying out loud............thank God I haven't thrown a chair.

The precedent for the previous franchise-linking drafts was using Basketball Reference.

8on · Post #117 » by **8on** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:20 pm

Fadeaway_J wrote:
dantley4prez wrote:3 degrees of frustration was a very appropriate name.

For future versions of this, the term "same franchise" needs to be defined in the rules. Obviously, I'm the first time victim of this very strange definition of the term, but just in case new people think the same thing I thought, future commissioners absolutely have to define it in the rules. I don't want anyone else to be in my position in the future. The second overall pick, for crying out loud............thank God I haven't thrown a chair.

The precedent for the previous franchise-linking drafts was using Basketball Reference.

Hoopla and I both went from Kevin Durant to Patrick's Ewing plenty of times. Nobody ever said I couldn't do that. This is a nightmarish situation that I don't want anyone else to have to endure. Surely you can understand the need for clarity.......right?

Laimbeer · Post #118 » by **Laimbeer** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:22 pm

dantley4prez wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:
dantley4prez wrote:3 degrees of frustration was a very appropriate name.

For future versions of this, the term "same franchise" needs to be defined in the rules. Obviously, I'm the first time victim of this very strange definition of the term, but just in case new people think the same thing I thought, future commissioners absolutely have to define it in the rules. I don't want anyone else to be in my position in the future. The second overall pick, for crying out loud............thank God I haven't thrown a chair.

The precedent for the previous franchise-linking drafts was using Basketball Reference.

Hoopla and I both went from Kevin Durant to Patrick's Ewing plenty of times. Nobody ever said I couldn't do that. This is a nightmarish situation that I don't want anyone else to have to endure. Surely you can understand the need for clarity.......right?

That's because they're listed under the same franchise at BR.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/OKC/players.html

Zo and Paul are not.

8on · Post #119 » by **8on** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:23 pm

Laimbeer wrote:
dantley4prez wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:The precedent for the previous franchise-linking drafts was using Basketball Reference.

Hoopla and I both went from Kevin Durant to Patrick's Ewing plenty of times. Nobody ever said I couldn't do that. This is a nightmarish situation that I don't want anyone else to have to endure. Surely you can understand the need for clarity.......right?

That's because they're listed under the same franchise at BR.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/OKC/players.html

Zo and Paul are not.

I never used basketball-reference for this. I used my brain. You see the problem? Other people might do the same thing.

Post #120 » by **Fadeaway_J** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:25 pm

dantley4prez wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:
dantley4prez wrote:3 degrees of frustration was a very appropriate name.

For future versions of this, the term "same franchise" needs to be defined in the rules. Obviously, I'm the first time victim of this very strange definition of the term, but just in case new people think the same thing I thought, future commissioners absolutely have to define it in the rules. I don't want anyone else to be in my position in the future. The second overall pick, for crying out loud............thank God I haven't thrown a chair.

The precedent for the previous franchise-linking drafts was using Basketball Reference.

Hoopla and I both went from Kevin Durant to Patrick's Ewing plenty of times. Nobody ever said I couldn't do that. This is a nightmarish situation that I don't want anyone else to have to endure. Surely you can understand the need for clarity.......right?

It might be confusing intuitively (I still don't understand why the NBA allowed the current Charlotte Hornets to take all the records from the previous iteration that had nothing to do with them), but again, the source we're using is fairly unambiguous on the matter.