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Re: True Shooting Percentage =/= Offensive Efficiency

Posted: Tue Jan 4, 2011 5:52 pm
by Nivek
penbeast0 wrote:Oddly enough, I haven't noticed anecdotally (ie. without looking analytically at it) is any indication that efficiency really does drop as usage increases; instead I've looked for that and not seen it. Maybe it's because when you get a big increase in usage (as opposed to small, incremental ones) it's a result of players taking on a different role . . . maybe getting more isolations or plays run for them instead of taking the leftover shots where you don't get the ball until it's shoot or shot clock time?

Has anyone looked at this? Are there patterns that have developed and what kind of hypotheses are supported by them?


It's been studied by the guys at APBRmetrics. There are lots of good links in Neil Paine's article using the effect to analyze the 1995 Rockets -- http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=5500.

Re: True Shooting Percentage =/= Offensive Efficiency

Posted: Wed Jan 5, 2011 12:41 am
by Tommy Sneakers
TS% is probably the best single stat for offensive efficiency, but many people rely on it too much. They think that it is such a good indicator of efficiency that other stats get completely ignored.

Re: True Shooting Percentage =/= Offensive Efficiency

Posted: Wed Jan 5, 2011 3:44 am
by nonemus
Tommy Sneakers wrote:TS% is probably the best single stat for offensive efficiency, but many people rely on it too much. They think that it is such a good indicator of efficiency that other stats get completely ignored.


What other stats should be considered when talking about scoring efficiency?

Re: True Shooting Percentage =/= Offensive Efficiency

Posted: Wed Jan 5, 2011 4:04 pm
by Vinsanity420
nonemus wrote:
Tommy Sneakers wrote:TS% is probably the best single stat for offensive efficiency, but many people rely on it too much. They think that it is such a good indicator of efficiency that other stats get completely ignored.


What other stats should be considered when talking about scoring efficiency?


If you're not a big fan of including the FT's like it's done in TS%, eFG% is a good stat.

Re: True Shooting Percentage =/= Offensive Efficiency

Posted: Fri Jan 7, 2011 10:12 pm
by Nivek
Tommy Sneakers wrote:TS% is probably the best single stat for offensive efficiency, but many people rely on it too much. They think that it is such a good indicator of efficiency that other stats get completely ignored.


I think the best stat for offensive efficiency is Dean Oliver's individual offensive rating -- points produced per 100 individual possessions. It incorporates shooting efficiency, assists, offensive rebounds and turnovers. When I want a summary number for efficiency, I look at ortg. Then I start looking at the components -- efg (I want to know how a guy shoots from the floor), FT%, assists, offensive rebounding, turnovers, 3pt shooting, possession usage, etc. I actually don't use TS% much at all. I do agree that it's a bit overused.